we can stay on the ride with them or get off anytime we like and thats ok by everyone. i would like to request that they play a lot of this cd at their upcoming shows. see what happens.....
we can stay on the ride with them or get off anytime we like and thats ok by everyone. i would like to request that they play a lot of this cd at their upcoming shows. see what happens.....
i'm in it for the long haul. i too hope to hear lots of new songs at the show i go to.
Peace, Love.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
i completely agree.
I feel that they've come a long way and have a long way left to go, as do we all.
life isn't stagnant, it is forever changing.
i would expect nothing less from Pearl Jam.
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definitely agree!
and no matter what i may think of it overall, or some songs....it makes me HAPPY to know this! this band is STILL challenging themselves, not resting on their laurels, still developing musically, taking chances....and still has a LOT to share with us all musically. THAt is an utter GIFT.
i love the fact that i am still diggin all the new music they continue to put out, and if it was ever more of the same they would lose me. i like the challenge and am never let down. ever
it's not exactly like it use to be and IMO that's their strength, not their weakness
and i ABSOLUTELY LOVE the fixer. that tune is still my fave after listening to the new cd twice now. i love everything about that song and it is so far removed from 10/VS its nuckin futs
This album sounds like Into the Wild and Avocado left overs, if anything, it's the first album where they didn't show any evolution at all.
disagree 100%. i think this album is the most "evolutionary" they've done. i think Just Breathe is clearly a ITW leftover, but other than that, these are all unique compared to anything they've done in the past.
definitely agree!
and no matter what i may think of it overall, or some songs....it makes me HAPPY to know this! this band is STILL challenging themselves, not resting on their laurels, still developing musically, taking chances....and still has a LOT to share with us all musically. THAt is an utter GIFT.
BS is far from "challenging" themselves and "taking chances"
definitely agree!
and no matter what i may think of it overall, or some songs....it makes me HAPPY to know this! this band is STILL challenging themselves, not resting on their laurels, still developing musically, taking chances....and still has a LOT to share with us all musically. THAt is an utter GIFT.
BS is far from "challenging" themselves and "taking chances"
i definitely think they are taking chances, but certainly anyone can think otherwise. i will admit, whomever said above it sounds like avocado and itw leftovers, to some degree.....i agree. there is a LOT of familiarity in this album, homage to music of the past, some recycling of sounds they've already made in other songs, etc. however, i still think they do challenge themselves, and i do think this album is taking chances, b/c each time they put a new album out there, especially something like this which so many of us disagree on, well..that's taking chances. disagree? c'est la vie. i am just happy they are still making music and as i've said elsewhere, the fact that the ARE still making music, this is their NINTH album, and that there are a feew real gems on the labum, even if i may find flaws/unevenness on some.....still speaks voumes about their amazing talent!
i kinda feel its not an evolution or change, but an attempt to perfect certain ideas they've been floating around for awhile. its Avocado and ITW that are the sketches, this is the finished product.
I like Backspacer very much, but i would like to see them move on now that they've worked it out.
I think you've summed it up perfectly with the wording of your thread.
This band continues to court positive & negative opinion almost 18 years after their first release, how many other bands can claim to have done that?
Be honest, how many of their albums actually sound the same, when compared to numerous other artists?
There seems to be a lot of negativity around this album from "die hard" fans which puzzles me. Yes we all loved Ten, but bands do have to move on, and so should we.
Backspacer to me sounds like Pearl Jam in 2009, extremely mature, contemporary even, yes there's obvious throwbacks to an earlier time, and a nod to their own influences.
So what if it's only 30 odd minutes long? It's a damn fine 30 odd minutes.
ps: The End, his voice, sublime, maybe that's something for another thread.
pps: It's evolution baby!
I think you've summed it up perfectly with the wording of your thread.
This band continues to court positive & negative opinion almost 18 years after their first release, how many other bands can claim to have done that?
Be honest, how many of their albums actually sound the same, when compared to numerous other artists?
There seems to be a lot of negativity around this album from "die hard" fans which puzzles me. Yes we all loved Ten, but bands do have to move on, and so should we.
Backspacer to me sounds like Pearl Jam in 2009, extremely mature, contemporary even, yes there's obvious throwbacks to an earlier time, and a nod to their own influences.
So what if it's only 30 odd minutes long? It's a damn fine 30 odd minutes.
ps: The End, his voice, sublime, maybe that's something for another thread.
pps: It's evolution baby!
it's funny, it seems to me that the 'die-hard fans' here are pretty evenly split over it, like a lot of art. there seems no shortage of people who think it is the greatest! thing! ever!....right along with those who cry out it is. absolute. shit. and then there are many, many more of us somewhere in the happy medium between the two. i simply think the internet breeds *extreme*......
btw - the fact that it sounds nothing like ten seems to have VERY little bearing on the critiques of the album i have read, so idk why that keeps getting rehashed.
it's funny, it seems to me that the 'die-hard fans' here are pretty evenly split over it, like a lot of art. there seems no shortage of people who think it is the greatest! thing! ever!....right along with those who cry out it is. absolute. shit. and then there are many, many more of us somewhere in the happy medium between the two. i simply think the internet breeds *extreme*......
btw - the fact that it sounds nothing like ten seems to have VERY little bearing on the critiques of the album i have read, so idk why that keeps getting rehashed.
I hope I'm somewhere in the happy medium. The Ten thing is as you say boring, but a lot of people when talking about Pearl Jam normally use Ten in their first few words, and the odd review I've read as per usual mentions it. I was just trying to add to the "evolve" thread. (I love Backspacer by the way).
it's funny, it seems to me that the 'die-hard fans' here are pretty evenly split over it, like a lot of art. there seems no shortage of people who think it is the greatest! thing! ever!....right along with those who cry out it is. absolute. shit. and then there are many, many more of us somewhere in the happy medium between the two. i simply think the internet breeds *extreme*......
btw - the fact that it sounds nothing like ten seems to have VERY little bearing on the critiques of the album i have read, so idk why that keeps getting rehashed.
I hope I'm somewhere in the happy medium. The Ten thing is as you say boring, but a lot of people when talking about Pearl Jam normally use Ten in their first few words, and the odd review I've read as per usual mentions it. I was just trying to add to the "evolve" thread. (I love Backspacer by the way).
i thought you were refering to critiques here on the board, not out in the media. of course out in the media they will always refer to ten, as that is the album that pj is most known for, and the average joe may know as a point of reference. a lot of the same bs gets rehashed in the media, b/c whenever any news of pj get out a quick little refresher for those not fanatics of the band to get up to speed.
i am most definitely in the happy medium, but it seems to me if you are not all-out praising every little thing on this album you are labelled a hater. that is unfortunate. slapping on labels arbitrarily is rarely wise, and it stifles many excellent discussions. always talking with people who think exactly like you gets dull, i find it far more interesting to learn the hows and whys of people who think differently from me. makes a far more entertining discussion, sometimes sways my opinions, oftentimes opens my eyes, and sure...sometimes i walk away unchanged. none the less, if i only tlk to those who think 'just like me'....i may get agreement, but it's most regurgitation of my same feelings...nice to share, but not that interesting for too long.....
i said Backspacer was just pretty good or above average and i think i got called a hater a few times. hahah
Seems to me that most of the people who don't like it are huge RA/Binaural fans more so than Ten fans (me). Personally, i think some of the songs are somewhat pale imitations of older PJ songs, but all in all i really like the album.
i said Backspacer was just pretty good or above average and i think i got called a hater a few times. hahah
Seems to me that most of the people who don't like it are huge RA/Binaural fans more so than Ten fans (me). Personally, i think some of the songs are somewhat pale imitations of older PJ songs, but all in all i really like the album.
yes, exactly...as have i. within very 'reasoned' discussions as well. people see what they want to see. or read.
i don't think any of us actually fit any particular demographic there. my fave album is no code and i am not what you would call a huge ra/binaural fan, at all.....and yea, i like backspacer, but i find it uneven, and sure some of it....just doesn't do it for me. as ever, c'est la vie...plenty of pj to love!
Yeah, when there are 2 or maybe 3 mildly negative threads everyone loses their mind and is ready to commit suicide because of 'all the haters'. ridiculous.
Backspacer's reception has been overwhelmingly positive so far.
yeah. when there are 2 or maybe 3 mildly negative threads everyone loses their mind and is ready to commit mass suicide because of 'all the haters'. ridiculous.
Backspacer's reception has been overwhelmingly positive so far.
that's what i see, overall...but of course, being a hater ....my perspective might be skewed....
God forbid, I wish I hadn't posted.
My personal favourite album, I don't know, Vs or No Code?
I never said you were a "hater"
I'm not saying Backspacer is consistent either, Amongst The Waves, I know it's a popular song, I'm not sold yet, Johnny Guitar likewise.
God forbid, I wish I hadn't posted.
My personal favourite album, I don't know, Vs or No Code?
I never said you were a "hater"
I'm not saying Backspacer is consistent either, Amongst The Waves, I know it's a popular song, I'm not sold yet, Johnny Guitar likewise.
huh?
no one, lest of all me...was directing such comments to you, specifically, at all. it just spurred on further discussion. no need to be sensitive. so sure, i am glad you posted.
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i'm in it for the long haul. i too hope to hear lots of new songs at the show i go to.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
I feel that they've come a long way and have a long way left to go, as do we all.
life isn't stagnant, it is forever changing.
i would expect nothing less from Pearl Jam.
Get it now, get enough, before its gone, let's everybody carry on, carry on....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
www.wishlistfoundation.org
WE WANT YOU!!!!
join the street team
http://wishlistfoundation.fancorps.com
"headphones are highly recommended...." Jeff Ament
definitely agree!
and no matter what i may think of it overall, or some songs....it makes me HAPPY to know this! this band is STILL challenging themselves, not resting on their laurels, still developing musically, taking chances....and still has a LOT to share with us all musically. THAt is an utter GIFT.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
it's not exactly like it use to be and IMO that's their strength, not their weakness
and i ABSOLUTELY LOVE the fixer. that tune is still my fave after listening to the new cd twice now. i love everything about that song and it is so far removed from 10/VS its nuckin futs
disagree 100%. i think this album is the most "evolutionary" they've done. i think Just Breathe is clearly a ITW leftover, but other than that, these are all unique compared to anything they've done in the past.
but again, it's all opinion i guess.
BS is far from "challenging" themselves and "taking chances"
i definitely think they are taking chances, but certainly anyone can think otherwise. i will admit, whomever said above it sounds like avocado and itw leftovers, to some degree.....i agree. there is a LOT of familiarity in this album, homage to music of the past, some recycling of sounds they've already made in other songs, etc. however, i still think they do challenge themselves, and i do think this album is taking chances, b/c each time they put a new album out there, especially something like this which so many of us disagree on, well..that's taking chances. disagree? c'est la vie. i am just happy they are still making music and as i've said elsewhere, the fact that the ARE still making music, this is their NINTH album, and that there are a feew real gems on the labum, even if i may find flaws/unevenness on some.....still speaks voumes about their amazing talent!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I like Backspacer very much, but i would like to see them move on now that they've worked it out.
This band continues to court positive & negative opinion almost 18 years after their first release, how many other bands can claim to have done that?
Be honest, how many of their albums actually sound the same, when compared to numerous other artists?
There seems to be a lot of negativity around this album from "die hard" fans which puzzles me. Yes we all loved Ten, but bands do have to move on, and so should we.
Backspacer to me sounds like Pearl Jam in 2009, extremely mature, contemporary even, yes there's obvious throwbacks to an earlier time, and a nod to their own influences.
So what if it's only 30 odd minutes long? It's a damn fine 30 odd minutes.
ps: The End, his voice, sublime, maybe that's something for another thread.
pps: It's evolution baby!
it's funny, it seems to me that the 'die-hard fans' here are pretty evenly split over it, like a lot of art. there seems no shortage of people who think it is the greatest! thing! ever!....right along with those who cry out it is. absolute. shit. and then there are many, many more of us somewhere in the happy medium between the two. i simply think the internet breeds *extreme*......
btw - the fact that it sounds nothing like ten seems to have VERY little bearing on the critiques of the album i have read, so idk why that keeps getting rehashed.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I hope I'm somewhere in the happy medium. The Ten thing is as you say boring, but a lot of people when talking about Pearl Jam normally use Ten in their first few words, and the odd review I've read as per usual mentions it. I was just trying to add to the "evolve" thread. (I love Backspacer by the way).
i thought you were refering to critiques here on the board, not out in the media. of course out in the media they will always refer to ten, as that is the album that pj is most known for, and the average joe may know as a point of reference. a lot of the same bs gets rehashed in the media, b/c whenever any news of pj get out a quick little refresher for those not fanatics of the band to get up to speed.
i am most definitely in the happy medium, but it seems to me if you are not all-out praising every little thing on this album you are labelled a hater. that is unfortunate. slapping on labels arbitrarily is rarely wise, and it stifles many excellent discussions. always talking with people who think exactly like you gets dull, i find it far more interesting to learn the hows and whys of people who think differently from me. makes a far more entertining discussion, sometimes sways my opinions, oftentimes opens my eyes, and sure...sometimes i walk away unchanged. none the less, if i only tlk to those who think 'just like me'....i may get agreement, but it's most regurgitation of my same feelings...nice to share, but not that interesting for too long.....
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Seems to me that most of the people who don't like it are huge RA/Binaural fans more so than Ten fans (me). Personally, i think some of the songs are somewhat pale imitations of older PJ songs, but all in all i really like the album.
yes, exactly...as have i. within very 'reasoned' discussions as well. people see what they want to see. or read.
i don't think any of us actually fit any particular demographic there. my fave album is no code and i am not what you would call a huge ra/binaural fan, at all.....and yea, i like backspacer, but i find it uneven, and sure some of it....just doesn't do it for me. as ever, c'est la vie...plenty of pj to love!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Yeah, when there are 2 or maybe 3 mildly negative threads everyone loses their mind and is ready to commit suicide because of 'all the haters'. ridiculous.
Backspacer's reception has been overwhelmingly positive so far.
that's what i see, overall...but of course, being a hater
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Challenging.. probably not. Taking chances.. certainly.
My personal favourite album, I don't know, Vs or No Code?
I never said you were a "hater"
I'm not saying Backspacer is consistent either, Amongst The Waves, I know it's a popular song, I'm not sold yet, Johnny Guitar likewise.
huh?
no one, lest of all me...was directing such comments to you, specifically, at all. it just spurred on further discussion. no need to be sensitive.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
*group hug*
see, even here...for all of us....it's evolution, baby!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow