Rock & Roll HOF Induction Eligibility Countdown: 2years

FrankieG

3 2! Years from today Pearl Jam becomes eligible for induction!

http://rockhall.com/inductees/induction-process/

EligibilityTo be eligible for induction as an artist (as a performer, composer, or musician) into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the artist must have released a record, in the generally accepted sense of that phrase, at least 25 years prior to the year of induction; and have demonstrated unquestionable musical excellence.

We shall consider factors such as an artist's musical influence on other artists, length and depth of career and the body of work, innovation and superiority in style and technique, but musical excellence shall be the essential qualification of induction.

Just need to wait for the time criteria cause we all know they satisfy the other requirements!

DewieCox

I'll be curious to see if they get in on first ballot. Some bands that I'd deem as more deserving didn't go in the first year or are still missing. Led Zeppelin didn't go in their first year of eligibility, so I wouldn't be counting any chickens just yet.

Not sure when Nirvana and AIC released their first albums, but they probably won't wanna lump them together to spread out the big names.

mr.mac

I swear to you that I looked up in 1993 what the requirements were for this, and started my countdown back then. I think based on their place in the industry, and the good standing they have with the music community in general, PJ will get in on their first year of eligibility. To me the biggest thing in their favor is that they have stayed together (not including the drummers) all this time. Not too many band can say that they haven't had a breakup or two along the way.

Also, I think Nirvana is eligible next year. I kind of remember Dave Grohl being asked about this in something I read.

fife

DewieCox wrote:

I'll be curious to see if they get in on first ballot. Some bands that I'd deem as more deserving didn't go in the first year or are still missing. Led Zeppelin didn't go in their first year of eligibility, so I wouldn't be counting any chickens just yet.

Not sure when Nirvana and AIC released their first albums, but they probably won't wanna lump them together to spread out the big names.

do you really think Nirvana and AIC should be in the HOF. I say Pearl Jam gets in way before those 2 bands do but I don't know if it will be a 1st ballot but i think they have a chance with all the older bands loving them.

mr.mac

fife wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

I'll be curious to see if they get in on first ballot. Some bands that I'd deem as more deserving didn't go in the first year or are still missing. Led Zeppelin didn't go in their first year of eligibility, so I wouldn't be counting any chickens just yet.

Not sure when Nirvana and AIC released their first albums, but they probably won't wanna lump them together to spread out the big names.

do you really think Nirvana and AIC should be in the HOF. I say Pearl Jam gets in way before those 2 bands do but I don't know if it will be a 1st ballot but i think they have a chance with all the older bands loving them.

Nirvana is a lock. Not sure about AIC.

Pap

And of course, I wait Dave Krusen, Matt Chamberlain, Dave Abbruzzese and Jack Irons to be presented.

Tboz51

Pap wrote:

And of course, I wait Dave Krusen, Matt Chamberlain, Dave Abbruzzese and Jack Irons to be presented.

Eddie is all for most of that list. :-)

mrpink90

DewieCox wrote:

I'll be curious to see if they get in on first ballot. Some bands that I'd deem as more deserving didn't go in the first year or are still missing. Led Zeppelin didn't go in their first year of eligibility, so I wouldn't be counting any chickens just yet.

Not sure when Nirvana and AIC released their first albums, but they probably won't wanna lump them together to spread out the big names.

led zep were inducted in their 1st year of eligibility. i know they were inducted in 1995 and their 1st album came out in 1969, so thats 26 years, but sometimes it works out that way (not sure why). bruce was inducted in his 1st year, his 1st album came out in 1973, he was inducted in '99, 26 years also. U2 1st album was 1980, inducted in 2005, 25 years.

dont know why some artists it works out 26 years and others 25, but led zep were definitely 1st ballot hall of famers.

DewieCox

mrpink90 wrote:

led zep were inducted in their 1st year of eligibility. i know they were inducted in 1995 and their 1st album came out in 1969, so thats 26 years, but sometimes it works out that way (not sure why). bruce was inducted in his 1st year, his 1st album came out in 1973, he was inducted in '99, 26 years also. U2 1st album was 1980, inducted in 2005, 25 years.

dont know why some artists it works out 26 years and others 25, but led zep were definitely 1st ballot hall of famers.

Interesting....well that still leaves KISS, Deep Purple, Iron Maiden and others that are as deserving as our boys still missing and it took Rush a decade to get in.

mr.mac wrote:

Nirvana is a lock. Not sure about AIC.

I think the big Seattle 4 are all locks to get in eventually if not first ballot. Nirvana is a gimme. AiC has been the most influential by a long shot and their recent resurgence is certainly not gonna hurt matters. Soundgarden seems the last likely, but that would be yet another pretty glaring absence.

I think Tool and Radiohead are other locks and STP, Smashing Pumpkins also stand a really good chance.

Tboz51

mrpink90 wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

I'll be curious to see if they get in on first ballot. Some bands that I'd deem as more deserving didn't go in the first year or are still missing. Led Zeppelin didn't go in their first year of eligibility, so I wouldn't be counting any chickens just yet.

Not sure when Nirvana and AIC released their first albums, but they probably won't wanna lump them together to spread out the big names.

led zep were inducted in their 1st year of eligibility. i know they were inducted in 1995 and their 1st album came out in 1969, so thats 26 years, but sometimes it works out that way (not sure why). bruce was inducted in his 1st year, his 1st album came out in 1973, he was inducted in '99, 26 years also. U2 1st album was 1980, inducted in 2005, 25 years.

dont know why some artists it works out 26 years and others 25, but led zep were definitely 1st ballot hall of famers.

LedZepplins first album can be directly cross reference as stolen from other artists. All but one song was lifted from others.

In saying that beyond that first album they are still incredible.

I just wonder if the "borrowing" of others material didnt factor into the first ballot thing?

tribejammer05

Pap wrote:

And of course, I wait Dave Krusen, Matt Chamberlain, Dave Abbruzzese and Jack Irons to be presented.

Would be cool to see Jack inducted with Pearl Jam. That would make him a two-time inductee! (Red Hot Chili Peppers, Pearl Jam)

Jamminonthe1

Nirvana is definitely a lock — just remember, most people think Nirvana is the greatest thing ever, especially when compared to Pearl Jam. Certainly I don't agree with that, but that's just how it is. I think Pearl Jam will get in on longevity.

Brevity is what I think hurts bands like AIC and Soundgarden, though in their few albums they did pack a lot of punch. much like Nirvana. I do believe that Chris Cornell should go in himself. All you have to do is look at his catalog over the past 25 years between Soundgarden, Audioslave, Temple and solo. Of course the resurgence of Soundgarden will play a factor. I think the fact that AIC is just not the same without Layne will complicate things for them.

I find STP to be somewhere in the middle of all this, so I think that will benefit them, especially since they aren't Seattle.

Jamminonthe1

Then again I don't know if Jeff would accept an award for "art."

mrpink90

i think nirvana and pearl jam are the only 1st ballot locks from the 90s. and if youre on the fence about pearl jam, think about how close they are to guys like neil young and bruce and pete townsend and petty, etc. those guys are rock royalty, that will have some influence with the hall of fame committee.

aic, soundgarden, pumpkins, tool, radiohead, etc....i doubt any of them get in the 1st year.

FrankieG

I don't know if they are a lock for the first year or not, but I definitely think they have a better chance for first year than many other bands.

The ceremony might be worth the trip? Start saving up now!

I thought about visiting the R&R HOF this summer, but decided that I need to wait for PJ/Nirvana/Foo Fighters etc to get in.

FrankieG

Eligible on:

Soundgarden - Oct 31, 2013 (Ultramega OK 10/31/88)
Nirvana - June 15th, 2014 (Bleach 6/15/89)
Alice in Chains - Aug 21st, 2015 (Facelift 8/21/90)
Pearl Jam - Aug 27th, 2016 (Ten 8/27/91)

Kimmiebyrom

Mike stated (maybe jokingly?) on That Metal Show that PJ would accept their nomination when KISS was inducted, and that he'd want to do it together. Food for thought.

FrankieG

Would be cool if they inducted all 4 of the Seattle bands on the same year, and just waited for them all to become eligible.

DewieCox

Tboz51 wrote:

LedZepplins first album can be directly cross reference as stolen from other artists. All but one song was lifted from others.

In saying that beyond that first album they are still incredible.

I just wonder if the "borrowing" of others material didnt factor into the first ballot thing?

I sincerely doubt it, as it didn't affect the Beatles or Stones and good portions of their first album contained songs written by others.

I think the whole stolen material thing with Zeppelin is really overblown. It mostly came down to lyrics, as the music was more often quite different I think it comes down to bad management as much as anything. It wasn't just not crediting things, there were instances of crediting things incorrectly.

mrpink90

again, led zep were inducted in their 1st year of eligibility.

Rossum20

DewieCox wrote:

I think the whole stolen material thing with Zeppelin is really overblown. It mostly came down to lyrics, as the music was more often quite different I think it comes down to bad management as much as anything. It wasn't just not crediting things, there were instances of crediting things incorrectly.

This is just not true. They have a handful of songs that are certainly taken from other artists without crediting them. Do they sound a little different? Yes, because Led Zeppelin was playing them and turned them into epic rocknroll songs. Would those songs have been popular if they didn't make them their own? No, of course not. That doesn't change the fact that they did, in fact, steal songs. This isn't like PJ writing Given to Fly, with similarities to Going to Cali. A lot of them were hardly changed at all, just morphed into rock. Do I still love Zeppelin? Hell yea I do. They still wrote plenty of good songs on their own, and they made the songs they took a lot better. So be it. But it happened, it's real, and it was hardly just a lyrical issue.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyvLsutfI5M

Pap

tribejammer05 wrote:

Pap wrote:

And of course, I wait Dave Krusen, Matt Chamberlain, Dave Abbruzzese and Jack Irons to be presented.

Would be cool to see Jack inducted with Pearl Jam. That would make him a two-time inductee! (Red Hot Chili Peppers, Pearl Jam)

:thumbup:

FrankieG wrote:

Eligible on:

Soundgarden - Oct 31, 2013 (Ultramega OK 31/10/88)

My birthday!

FrankieG

mrpink90 wrote:

again, led zep were inducted in their 1st year of eligibility.

Yep: http://www.futurerocklegends.com/1st_Ballot.php

ncbuckeye33

The Replacements aren't in, so the entire HOF is a sham to me!

DewieCox

Rossum20 wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

I think the whole stolen material thing with Zeppelin is really overblown. It mostly came down to lyrics, as the music was more often quite different I think it comes down to bad management as much as anything. It wasn't just not crediting things, there were instances of crediting things incorrectly.

This is just not true. They have a handful of songs that are certainly taken from other artists without crediting them. Do they sound a little different? Yes, because Led Zeppelin was playing them and turned them into epic rocknroll songs. Would those songs have been popular if they didn't make them their own? No, of course not. That doesn't change the fact that they did, in fact, steal songs. This isn't like PJ writing Given to Fly, with similarities to Going to Cali. A lot of them were hardly changed at all, just morphed into rock. Do I still love Zeppelin? Hell yea I do. They still wrote plenty of good songs on their own, and they made the songs they took a lot better. So be it. But it happened, it's real, and it was hardly just a lyrical issue.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyvLsutfI5M

I didn't say they never lifted anything. I said it's overblown b/c lack of credit or crediting incorrectly. All their peers lifted as much or more from traditional blues, folk, and r&b tunes. I've looked at the evidence plenty of times and some people have gotten overzealous with it.

backseatLover12

After what the RORHOF did to Rush and Heart, denying them both for many years, doubts any sort of validity in their organization, in my opinion.

Gern Blansten

If they put Elvis Costello in they had better let AIC in.

narnia

I thought they weren't getting voted in because they took steroids? Oh wait, wrong HoF!

Goatboy

ncbuckeye33 wrote:

The Replacements aren't in, so the entire HOF is a sham to me!

they need to go in now

DewieCox

Gern Blansten wrote:

If they put Elvis Costello in they had better let AIC in.

Like I said earlier, I gotta believe AIC is a lock. How many late 90s early 2000 bands cited them as an influence. There was a pretty big wave of Nirvana clones around the same time, but I think AIC trumped even them.

mr_perfect

sorry all but aic is a pipe dream...(its like saying poison should also be in)

soundgarden and smashing pumpkins are bubble candidates at best imho

pj and nirvana will be 1st time candidates

this is a pretty decent list of who is not in that probably should be

http://www.notinhalloffame.com/rock-and-roll

unfortuately after pj and nirvana it'll start being r&b and rap acts as this music has dominated the mainstream mid 90s to now....