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fcbittencafcbittenca Posts: 345
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Ok. About the tour in South America. The plan to have the passwords on the Events page with no 10C membership deadline and why it is not a good idea. (This is for Brazil alone). Assuming all the rules are already set.

1 - In my country we have a stupid law to give 50% discount to everyone with a Student ID. Guess what happens? Most everyone in the country has a FAKE Student ID. Every promoter in Brazil double their prices knowing most people will have fake documents. (Some of us don't. So we pay full price, or should I say, double price)

2 - In 2011 the 10C had an AMAZING 50% discount Pre Sale to active members until one day before the announcement. The wrong decision was the password system. Most of Brazilians have a very UNIQUE concept of FAIR, for lack of a better expression.

3 - Scalpers in Brazil will go the extra mile for a buck. They will make fake memberships as much as they can to buy all 4 tickets. SPECIALLY if again, 10C give us a 50% discount. Think of this. This is a half price ticket that don't require fake documentation.

Now the beauty about this type of people. THEY DON'T CARE IF THEY LOOSE THEIR MEMBERSHIP. THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN. The threat 10C imposes only applies to us, loyal 10C members that have been paying our membership for a while.

With that said I move for 10C to consider having a deadline of before the first announcement as an active member in order to be a part of the Pre Sale. This is the norm we came to expect from everything in the club lately. This is a "make it fair for people here". Make sure the loyal fan will score a ticket and not be at risk of some scalper invasion.

Any internet programmer can easily modify an unique event page to ready "membership since" field, use a simple YES or NO formula and only allow access to the password page to those that are eligible.

I hope people understand that I have 10C members and all Pearl Jam fans interest as the only reason why I am saying this. I know 10C has all the good heart in the planet and all the faith on people. BUT... being a brazilian myself I say. We don't deserve that credit.

If we don't act now, PJ next visit to South America announcement will read something like "Last time the password on the events page was a problem due .... "
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    on2legson2legs Standing in the Jersey rain… Posts: 14,472
    Well said. I hope they listen to your suggestion.
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    fcbittencafcbittenca Posts: 345
    on2legs said:

    Well said. I hope they listen to your suggestion.

    Thank you! I am just trying to avoid a problem before it hits. Let's be fair, there is plenty of time for us to avoid it.
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    Leezestarr313Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,346
    That sounds like a nasty scenario, but you proposed a fair solution. Good luck!
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    fcbittencafcbittenca Posts: 345
    Leezestarr313 said:

    That sounds like a nasty scenario, but you proposed a fair solution. Good luck!

    Thanks for the support. We can only hope they will consider it. Not just brazilian 10C members but everyone willing to fly here for the concerts.

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    usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    In my country, people do the same. Lots of em. Millions. Try to get handouts and not pay "full" price.

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    fcbittencafcbittenca Posts: 345
    usamamasan1 said:

    In my country, people do the same. Lots of em. Millions. Try to get handouts and not pay "full" price.

    Obama phones

    What are handouts?

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    NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,304
    edited March 2015
    usamamasan1 said:

    In my country, people do the same. Lots of em. Millions. Try to get handouts and not pay "full" price.

    Obama phones

    Exactly. Huge problem in the red states which all suck up federal dollars while the blues pay for it. If only they would pick themselves up by their bootstraps...
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    UnthoughtNameUnthoughtName Posts: 192
    Can we please keep this on track? I think the OP has a very valid concern. Lets not start a red/blue argument in here and miss the point.

    I'm not a programmer, but @fcbittenca I hope they see your concern and are able to do something about it.
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    NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,304
    UnthoughtName said:

    Can we please keep this on track? I think the OP has a very valid concern. Lets not start a red/blue argument in here and miss the point.

    I'm not a programmer, but @fcbittenca I hope they see your concern and are able to do something about it.

    I agree. Sorry for adding to it
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    fcbittencafcbittenca Posts: 345
    UnthoughtName said:

    Can we please keep this on track? I think the OP has a very valid concern. Lets not start a red/blue argument in here and miss the point.

    I'm not a programmer, but @fcbittenca I hope they see your concern and are able to do something about it.

    Thanks UnthoughtName! We really need to try to call attention to this. Today it only concerns SA, but in the future we can very well get to the 10C Lotery in the US. Imagine a person that just joined can place a lotery entry and they are not looking for seniority outside GA.

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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,559
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    deadendpdeadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    fcbittenca said:

    UnthoughtName said:

    Can we please keep this on track? I think the OP has a very valid concern. Lets not start a red/blue argument in here and miss the point.

    I'm not a programmer, but @fcbittenca I hope they see your concern and are able to do something about it.

    Thanks UnthoughtName! We really need to try to call attention to this. Today it only concerns SA, but in the future we can very well get to the 10C Lotery in the US. Imagine a person that just joined can place a lotery entry and they are not looking for seniority outside GA.

    I hate to suggest something archaic, but what about going to a mail system (we're talking the people with the trucks) to skip the internet mess for you altogether? Would that be worse?

    I hate that the tickets are so expensive for you and that dishonest people make it worse.
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    dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam NINUNINOPRO Posts: 139,216
    good point..they need to do something about it...
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,559
    Are we getting a unique password? It seems like we will all be able to see the same password, so as long as these scalpers know one Ten Club member that can access the site they can all find out without joining the club.
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    dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam NINUNINOPRO Posts: 139,216
    bootlegger10 said:

    Are we getting a unique password? It seems like we will all be able to see the same password, so as long as these scalpers know one Ten Club member that can access the site they can all find out without joining the club.

    exactly..if we all get the same code,then is a problem
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    fcbittencafcbittenca Posts: 345
    bootlegger10 said:

    Are we getting a unique password? It seems like we will all be able to see the same password, so as long as these scalpers know one Ten Club member that can access the site they can all find out without joining the club.

    I agree @bootlegger10 It's not fail proof, but it is the best we can offer that would sound realistic for 10C to pull it off. I still think the odds of reducing the scalpers on the restricted to old members page would be greater than simply leaving it there open to every one that just joined.
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    fcbittencafcbittenca Posts: 345
    dimitrispearljam said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Are we getting a unique password? It seems like we will all be able to see the same password, so as long as these scalpers know one Ten Club member that can access the site they can all find out without joining the club.

    exactly..if we all get the same code,then is a problem
    It's a more complex system to issue and validate unique passwords. Not for 10C, but between 10C and the ticket vendor website. Imagine 10C issuing thousands of passwords for EVERY active 10C member and sending it to the Vendor. We can't know in advance who will be purchasing the tickets. We need to try and find the most realist way to reduce scalper access to the pre sale.
    Also to try and reward the loyal 10C member like we have done in the past.
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    fcbittencafcbittenca Posts: 345
    Does anyone know the best 10C email to address this?
    If they need someone to talk in portuguese with the ticket vendor and hold international conference calls I will be glad to help with that.
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    VarzinczakVarzinczak Curitiba, Brazil Posts: 71
    edited March 2015
    I support this. That's one of my concerns. I remember that in 2011 it was a mess and for Eddie's tour last year this method did not work.

    Sometimes I think on how simple it is but unfortunately we don't see any effort of 10C to make the right thing. Instead, we pass through this weird situation every time. It's time to 10C change its policy on the tickets for south america because this is not a advantage for us as they said.

    For example, a lot of people are asking me on how to become a 10C member only to get this advantages. If 10C is trying to gather more and more members to raise money, I think that they are in the right way.
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    VarzinczakVarzinczak Curitiba, Brazil Posts: 71
    edited March 2015
    One more thing: I swear for god that the situation here is a shit, not only to buy tickets but at the show too. In 2011 I almost had a rib injury due to insane people trying to get closer to the stage. If people cannot be polite and organized, then someone should do something, especially Ten Club. Sometimes I think that the speech of 'fans integrity and kindness' was lost through years.

    So please, Ten Club, we are claiming to you make the things right this time.
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    HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,420
    fcbittenca said:

    Does anyone know the best 10C email to address this?
    If they need someone to talk in portuguese with the ticket vendor and hold international conference calls I will be glad to help with that.

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    samjamsamjam New York Posts: 9,283
    This seems important for the 10c to take into consideration. I hope they are able to make some changes for you!
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    fcbittencafcbittenca Posts: 345
    HesCalledDyer said:

    fcbittenca said:

    Does anyone know the best 10C email to address this?
    If they need someone to talk in portuguese with the ticket vendor and hold international conference calls I will be glad to help with that.

    tickets@tenclub.net
    Thank you @HesCalledDyer !
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    Leezestarr313Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,346
    I bought tickets for an My Morning Jacket show last week and for that, got a digital Roll Call membership, which seems to be their fanclub thing. I did it because it was not expensive and enabled me to get tickets before the general public sale. Members of their fan club who had their membership before a certain date or members who have bought a Deluxe membership could buy their tickets half an hour before all the others. This could be something of a solution for this too.
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    annaungarettiannaungaretti Posts: 169
    The first thing 10C has to fix is the non existent membeship deadline (to a day before the announcement). Just send an extra email with the rule.
    Regarding the code, since is not 10C who is handeling the sale I think is hard to get an individual code, but posting the code for members only on the events page 1 hour before is better than sending via email a week before. It's an attempt to reduce the sharing.
    Since the first SA tour in 2005 we've been loosing privileges. In 2011 we lost the early entry, in 2013 the fan club sale for lollapalooza was a fiasco with a horrible sales website, in 2014 for EV tour the code was everywhere and now no membership restriction...no need for a 10C number down here anymore...
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    annaungarettiannaungaretti Posts: 169
    Leezestarr313 said:

    I bought tickets for an My Morning Jacket show last week and for that, got a digital Roll Call membership, which seems to be their fanclub thing. I did it because it was not expensive and enabled me to get tickets before the general public sale. Members of their fan club who had their membership before a certain date or members who have bought a Deluxe membership could buy their tickets half an hour before all the others. This could be something of a solution for this too.

    If I'm not mistaken Aerosmith has a similar policy...
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    fcbittencafcbittenca Posts: 345
    annaungaretti said:

    The first thing 10C has to fix is the non existent membeship deadline (to a day before the announcement). Just send an extra email with the rule.
    Regarding the code, since is not 10C who is handeling the sale I think is hard to get an individual code, but posting the code for members only on the events page 1 hour before is better than sending via email a week before. It's an attempt to reduce the sharing.
    Since the first SA tour in 2005 we've been loosing privileges. In 2011 we lost the early entry, in 2013 the fan club sale for lollapalooza was a fiasco with a horrible sales website, in 2014 for EV tour the code was everywhere and now no membership restriction...no need for a 10C number down here anymore...

    It's true Anna. Every time they come down to South America we loose something. Being a 10C member it's not making that much a difference anymore. Maybe this is the direction the band wants to take. In the future they will hold Meet and Greets, Caribbean Fantasy Cruises, lend music to car commercials... and who knows, end 10C althogether. :( it would be a sad day.

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    23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 18,553
    i hope 10c fix this..it's not fair
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    fcbittencafcbittenca Posts: 345
    They did reply. Hope they can manage to avoid this.
    Thanks everyone for the support. See you all in November.
    Or maybe earlier this northern summer in NA. ;)

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    Mar 15, 10:54 AM
    Thank You Fabiano,
    We appreciate your concern and will take it into consideration while planning the Brazil ticket sale announcement.
    Please add donotreply@pearljam.com & shipping@tenclub.net to your email address book so you will not miss updates.
    Be sure to stay posted to the site and forum for any future updates.
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    PJSEMPREPJSEMPRE Posts: 687
    Great post, fcbittenca. Hope they change the rules.
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