This Dave A quote...

Spiritual_Chaos
Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,720
in The Porch
It's 3 months old, so pretty new. I don't know really what it means, but maybe someone will find it interesting (and can decipher it). It's from youtube.

"It hit me like a ton of bricks.
Ive been asked over and over, I heard all of the wack-ass theories...
This is the one that allows me to sleep at night;
Pearl Jam was never intended to be a hard driven, aggressive, rock band.
The biggest difference i see in the Pearl Jam that I was a part of, and every other version of the band is that when I was in this band, I gave the band, the music, and everyone involved from the audience to the townspeople in the city that hosted the show... I gave it all I had. Good or bad, I wanted to make sure that I felt every moment was appreciated for what was to me and every person that it would effect. THE REASON THAT THE EARLY PEARL JAM RECORDS ARE STILL A VITAL PART OF THE CATALOG IS BECAUSE THOSE ARE GREAT RECORDS. NO SLOUCHING MATT OR JACK OR DAVE C. THEY PLAY THIER PARTS VERY WELL. .THE REASON THE EARLY SONGS ARE TO SLOPPY, TO FAST, AND LACKING THAT POWERI S BECAUSE THAT BAND IS ONLY AS POWERFUL AS THEIR DRUMMER. And their drummers are only going to be as powerful as they are allowed. I still think if that the powers that be, who were behind the band... If they were professionals in there fields instead of just amicable first timers , they would've had the character needed to have kept something so powerful together. For the sake of the music & the fans. "
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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  • Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh Posts: 1,180
    Sour grapes. Matt C is the best drummer pearl jam has had. Get over it Dave.
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  • cp3iverson
    cp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    Love his drumming but i have no idea what he's even attempting to say
  • PJammer4life
    PJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,673
    In sports analogies he was traded(fired), and the team(band) began to play using a different system(diverse musical styles)rather than rely on their athleticism(raw hard rock aggressive energy). That's why they are still here after 25 years, whereas with him it would have been great for 5-7 but burned out.
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  • mikerl
    mikerl Posts: 580
    I don't disagree with some of this. Lots of the Dave A era material is lacking power, sloppy, and too fast when played live. Pearl jam changed a lot when he was fired. Some change has been great, other change not great. He admits that all the drummers have been good, and play THIER parts well, but they don't always play his parts that accurately.

    I am glad they were able to diversify their style and grow as a band, but as they have become a "jack of all trades" rock band, perhaps they are no longer masters of the early/old style.
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,461
    Pearl Jam has been very fortunate to have had amazing drummers. The different drummers are part of why the catalog is diverse. Love Dave A. Love that era of Pearl Jam. But they couldn't continue that style forever. Even if I selfishly wanted that. But then think of what we would have missed with Jack & Matt.
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  • TWHolt
    TWHolt Moncton, NB Posts: 409
    mikerl said:

    I don't disagree with some of this. Lots of the Dave A era material is lacking power, sloppy, and too fast when played live. Pearl jam changed a lot when he was fired. Some change has been great, other change not great. He admits that all the drummers have been good, and play THIER parts well, but they don't always play his parts that accurately.

    I am glad they were able to diversify their style and grow as a band, but as they have become a "jack of all trades" rock band, perhaps they are no longer masters of the early/old style.

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  • jp307677
    jp307677 Boston Posts: 417
    Dave who? Ha!
    In my opinion, the band didn't reach their full potential until he left! No Code and Yield are two of the best records, not just by Pearl Jam...but best period. Jack Irons is my personal favorite, but Matt is damn great and has been part of the family for a long time.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,720
    edited July 2016
    jp307677 said:

    Dave who? Ha!

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    jp307677 said:


    In my opinion, the band didn't reach their full potential until he left!

    Not to turn this into a boring "Dave A or not Dave A"-discussion, but...

    ... we only got 2 (amazing) records whit him behind the kit. Who knows how the third would have sounded. Could have been as much "full potential" as what we got with Jack, maybe in the same directon – maybe in another. Maybe Dave would have written a song that would have been an all time favorite. Maybe it would have been Pearl Jams "Scream".

    Who knows. But I doubt a third album with him wouldn't have been amazing. The two albums he played on together with how he handled the Ten songs sort of proves that.

    Just because Eddie wanted him out, doesn't mean he wasn't a great drummer, musician and collaborator.
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  • mikerl
    mikerl Posts: 580
    jp307677 said:

    Dave who? Ha!
    In my opinion, the band didn't reach their full potential until he left! No Code and Yield are two of the best records, not just by Pearl Jam...but best period. Jack Irons is my personal favorite, but Matt is damn great and has been part of the family for a long time.

    No Code and Yield are my favorites too, and I agree they never would have sounded like they did with anyone but Jack (my favorite too) but you can also say the same about Vs. and Vitalogy. The power, groove, and overall mastery of the heavier style has not been replicated since.
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  • whoanelly15
    whoanelly15 Posts: 742
    Being a drummer myself, Dave A. will always be my favorite to play along with. I was a 10 year old just learning to play a full kit when VS came out, and that's really what drove my PJ fandom in the beginning. His parts were so much a part of that POWER sound and songwriting in those days. Not just a hard-hitter with "four feet", his style is incredibly underrated and he had a great feel for what Jeff and Stone did rhythmically.

    That said, Matt Cameron is just as vital to this equation. While I loved the energy of the early years, MC is a big part of the reason why their live sound and performances from 2000 on are SO much tighter and more diverse. He is a consummate timekeeper and professional, can technically play anything, and brings enough unique style and flare to make me still listen to the drums first. He never fails to make the big moments BIGGER. He's the best back-up vocalist the band has ever had, and his character and chemistry with the other band members has helped the group survive. It seems doubtful that would have happened with any of the other drummers.

    Simply put, they wouldn't be Pearl Jam without these two.
  • Jammalambo
    Jammalambo Posts: 1,321
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    Sour grapes. Matt C is the best drummer pearl jam has had. Get over it Dave.

    He's one of the best drummer around, sure.
    But it's not the best drummer for PJ, that would have been Dave Abbruzzese.
    Matt C, again, is a beast, but his place has alway been in Soundgarden, not PJ.
  • FrankY59
    FrankY59 Posts: 1,051
    How old should I start my kid on drums? Everyone says start him with piano. Thoughts?!
  • whoanelly15
    whoanelly15 Posts: 742
    Agree. Better to learn to read music first. Drums are easy to pick up when you're a little older if you have that foundation.
  • mikerl
    mikerl Posts: 580
    Link to YouTube video? I didn't see it.
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,900
    Wonder what would have happened if Dave K. had still been the drummer
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  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 16,114
    It comes of as slightly sour grapes, but I give him credit for being honest and trying to put it somewhat nicely. It's as close to an honest answer we've ever gotten from someone connected to the band about that situation.
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  • jp307677
    jp307677 Boston Posts: 417
    igotid88 said:

    Wonder what would have happened if Dave K. had still been the drummer

    You wouldn't be listening to them today
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,900
    jp307677 said:

    igotid88 said:

    Wonder what would have happened if Dave K. had still been the drummer

    You wouldn't be listening to them today
    jp307677 said:

    igotid88 said:

    Wonder what would have happened if Dave K. had still been the drummer

    You wouldn't be listening to them today
    How do you know?
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  • RS65573
    RS65573 Posts: 2,506
    FrankY59 said:

    How old should I start my kid on drums? Everyone says start him with piano. Thoughts?!

    Right now in my opinion. The younger the better.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,703
    He's calling Matt sloppy? Dave likes himself a lot.

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