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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 28,750
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    California progressives.


    California Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon shelved for the year SB562, which intends to establish a state single payer health care system, he’s been subject to mass protests and even death threats. The bill’s chief backers, including the California Nurses Association and the Bernie Sanders-affiliated Our Revolution, angrily point to Rendon as the main roadblock to truly universal health care.

    They’re completely wrong. What’s more, they know they’re wrong. They’re perfectly aware that SB562 is a shell bill that cannot become law without a ballot measure approved by voters. Rather than committing to raising the millions of dollars that would be needed to overcome special interests and pass that initiative, they would, apparently, rather deceive their supporters, hiding the realities of California’s woeful political structure in favor of a morality play designed to advance careers and aggrandize power.

    https://theintercept.com/2017/06/30/california-single-payer-organizers-are-deceiving-their-supporters-its-time-to-stop/
    California goes national!
    anyone remember how progressive democrats in Cali called for single payer when they knew it wouldn't pass under GOP control?
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 6,924
    JC, I count five original links about co-sponsoring the Single Payer Bill, and one re-post of another link you submitted a few weeks back, all in the span of one page. Can you dig up some more links please? I personally don't feel that I can wrap my head around a topic unless I see at least nine links with the exact same content. I'd also like a few more cynical remarks about how devious and deceptive everyone on Earth is to really let the message sink in.

    And when you're done all this, since you're taking requests, play Free Bird.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 9,457
    Quoting yourself is the new black.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,500
    benjs said:
    JC, I count five original links about co-sponsoring the Single Payer Bill, and one re-post of another link you submitted a few weeks back, all in the span of one page. Can you dig up some more links please? I personally don't feel that I can wrap my head around a topic unless I see at least nine links with the exact same content. I'd also like a few more cynical remarks about how devious and deceptive everyone on Earth is to really let the message sink in.

    And when you're done all this, since you're taking requests, play Free Bird.
    you can't count and you can't read or you're confused. Although I understand the confusion, I expect more from you. Have you had your coffee yet?
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 8,712
    Soooooo......

    What is the party's direction....what are there big ideas that the people want...and who are their leaders?

    Please tell me, cause I don't know / can't tell.  And it's a shame.  I'm not a fan of the party really, but unless the Repubs run against a sitting president (or he isnt in office anymore by the election time)...the Dems are my only hope to get out of this Trump disaster.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 28,750
    JC29856 said:
    benjs said:
    JC, I count five original links about co-sponsoring the Single Payer Bill, and one re-post of another link you submitted a few weeks back, all in the span of one page. Can you dig up some more links please? I personally don't feel that I can wrap my head around a topic unless I see at least nine links with the exact same content. I'd also like a few more cynical remarks about how devious and deceptive everyone on Earth is to really let the message sink in.

    And when you're done all this, since you're taking requests, play Free Bird.
    you can't count and you can't read or you're confused. Although I understand the confusion, I expect more from you. Have you had your coffee yet?
    Antifa is the worst at counting
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 6,924
    JC29856 said:
    litmus test

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/348651-kamala-harris-announces-she-will-co-sponsor-single-payer-health-insurance

    Kamala Harris announces she will co-sponsor single-payer healthcare


    single payer and Medicare for all are not synonymous!
    JC29856 said:
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/08/senator-kamala-harris-says-shell-support-a-single-payer-health-care-bill/

    Senator Kamala Harris said on Wednesday that she will co-sponsor Sen. Bernie Sanders’ anticipated single-payer health care bill. This makes Harris the first Senator to publicly announce support for the Medicare-for-all bill, which Sanders has said he’ll introduce in September. 

    fyi single payer is not the same as Medicare for all
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    California progressives.


    California Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon shelved for the year SB562, which intends to establish a state single payer health care system, he’s been subject to mass protests and even death threats. The bill’s chief backers, including the California Nurses Association and the Bernie Sanders-affiliated Our Revolution, angrily point to Rendon as the main roadblock to truly universal health care.

    They’re completely wrong. What’s more, they know they’re wrong. They’re perfectly aware that SB562 is a shell bill that cannot become law without a ballot measure approved by voters. Rather than committing to raising the millions of dollars that would be needed to overcome special interests and pass that initiative, they would, apparently, rather deceive their supporters, hiding the realities of California’s woeful political structure in favor of a morality play designed to advance careers and aggrandize power.

    https://theintercept.com/2017/06/30/california-single-payer-organizers-are-deceiving-their-supporters-its-time-to-stop/
    California goes national!
    anyone remember how progressive democrats in Cali called for single payer when they knew it wouldn't pass under GOP control?
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:

    What Killed Single-Payer In California?

    If single-payer can't pass with Democratic super-majorities in the Golden State, that raises serious questions about any national effort.


    California goes National
    JC29856 said:

    Bernie Sanders Knows His Medicare-For-All Bill Won't Pass. That's Not The Point

    http://www.npr.org/2017/08/11/542676994/bernie-sanders-knows-his-medicare-for-all-bill-wont-pass-thats-not-the-point

    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/325814-sanders-says-he-will-introduce-medicare-for-all-bill
    "Well, you know, it's a goal. In this Congress, we won't pass it," Welch said after the town hall. "But I think we have to do keep the goal out there, because we need in this country, like any industrialized country, a healthcare system that's affordable, accessible and universal."

    Sound familiar?
    JC29856 said:
    Bernie tried this in 2013, no co-sponsors then. It may have had a better chance at passing when Democrats had control over house and Senate for that short four month period under Obama. 

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/1782

    "co-sponsors, there are no fu(king co-sponsors"
    Is that enough evidence for you? You're right, I hadn't had my coffee - otherwise, I'd have seen that you posted seven times on the topic (not five). Who's confused?
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 4,006
    but but but.....

    Kamala Harris
    John Podesta
    Barack Obama
    Hillary Clinton
    Comet Pizza
    Antifa
    repeat
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 5,961
    I kind of miss Benghazi. 
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 4,006
    I kind of miss Benghazi. 
    the emails
    don't forget the emails
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 28,750
    I kind of miss Benghazi. 
    the emails
    don't forget the emails

    antifa is the new Benghazi/emails
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,500
    benjs said:
    JC29856 said:
    litmus test

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/348651-kamala-harris-announces-she-will-co-sponsor-single-payer-health-insurance

    Kamala Harris announces she will co-sponsor single-payer healthcare


    single payer and Medicare for all are not synonymous!
    JC29856 said:
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/08/senator-kamala-harris-says-shell-support-a-single-payer-health-care-bill/

    Senator Kamala Harris said on Wednesday that she will co-sponsor Sen. Bernie Sanders’ anticipated single-payer health care bill. This makes Harris the first Senator to publicly announce support for the Medicare-for-all bill, which Sanders has said he’ll introduce in September. 

    fyi single payer is not the same as Medicare for all
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    California progressives.


    California Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon shelved for the year SB562, which intends to establish a state single payer health care system, he’s been subject to mass protests and even death threats. The bill’s chief backers, including the California Nurses Association and the Bernie Sanders-affiliated Our Revolution, angrily point to Rendon as the main roadblock to truly universal health care.

    They’re completely wrong. What’s more, they know they’re wrong. They’re perfectly aware that SB562 is a shell bill that cannot become law without a ballot measure approved by voters. Rather than committing to raising the millions of dollars that would be needed to overcome special interests and pass that initiative, they would, apparently, rather deceive their supporters, hiding the realities of California’s woeful political structure in favor of a morality play designed to advance careers and aggrandize power.

    https://theintercept.com/2017/06/30/california-single-payer-organizers-are-deceiving-their-supporters-its-time-to-stop/
    California goes national!
    anyone remember how progressive democrats in Cali called for single payer when they knew it wouldn't pass under GOP control?
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:

    What Killed Single-Payer In California?

    If single-payer can't pass with Democratic super-majorities in the Golden State, that raises serious questions about any national effort.


    California goes National
    JC29856 said:

    Bernie Sanders Knows His Medicare-For-All Bill Won't Pass. That's Not The Point

    http://www.npr.org/2017/08/11/542676994/bernie-sanders-knows-his-medicare-for-all-bill-wont-pass-thats-not-the-point

    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/325814-sanders-says-he-will-introduce-medicare-for-all-bill
    "Well, you know, it's a goal. In this Congress, we won't pass it," Welch said after the town hall. "But I think we have to do keep the goal out there, because we need in this country, like any industrialized country, a healthcare system that's affordable, accessible and universal."

    Sound familiar?
    JC29856 said:
    Bernie tried this in 2013, no co-sponsors then. It may have had a better chance at passing when Democrats had control over house and Senate for that short four month period under Obama. 

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/1782

    "co-sponsors, there are no fu(king co-sponsors"
    Is that enough evidence for you? You're right, I hadn't had my coffee - otherwise, I'd have seen that you posted seven times on the topic (not five). Who's confused?

    Dems: trump Putin collusion, guilty, impeach
    Dems: Awan who?
    Dems: underage hookers, bribery, innocent until proven guilty
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 28,750
    JC29856 said:
    benjs said:
    JC29856 said:
    litmus test

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/348651-kamala-harris-announces-she-will-co-sponsor-single-payer-health-insurance

    Kamala Harris announces she will co-sponsor single-payer healthcare


    single payer and Medicare for all are not synonymous!
    JC29856 said:
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/08/senator-kamala-harris-says-shell-support-a-single-payer-health-care-bill/

    Senator Kamala Harris said on Wednesday that she will co-sponsor Sen. Bernie Sanders’ anticipated single-payer health care bill. This makes Harris the first Senator to publicly announce support for the Medicare-for-all bill, which Sanders has said he’ll introduce in September. 

    fyi single payer is not the same as Medicare for all
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    California progressives.


    California Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon shelved for the year SB562, which intends to establish a state single payer health care system, he’s been subject to mass protests and even death threats. The bill’s chief backers, including the California Nurses Association and the Bernie Sanders-affiliated Our Revolution, angrily point to Rendon as the main roadblock to truly universal health care.

    They’re completely wrong. What’s more, they know they’re wrong. They’re perfectly aware that SB562 is a shell bill that cannot become law without a ballot measure approved by voters. Rather than committing to raising the millions of dollars that would be needed to overcome special interests and pass that initiative, they would, apparently, rather deceive their supporters, hiding the realities of California’s woeful political structure in favor of a morality play designed to advance careers and aggrandize power.

    https://theintercept.com/2017/06/30/california-single-payer-organizers-are-deceiving-their-supporters-its-time-to-stop/
    California goes national!
    anyone remember how progressive democrats in Cali called for single payer when they knew it wouldn't pass under GOP control?
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:

    What Killed Single-Payer In California?

    If single-payer can't pass with Democratic super-majorities in the Golden State, that raises serious questions about any national effort.


    California goes National
    JC29856 said:

    Bernie Sanders Knows His Medicare-For-All Bill Won't Pass. That's Not The Point

    http://www.npr.org/2017/08/11/542676994/bernie-sanders-knows-his-medicare-for-all-bill-wont-pass-thats-not-the-point

    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/325814-sanders-says-he-will-introduce-medicare-for-all-bill
    "Well, you know, it's a goal. In this Congress, we won't pass it," Welch said after the town hall. "But I think we have to do keep the goal out there, because we need in this country, like any industrialized country, a healthcare system that's affordable, accessible and universal."

    Sound familiar?
    JC29856 said:
    Bernie tried this in 2013, no co-sponsors then. It may have had a better chance at passing when Democrats had control over house and Senate for that short four month period under Obama. 

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/1782

    "co-sponsors, there are no fu(king co-sponsors"
    Is that enough evidence for you? You're right, I hadn't had my coffee - otherwise, I'd have seen that you posted seven times on the topic (not five). Who's confused?

    Dems: trump Putin collusion, guilty, impeach
    Dems: Awan who?
    Dems: underage hookers, bribery, innocent until proven guilty
    jc's: ANTIFA! ANTIFA! ANTIFA!
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,500
    aipac to progressive democrats: don't let the door hit you on the end of your large intestine

    interfering in elections!

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israel-lobby-forces-progressive-out-illinois-governors-race
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 28,750
    JC29856 said:
    aipac to progressive democrats: don't let the door hit you on the end of your large intestine

    interfering in elections!

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israel-lobby-forces-progressive-out-illinois-governors-race

    yeah--staying away from that link.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,500
    JC29856 said:
    aipac to progressive democrats: don't let the door hit you on the end of your large intestine

    interfering in elections!

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israel-lobby-forces-progressive-out-illinois-governors-race

    yeah--staying away from that link.
    don't be scared

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/08/hillary-hates-again/
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 28,750
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    aipac to progressive democrats: don't let the door hit you on the end of your large intestine

    interfering in elections!

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israel-lobby-forces-progressive-out-illinois-governors-race

    yeah--staying away from that link.
    don't be scared

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/08/hillary-hates-again/
    I'll tell ya what to be scared of......ANTIFA!
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 8,712
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    aipac to progressive democrats: don't let the door hit you on the end of your large intestine

    interfering in elections!

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israel-lobby-forces-progressive-out-illinois-governors-race

    yeah--staying away from that link.
    don't be scared

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/08/hillary-hates-again/
    I'll tell ya what to be scared of......ANTIFA!
    You are becoming the troll....it's usually what happens to people that lose it trying to deal with a troll.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,500
    backwards thinking...
    In response, Democratic senators and outside groups have begun telling Sanders and friendly intermediaries that if he wants to be a leading figure for Democrats ahead of 2020’s presidential election, he needs to get his supporters in line — or at least publicly disavow their more incendiary statements.

    Shouldn't senators align with their constituents?

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/08/bernie-backers-attacks-infuriate-democrats-242386
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,754
    edited September 8
    JC29856 said:
    backwards thinking...
    In response, Democratic senators and outside groups have begun telling Sanders and friendly intermediaries that if he wants to be a leading figure for Democrats ahead of 2020’s presidential election, he needs to get his supporters in line — or at least publicly disavow their more incendiary statements.

    Shouldn't senators align with their constituents?

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/08/bernie-backers-attacks-infuriate-democrats-242386
    No, they absolutely should not, if their supporters are espousing non-productive or dangerous views.  Senators and politicians broadly should lead, not follow.  Your argument is backwards.
    Post edited by mrussel1 on
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,500
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    backwards thinking...
    In response, Democratic senators and outside groups have begun telling Sanders and friendly intermediaries that if he wants to be a leading figure for Democrats ahead of 2020’s presidential election, he needs to get his supporters in line — or at least publicly disavow their more incendiary statements.

    Shouldn't senators align with their constituents?

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/08/bernie-backers-attacks-infuriate-democrats-242386
    No, they absolutely should not, if their supporters are espousing non-productive or dangerous views.  Senators and politicians broadly should lead, not follow.  Your argument is backwards.
    that's IFFY
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,500
    edited September 12
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Here is what democrats are actually doing to fight racism against non-whites.

    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/sen-cory-booker-introduce-bill-remove-confederate-statues-052404285--abc-news-topstories.html

    Sen. Cory Booker says he plans to introduce bill to remove Confederate statues from Capitol

    Because there just might be enough votes to pass it and dare Trump to veto it.
    CAMPAIGN ADVERTISING 101
    https://www.njtvonline.org/news/video/sen-booker-co-sponsoring-bernie-sanders-medicare-bill/

    hmmm?...deja vu California dreaming


    Booker is not the only high-profile Democratic senator to announce his support for the plan. Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and California Sen. Kamala Harris have already announced they are co-sponsoring Sanders’ bill. Warren, Harris and Booker are widely considered to be top contenders for the 2020 democratic presidential nomination.
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,500
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Here is what democrats are actually doing to fight racism against non-whites.

    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/sen-cory-booker-introduce-bill-remove-confederate-statues-052404285--abc-news-topstories.html

    Sen. Cory Booker says he plans to introduce bill to remove Confederate statues from Capitol

    Because there just might be enough votes to pass it and dare Trump to veto it.
    CAMPAIGN ADVERTISING 101
    https://www.njtvonline.org/news/video/sen-booker-co-sponsoring-bernie-sanders-medicare-bill/

    hmmm?...deja vu California dreaming


    Booker is not the only high-profile Democratic senator to announce his support for the plan. Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and California Sen. Kamala Harris have already announced they are co-sponsoring Sanders’ bill. Warren, Harris and Booker are widely considered to be top contenders for the 2020 democratic presidential nomination.
    Advertising 101
     
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/09/12/kirsten-gillibrand-backs-bernie-sanders-bill-single-payer-health-care/657285001/
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,500
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 6,924
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Here is what democrats are actually doing to fight racism against non-whites.

    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/sen-cory-booker-introduce-bill-remove-confederate-statues-052404285--abc-news-topstories.html

    Sen. Cory Booker says he plans to introduce bill to remove Confederate statues from Capitol

    Because there just might be enough votes to pass it and dare Trump to veto it.
    CAMPAIGN ADVERTISING 101
    https://www.njtvonline.org/news/video/sen-booker-co-sponsoring-bernie-sanders-medicare-bill/

    hmmm?...deja vu California dreaming


    Booker is not the only high-profile Democratic senator to announce his support for the plan. Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and California Sen. Kamala Harris have already announced they are co-sponsoring Sanders’ bill. Warren, Harris and Booker are widely considered to be top contenders for the 2020 democratic presidential nomination.
    Advertising 101
     
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/09/12/kirsten-gillibrand-backs-bernie-sanders-bill-single-payer-health-care/657285001/
    At a certain point, people you disagree with are going to promote things you agree with because it is the most positive for their brand. If you are looking for righteousness as the primary motive for political aspirations, you are not understanding the basis of human nature, and certainly not of politicians - those who serve to structure power to gain themselves more of it.

    We do what is best for ourselves, and on a short enough scale as one human life (especially with the age of typical politicians), what is best for us personally typically is not what is best for us collectively. Trump could buy a Hummer, and have gasoline-powered flamethrowers coming out of the back of it, and he will still most likely never personally or materially suffer the consequences of carbon emissions. 

    If you believe any of this, then you're going to have to ask yourself - if someone you disagree with promotes something you agree with for a reason you disagree with, will you support them? Or will you stay rigid in your stance that anyone whose name contains vowels and/or consonants is insincere and thus unsupportable? If you disagree with my opinion, I'd love to hear why.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,754
    benjs said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Here is what democrats are actually doing to fight racism against non-whites.

    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/sen-cory-booker-introduce-bill-remove-confederate-statues-052404285--abc-news-topstories.html

    Sen. Cory Booker says he plans to introduce bill to remove Confederate statues from Capitol

    Because there just might be enough votes to pass it and dare Trump to veto it.
    CAMPAIGN ADVERTISING 101
    https://www.njtvonline.org/news/video/sen-booker-co-sponsoring-bernie-sanders-medicare-bill/

    hmmm?...deja vu California dreaming


    Booker is not the only high-profile Democratic senator to announce his support for the plan. Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and California Sen. Kamala Harris have already announced they are co-sponsoring Sanders’ bill. Warren, Harris and Booker are widely considered to be top contenders for the 2020 democratic presidential nomination.
    Advertising 101
     
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/09/12/kirsten-gillibrand-backs-bernie-sanders-bill-single-payer-health-care/657285001/
    At a certain point, people you disagree with are going to promote things you agree with because it is the most positive for their brand. If you are looking for righteousness as the primary motive for political aspirations, you are not understanding the basis of human nature, and certainly not of politicians - those who serve to structure power to gain themselves more of it.

    We do what is best for ourselves, and on a short enough scale as one human life (especially with the age of typical politicians), what is best for us personally typically is not what is best for us collectively. Trump could buy a Hummer, and have gasoline-powered flamethrowers coming out of the back of it, and he will still most likely never personally or materially suffer the consequences of carbon emissions. 

    If you believe any of this, then you're going to have to ask yourself - if someone you disagree with promotes something you agree with for a reason you disagree with, will you support them? Or will you stay rigid in your stance that anyone whose name contains vowels and/or consonants is insincere and thus unsupportable? If you disagree with my opinion, I'd love to hear why.
    You can just check that rationality and logic right at the door, motherfucker.  
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,500
    edited September 13
    benjs said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Here is what democrats are actually doing to fight racism against non-whites.

    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/sen-cory-booker-introduce-bill-remove-confederate-statues-052404285--abc-news-topstories.html

    Sen. Cory Booker says he plans to introduce bill to remove Confederate statues from Capitol

    Because there just might be enough votes to pass it and dare Trump to veto it.
    CAMPAIGN ADVERTISING 101
    https://www.njtvonline.org/news/video/sen-booker-co-sponsoring-bernie-sanders-medicare-bill/

    hmmm?...deja vu California dreaming


    Booker is not the only high-profile Democratic senator to announce his support for the plan. Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and California Sen. Kamala Harris have already announced they are co-sponsoring Sanders’ bill. Warren, Harris and Booker are widely considered to be top contenders for the 2020 democratic presidential nomination.
    Advertising 101
     
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/09/12/kirsten-gillibrand-backs-bernie-sanders-bill-single-payer-health-care/657285001/
    At a certain point, people you disagree with are going to promote things you agree with because it is the most positive for their brand. If you are looking for righteousness as the primary motive for political aspirations, you are not understanding the basis of human nature, and certainly not of politicians - those who serve to structure power to gain themselves more of it.

    We do what is best for ourselves, and on a short enough scale as one human life (especially with the age of typical politicians), what is best for us personally typically is not what is best for us collectively. Trump could buy a Hummer, and have gasoline-powered flamethrowers coming out of the back of it, and he will still most likely never personally or materially suffer the consequences of carbon emissions. 

    If you believe any of this, then you're going to have to ask yourself - if someone you disagree with promotes something you agree with for a reason you disagree with, will you support them? Or will you stay rigid in your stance that anyone whose name contains vowels and/or consonants is insincere and thus unsupportable? If you disagree with my opinion, I'd love to hear why.
    I'll answer but first I need a better understanding of what you mean and what you are asking, but before that let me say a few things to clarify and bring those that havent been following along up to speed. First off lets make clear that single payer and medicare for all are not the same, althou most if not all of the links I posted previously use those terms interchangeably. Im not going to get into the differences or similarities, if anyone cares they can research themselves. The point is as I have posted single payer is NOT medicare for all. Second, the point of my posts and repeat posts are to illustrate just how disingenuous California democrats have been when they pushed for single payer legislation under Republican control, knowing it would never pass. Now that Cal Dems have control and can actually pass single payer, they shelf it. Why? Besides control in Cal from GOP to Dem, what changed?

    IMO we are seeing the same thing (disingenuous democrats) play out on the national level, certain Democrats are behind "single payer" medicare for all" knowing that it has zero chance of even being called to a vote, let alone passed and signed by Trump (if you think single payer or medicare for all has any chance of being called to a vote stop right here, dont waste your remaining brain cells reading any further). Can I not question the motivations for such actions and offer my opinions as to why this game is played (free advertising, now and in the future, when your name is in the presidential hat)?
     
    Now on to your reply, immediately Im confused as to your choice of the word "brand". I am and have referred to elected civil servants who's job is to serve their constituents, not Kyle Jenner and whatever her job is. Explain what you mean by "brand" in the context of politicians/political processes?
    Even thou I think your asking me if I will waste my time and efforts and support total horse shit, Ill answer your question as simply as possible, yes I will support ANYONE if they (honestly sincerely fight for) promote something that I believe is right. Ill support ANYONE who (honestly and sincerely) pushes for healthcare as an entitlement versus a commodity, regardless of their reasons. I do not and will not support horse shit lip service.
    Weeks if not months ago I posted just how horse shitty ironstache and harris are (fyi for the alt-stupid, one is a white male, the other is a black female)
    My questions: Are you suggestion that one should support harris booker (fill in the next presidential hopeful, gillibrand, kaine, liz) etc because they are behind single payer even thou they are only doing it for political expediency/free advertising/branding to use your term? Why would anyone waste their time or efforts supporting a candidate that is obviously intellectually dishonest / political expedient?
    Single payer and medicare for all isnt going anywhere and likely never will in our lifetime. Check the political contributions and pac money from health insurance companies, pharma and the like. More-so than money and power those currently in control (and some Dems too) think single payer is socialism, that obama and obamacare are the stepping stone to FREE healthcare for food stampers.  
    (for those that arent following along, please try to stay on topic)
    Post edited by JC29856 on
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 5,961
    I would be careful about being so certain of others sincerity, or lack of it. Regardless of whether it's free advertising or not, it's another step toward a single payer system. 
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,500
    I would be careful about being so certain of others sincerity, or lack of it. Regardless of whether it's free advertising or not, it's another step toward a single payer system. 
    I'm certain you and I will be offered the option to time travel before we're offered single payer.

    I wonder what Pelosi thinks about the prospects of Medicare for all?
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
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