My Future Lottery Proposal

pjalive21

dimitrispearljam said:

rival9500 said:

mattcoz said:

Zod said:

The way you describe it is a bit confusing. I imagine it's more and more technical doing the lotteries, the more rules you put in, so I try and think of it in the simplest way possible. Maybe for round 2, they split it into two lottery pulls. 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then 2nd priority with previous tickets. Less people would have multiple tickets but more people would have a single pair.

It would help split the tickets when performing multiple shows in the same city, and it would help full leg tours, when people select GA/Reserved for a single show get trumped by people choose Reserved/Reserved from two different shows.

I feel the Lotto system is pretty good, but there is that one thing that feels like it could use tweaking, as it creates opportunities for some people two get two pairs and some people to get none.

There's limitations on how you can do it for full tours because you don't know what people will get in future draws. If you draw shows in chronological order you can really only base it on what's been pulled so far.

Maybe I didn't explain it properly. For round 2 it would be just 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then round 3 would be just 3rd priority with no previous tickets, etc. If after all that there are tickets still available, then it starts over and people can get second pairs. This way nobody gets a second pair before everyone gets a first pair, if possible. Then nobody gets a third pair before everyone gets a second pair, if possible. It doesn't matter what order you draw the shows in because you're only doing one priority at at time.

Some version of this makes sense. People are going to shit on this idea. No surprise there. Not everyone will be happy, but some changes need to happen to "spread the love". People getting 2-4 shows when others get 0 for the same shows is shit. It doesn't matter what your number is.

If u put 4 ga shows and shut out and another guy put same 4 shows seated and score all 4 has nothing to do with lottery ..had to do with supply and demand and u wanted ga and the other guy wanted to be in the venue
At anouncement all infos are there
U read and u make choices..when u know ga are less tickets available than seated which was clear at the announcement and all goes first priorities for ga is not lottery problem

completely agree with you....

Not all but most of what I have seen with people getting shut out of the lottery is how they are picking their priorities...if you chose all GA as your priority for every pick you are basically screwing yourself

when they announced Wrigley the first time there was no way I was going for GA that was my last choice I went for seats and won....when I went for St. Louis GA I made it my first priority because I felt the home show would benefit me some (eventho there is nothing saying so) and it did for GA. With Lexington I went for GA first being that it was a less in demand show and close to me in proximity and I won GA again...I have a method to my madness which is basically luck I supposed but you have to be smart with all your picks and always picking GA isn't going to benefit you.

MayDay10

^^^ I dont think that example applies to what the OP is saying. GA and reserved are 'separate' shows right now for the sake of the lottery. So if person A put in for reserved and got one, person B put in for all reserved and didnt get chosen, they wouldnt affect one another.

In the simplest terms, say two people chose Wrigley I Res 1st, and Wrigley II Res 2nd. Right now, person A can win both shows, while person B can be shut out of the same choices and have nothing.

Say person A got Wrigley Reserved I and Person B missed Wrigley GA I, both put Wrigley II reserved as their 2nd priority, Person B would be eligible for winning the Wrigley II Res tickets as a priority before person A who already landed show I.

Zod

The thing is, if they addressed it, I'm not sure how much of an impact it would have. In my estimation the difficulty in getting tickets keeps leading to more people buying memberships. If they modify it so it's extremely hard to get two pairs of tickets on a tour, then people will enroll wives/friends/family to get even more memberships.

With digital memberships being $20, it's extremely cheap to figure out who you want to go to the concerts with and get them to get memberships too.

That's how I feel anyways. Long gone are the days where people milked the benefits of my 10c membership. If they want to come they need 10c memberships too

dimitrispearljam

MayDay10 said:

^^^ I dont think that example applies to what the OP is saying. GA and reserved are 'separate' shows right now for the sake of the lottery. So if person A put in for reserved and got one, person B put in for all reserved and didnt get chosen, they wouldnt affect one another.

In the simplest terms, say two people chose Wrigley I Res 1st, and Wrigley II Res 2nd. Right now, person A can win both shows, while person B can be shut out of the same choices and have nothing.

Say person A got Wrigley Reserved I and Person B missed Wrigley GA I, both put Wrigley II reserved as their 2nd priority, Person B would be eligible for winning the Wrigley II Res tickets as a priority before person A who already landed show I.

That fair to happen if its the same venue-town..and not for different cities
But still the odds are there..u need to understand them
For exable msg...lets say u put msg 1 ga first....
Why the hell u put msg 2 ga as 2nd priority???..its a lost before the draw!!!!!
Ga at msg will go ONLY to some has it 1st priority..end of story..its so obvious
And cos u know u cant win both nights at msg..directly u go -to another city and only seated
So thats how people won msg ga and second philly seated
..and them some others put
Msg 1 ga
Msg 2 ga
Phily 1 ga
Philly 2 ga

Aka..u will get 0 or 1..u knew it before the draw

PJNB

MayDay10 said:

^^^ I dont think that example applies to what the OP is saying. GA and reserved are 'separate' shows right now for the sake of the lottery. So if person A put in for reserved and got one, person B put in for all reserved and didnt get chosen, they wouldnt affect one another.

In the simplest terms, say two people chose Wrigley I Res 1st, and Wrigley II Res 2nd. Right now, person A can win both shows, while person B can be shut out of the same choices and have nothing.

Say person A got Wrigley Reserved I and Person B missed Wrigley GA I, both put Wrigley II reserved as their 2nd priority, Person B would be eligible for winning the Wrigley II Res tickets as a priority before person A who already landed show I.

They have done this in the past though. Its not like they haven't. Look at PHI and MSG shows. You could not win the second night or vice versa and that allowed someone that got shut out of their first choice a better shot at their second. I think the problem with these ballpark shows was that Tenclub was a little worried that they would not be able to fill the seats if they only allowed one night. The way I see it there really should have been 3 separate draws for the second show. First priority then Second Priority (only the ones that missed winning the first night or did not put in for it) and if needed Second Priority( those who were lucky enough to win the first night) That said its a lotto. Some win and some lose its not always fair.

dimitrispearljam

rival9500 said:

dimitrispearljam said:

rival9500 said:

mattcoz said:

Zod said:

The way you describe it is a bit confusing. I imagine it's more and more technical doing the lotteries, the more rules you put in, so I try and think of it in the simplest way possible. Maybe for round 2, they split it into two lottery pulls. 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then 2nd priority with previous tickets. Less people would have multiple tickets but more people would have a single pair.

It would help split the tickets when performing multiple shows in the same city, and it would help full leg tours, when people select GA/Reserved for a single show get trumped by people choose Reserved/Reserved from two different shows.

I feel the Lotto system is pretty good, but there is that one thing that feels like it could use tweaking, as it creates opportunities for some people two get two pairs and some people to get none.

There's limitations on how you can do it for full tours because you don't know what people will get in future draws. If you draw shows in chronological order you can really only base it on what's been pulled so far.

Maybe I didn't explain it properly. For round 2 it would be just 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then round 3 would be just 3rd priority with no previous tickets, etc. If after all that there are tickets still available, then it starts over and people can get second pairs. This way nobody gets a second pair before everyone gets a first pair, if possible. Then nobody gets a third pair before everyone gets a second pair, if possible. It doesn't matter what order you draw the shows in because you're only doing one priority at at time.

Some version of this makes sense. People are going to shit on this idea. No surprise there. Not everyone will be happy, but some changes need to happen to "spread the love". People getting 2-4 shows when others get 0 for the same shows is shit. It doesn't matter what your number is.

If u put 4 ga shows and shut out and another guy put same 4 shows seated and score all 4 has nothing to do with lottery ..had to do with supply and demand and u wanted ga and the other guy wanted to be in the venue
At anouncement all infos are there
U read and u make choices..when u know ga are less tickets available than seated which was clear at the announcement and all goes first priorities for ga is not lottery problem

I think the GA risk is understood, or it should be. I personally prefer a lottery without GA option which many others have suggested. Regardless, something needs to change. Many on here feel the same. There are some good ideas around here.

Ga is here to stay at norht america as all the rest of the world so many years now
And by far with ga there are more tix avaivable for the fan club than with seats on the flor
People need to read and understand how to put their entries and how many chances they have with the way they put their priorities
The system is great and fzir and if they sell single tix would be perfect

JimmyV

rival9500 said:

dimitrispearljam said:

rival9500 said:

mattcoz said:

Zod said:

The way you describe it is a bit confusing. I imagine it's more and more technical doing the lotteries, the more rules you put in, so I try and think of it in the simplest way possible. Maybe for round 2, they split it into two lottery pulls. 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then 2nd priority with previous tickets. Less people would have multiple tickets but more people would have a single pair.

It would help split the tickets when performing multiple shows in the same city, and it would help full leg tours, when people select GA/Reserved for a single show get trumped by people choose Reserved/Reserved from two different shows.

I feel the Lotto system is pretty good, but there is that one thing that feels like it could use tweaking, as it creates opportunities for some people two get two pairs and some people to get none.

There's limitations on how you can do it for full tours because you don't know what people will get in future draws. If you draw shows in chronological order you can really only base it on what's been pulled so far.

Maybe I didn't explain it properly. For round 2 it would be just 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then round 3 would be just 3rd priority with no previous tickets, etc. If after all that there are tickets still available, then it starts over and people can get second pairs. This way nobody gets a second pair before everyone gets a first pair, if possible. Then nobody gets a third pair before everyone gets a second pair, if possible. It doesn't matter what order you draw the shows in because you're only doing one priority at at time.

Some version of this makes sense. People are going to shit on this idea. No surprise there. Not everyone will be happy, but some changes need to happen to "spread the love". People getting 2-4 shows when others get 0 for the same shows is shit. It doesn't matter what your number is.

If u put 4 ga shows and shut out and another guy put same 4 shows seated and score all 4 has nothing to do with lottery ..had to do with supply and demand and u wanted ga and the other guy wanted to be in the venue
At anouncement all infos are there
U read and u make choices..when u know ga are less tickets available than seated which was clear at the announcement and all goes first priorities for ga is not lottery problem

I think the GA risk is understood, or it should be. I personally prefer a lottery without GA option which many others have suggested. Regardless, something needs to change. Many on here feel the same. There are some good ideas around here.

I agree that the GA risk should be understood but I don't believe that it is and I know it wasn't going into the spring tour lotteries. The number of screenshots I saw here and on Facebook of people with MSG GA 1 and 2 followed by Philly GA 3 and 4 was kind of mindboggling. And people weren't just furious they didn't win, they were legitimately surprised.

pjalive21

PJNB said:

This is a good take on this, if you would have limited the amount for these ball park shows then the Sunday and Monday shows would be half full

RatsTJRats

JimmyV said:

rival9500 said:

dimitrispearljam said:

rival9500 said:

mattcoz said:

Zod said:

The way you describe it is a bit confusing. I imagine it's more and more technical doing the lotteries, the more rules you put in, so I try and think of it in the simplest way possible. Maybe for round 2, they split it into two lottery pulls. 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then 2nd priority with previous tickets. Less people would have multiple tickets but more people would have a single pair.

It would help split the tickets when performing multiple shows in the same city, and it would help full leg tours, when people select GA/Reserved for a single show get trumped by people choose Reserved/Reserved from two different shows.

I feel the Lotto system is pretty good, but there is that one thing that feels like it could use tweaking, as it creates opportunities for some people two get two pairs and some people to get none.

There's limitations on how you can do it for full tours because you don't know what people will get in future draws. If you draw shows in chronological order you can really only base it on what's been pulled so far.

Maybe I didn't explain it properly. For round 2 it would be just 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then round 3 would be just 3rd priority with no previous tickets, etc. If after all that there are tickets still available, then it starts over and people can get second pairs. This way nobody gets a second pair before everyone gets a first pair, if possible. Then nobody gets a third pair before everyone gets a second pair, if possible. It doesn't matter what order you draw the shows in because you're only doing one priority at at time.

Some version of this makes sense. People are going to shit on this idea. No surprise there. Not everyone will be happy, but some changes need to happen to "spread the love". People getting 2-4 shows when others get 0 for the same shows is shit. It doesn't matter what your number is.

If u put 4 ga shows and shut out and another guy put same 4 shows seated and score all 4 has nothing to do with lottery ..had to do with supply and demand and u wanted ga and the other guy wanted to be in the venue
At anouncement all infos are there
U read and u make choices..when u know ga are less tickets available than seated which was clear at the announcement and all goes first priorities for ga is not lottery problem

I think the GA risk is understood, or it should be. I personally prefer a lottery without GA option which many others have suggested. Regardless, something needs to change. Many on here feel the same. There are some good ideas around here.

I agree that the GA risk should be understood but I don't believe that it is and I know it wasn't going into the spring tour lotteries. The number of screenshots I saw here and on Facebook of people with MSG GA 1 and 2 followed by Philly GA 3 and 4 was kind of mindboggling. And people weren't just furious they didn't win, they were legitimately surprised.

Its a greed thing too. Its not enough to just be in the building, people need to be in GA. Its the same with the Fenway and Wrigley shows. People are already on here looking for 10C tickets before the shows are even sold out. Try your luck with the presales and public sales before coming here. People think that they are entitled to the best shows in the house to every show they want....doesn't work that way, just be happy to have an extra chance to be there.

pjalive21

JimmyV said:

rival9500 said:

dimitrispearljam said:

rival9500 said:

mattcoz said:

Zod said:

The way you describe it is a bit confusing. I imagine it's more and more technical doing the lotteries, the more rules you put in, so I try and think of it in the simplest way possible. Maybe for round 2, they split it into two lottery pulls. 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then 2nd priority with previous tickets. Less people would have multiple tickets but more people would have a single pair.

It would help split the tickets when performing multiple shows in the same city, and it would help full leg tours, when people select GA/Reserved for a single show get trumped by people choose Reserved/Reserved from two different shows.

I feel the Lotto system is pretty good, but there is that one thing that feels like it could use tweaking, as it creates opportunities for some people two get two pairs and some people to get none.

There's limitations on how you can do it for full tours because you don't know what people will get in future draws. If you draw shows in chronological order you can really only base it on what's been pulled so far.

Maybe I didn't explain it properly. For round 2 it would be just 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then round 3 would be just 3rd priority with no previous tickets, etc. If after all that there are tickets still available, then it starts over and people can get second pairs. This way nobody gets a second pair before everyone gets a first pair, if possible. Then nobody gets a third pair before everyone gets a second pair, if possible. It doesn't matter what order you draw the shows in because you're only doing one priority at at time.

Some version of this makes sense. People are going to shit on this idea. No surprise there. Not everyone will be happy, but some changes need to happen to "spread the love". People getting 2-4 shows when others get 0 for the same shows is shit. It doesn't matter what your number is.

If u put 4 ga shows and shut out and another guy put same 4 shows seated and score all 4 has nothing to do with lottery ..had to do with supply and demand and u wanted ga and the other guy wanted to be in the venue
At anouncement all infos are there
U read and u make choices..when u know ga are less tickets available than seated which was clear at the announcement and all goes first priorities for ga is not lottery problem

I think the GA risk is understood, or it should be. I personally prefer a lottery without GA option which many others have suggested. Regardless, something needs to change. Many on here feel the same. There are some good ideas around here.

I agree that the GA risk should be understood but I don't believe that it is and I know it wasn't going into the spring tour lotteries. The number of screenshots I saw here and on Facebook of people with MSG GA 1 and 2 followed by Philly GA 3 and 4 was kind of mindboggling. And people weren't just furious they didn't win, they were legitimately surprised.

if someone really won GA to all four of those shows then the lottery isn't the problem they are the luckiest SOB's on the planet and need to play the real lottery ha

rival9500

One I like is having a general presale lottery, then winners have a lottery for GA. Lots of people on both sides of this. I won't change my mind that it needs to be changed.

Abe Froman

dimitrispearljam said:

rival9500 said:

dimitrispearljam said:

rival9500 said:

mattcoz said:

Zod said:

The way you describe it is a bit confusing. I imagine it's more and more technical doing the lotteries, the more rules you put in, so I try and think of it in the simplest way possible. Maybe for round 2, they split it into two lottery pulls. 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then 2nd priority with previous tickets. Less people would have multiple tickets but more people would have a single pair.

It would help split the tickets when performing multiple shows in the same city, and it would help full leg tours, when people select GA/Reserved for a single show get trumped by people choose Reserved/Reserved from two different shows.

I feel the Lotto system is pretty good, but there is that one thing that feels like it could use tweaking, as it creates opportunities for some people two get two pairs and some people to get none.

There's limitations on how you can do it for full tours because you don't know what people will get in future draws. If you draw shows in chronological order you can really only base it on what's been pulled so far.

Maybe I didn't explain it properly. For round 2 it would be just 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then round 3 would be just 3rd priority with no previous tickets, etc. If after all that there are tickets still available, then it starts over and people can get second pairs. This way nobody gets a second pair before everyone gets a first pair, if possible. Then nobody gets a third pair before everyone gets a second pair, if possible. It doesn't matter what order you draw the shows in because you're only doing one priority at at time.

Some version of this makes sense. People are going to shit on this idea. No surprise there. Not everyone will be happy, but some changes need to happen to "spread the love". People getting 2-4 shows when others get 0 for the same shows is shit. It doesn't matter what your number is.

If u put 4 ga shows and shut out and another guy put same 4 shows seated and score all 4 has nothing to do with lottery ..had to do with supply and demand and u wanted ga and the other guy wanted to be in the venue
At anouncement all infos are there
U read and u make choices..when u know ga are less tickets available than seated which was clear at the announcement and all goes first priorities for ga is not lottery problem

I think the GA risk is understood, or it should be. I personally prefer a lottery without GA option which many others have suggested. Regardless, something needs to change. Many on here feel the same. There are some good ideas around here.

Ga is here to stay at norht america as all the rest of the world so many years now
And by far with ga there are more tix avaivable for the fan club than with seats on the flor
People need to read and understand how to put their entries and how many chances they have with the way they put their priorities
The system is great and fzir and if they sell single tix would be perfect

Yup. Agreed. The lottery system is very fair. Its all about your choices and knowing your chances. 2013 Wrigley I went for GA 1st and res 2nd and lost. I knew the risk and didn't win. I then lost out on public sale too. Found face value pair through kind members here later. This time I didn't wanna take any chances so I went for res night 1 and then res 2 and won them both.

People that go for GA for first 4 choices of high demand shows are just throwing away your 2,3, and 4 picks.