Foo's vs Nirvana

yellowled24
yellowled24 Posts: 3,118
edited March 2008 in Other Music
Do you think Nirvana would've been more famous than Foo Fighters if Kurt was still alive?
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  • markymark550
    markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,224
    Wrong forum, but...

    If Kurt was still alive, I'm not so sure that the Foo's would even be in existence as a band.

    You never know how changing history would have affected the present....
  • NY PJ1
    NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    nirvana blows
  • yellowled24
    yellowled24 Posts: 3,118
    markymark550 wrote:
    Wrong forum, but...

    If Kurt was still alive, I'm not so sure that the Foo's would even be in existence as a band.

    You never know how changing history would have affected the present....
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  • inmyrvm
    inmyrvm Posts: 1,039
    nirvana is one of the most overrated bands ever. i much prefer the foos. all in all now though, i prefer neither. foos aren't very good anymore (haven't like the last few albums) and they always skip over pittsburgh (i remember a certain lead singer promising to come back in 03, we're still waiting............)
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  • yellowled24
    yellowled24 Posts: 3,118
    inmyrvm wrote:
    nirvana is one of the most overrated bands ever. i much prefer the foos. all in all now though, i prefer neither. foos aren't very good anymore (haven't like the last few albums) and they always skip over pittsburgh (i remember a certain lead singer promising to come back in 03, we're still waiting............)
    Over where I am, their songs get thrashed on the radio! Though saying that, Nirvana is on atleast once a day.
    I just wondered if Nirvana was so famous because of the fact Kurt killed himself? If Dave Grohl killed himself, would Foo's popularity rise more than if he stayed alive? Is this a shallow way to be famous??? Does it mean more, or less?
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  • dirtyT
    dirtyT Posts: 3,620
    inmyrvm wrote:
    nirvana is one of the most overrated bands ever. i much prefer the foos. all in all now though, i prefer neither. foos aren't very good anymore (haven't like the last few albums) and they always skip over pittsburgh (i remember a certain lead singer promising to come back in 03, we're still waiting............)
    I agree in Nirvana being overrated, maybe Kurt was overrated. I think Dave Grohl is a much better musician. Despite Kurt's death, I think dave Grohl was on his way out. Kurt's death simply just sped up him creating a new band.

    Having said all that, Nirvana did open a lot of doors for many other great bands like PJ. Many bands that came through that door were better, much like what the Beatles did in the 60's, opened a door in which better bands came through. MO
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    dirtyT wrote:
    I agree in Nirvana being overrated, maybe Kurt was overrated. I think Dave Grohl is a much better musician. Despite Kurt's death, I think dave Grohl was on his way out. Kurt's death simply just sped up him creating a new band.

    Having said all that, Nirvana did open a lot of doors for many other great bands like PJ. Many bands that came through that door were better, much like what the Beatles did in the 60's, opened a door in which better bands came through. MO


    I agree in that I think Dave wasn't going to be in Nirvana much longer. He was already working on the material that became the first Foo album. If he'd have stayed in Nirvana, it would have really held him back as a musician.
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  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    yellowled24 wrote:
    I just wondered if Nirvana was so famous because of the fact Kurt killed himself? If Dave Grohl killed himself, would Foo's popularity rise more than if he stayed alive?

    No to both questions.

    I'm not a big Nirvana fan, but Cobain's influence when he was alive was much greater than Grohl's has ever been. Grohl is very talented (as much, maybe more than Cobain musically speaking), but it's extremely rare for that many people to connect so personally with an artist like they connected with Cobain. That's why Nirvana was so popular...their legacy has little to do with his premature death.
  • DOSW
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    Boring generic hard rock music with no personality vs edgy, raw, tortured, brutal grungey awesomeness.

    Tough call there.
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,005
    yellowled24 wrote:
    Do you think Nirvana would've been more famous than Foo Fighters if Kurt was still alive?

    umm.....there's a chance that Foo Fighters wouldn't even exist if Kurt was still alive
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  • pjoasisrule
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    DOSW wrote:
    Boring generic hard rock music with no personality vs edgy, raw, tortured, brutal grungey awesomeness.

    Tough call there.

    I totally agree, too many people saying how overrated Nirvana is. Whether you like them or not, you cannot deny how important Nirvana are. I dont think I could listen to Nirvana every single day but they are a timeless band with some of the best songs and albums of our generation, I just cant understand how somebody could completely hate them. Foo Fighters are boring, seems like they release the same song over and over again. Dave Grohl was way better as the drummer for Nirvana than is the frontman of Foo Fighters.
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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    DOSW wrote:
    Boring generic hard rock music with no personality vs edgy, raw, tortured, brutal grungey awesomeness.

    Tough call there.
    This is an argument about the Foos and Nirvana, not the Foos and an edgy, raw, tortured, brutal, grungey awesome band ;)

    Seriously though. Nirvana never made anything that comes near to "brutal". Even the most harrowing of Kurt's songs had either a pop sensibility or was just insanely contrived and naive. His best songs were the ones that displayed his love for guitar pop music like the Vaselines. Nirvana's version of Son of a Gun is better than any crap like "Rape Me".
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  • bubbamackdaddy69
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    I liked Nirvana alot and don't really like the Foos at all.. just don't like the style , too radio(ish) for me and plain.
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  • pjoasisrule
    pjoasisrule Posts: 3,412
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    This is an argument about the Foos and Nirvana, not the Foos and an edgy, raw, tortured, brutal, grungey awesome band ;)

    Seriously though. Nirvana never made anything that comes near to "brutal". Even the most harrowing of Kurt's songs had either a pop sensibility or was just insanely contrived and naive. His best songs were the ones that displayed his love for guitar pop music like the Vaselines. Nirvana's version of Son of a Gun is better than any crap like "Rape Me".

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0gzFbqxJ0Y
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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    pjoasisrule wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0gzFbqxJ0Y
    Oh goody. It's Nirvana doing their best Confusion is Sex-era Sonic Youth impression, only with incoherent screaming.

    As nice an idea it is to think that, because of what we know of Kurt, Endless Nameless is some exercise in primal catharsis, in reality, ANY alternative punk band from the 80s could have recorded that.

    Nirvana's truly great moments were songs like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OlxKVa7BHA

    People need to stop affording more importance to the music than it deserves. If you think the songs are great then fine. Listening to endless nameless and calling it edgy and brutal, just because it's Kurt making noise and Kurt is oh so tortured, makes it apparent that you perhaps don't listen to much lesser-known 80s punk bands. Sorry for being presumptious but this is the impression I get. As much as Kurt tried (and to be fair, he gave it a good shot), Nirvana would never be a band like Flipper or Scratch Acid. Kurt was a great song writer but much of his work just seems like a pose.
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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Who knows what direction Kurt's music might have taken, had he gone the Stipe/poppy route he was contemplating? I don't think he would have tamed his muse, though he might have matured his angst into a more perceptive creative focus. He was immensely literate and articulate, and had a lovely sense of a perversely catchy chord sequence, so I think he'd always be making music people liked, and admired for being "awake". In comparison, the Foos are a bit your-TV-with-the-sound-down and palatable, for my tastes. Even at thirty-five I like a bit of crazy nasty scary holyshitness in music, which can be there in the best pop too, but the Foos are a bit too inoffensive to keep my attention.
  • pjoasisrule
    pjoasisrule Posts: 3,412
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Oh goody. It's Nirvana doing their best Confusion is Sex-era Sonic Youth impression, only with incoherent screaming.

    As nice an idea it is to think that, because of what we know of Kurt, Endless Nameless is some exercise in primal catharsis, in reality, ANY alternative punk band from the 80s could have recorded that.

    Nirvana's truly great moments were songs like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OlxKVa7BHA

    People need to stop affording more importance to the music than it deserves. If you think the songs are great then fine. Listening to endless nameless and calling it edgy and brutal, just because it's Kurt making noise and Kurt is oh so tortured, makes it apparent that you perhaps don't listen to much lesser-known 80s punk bands. Sorry for being presumptious but this is the impression I get. As much as Kurt tried (and to be fair, he gave it a good shot), Nirvana would never be a band like Flipper or Scratch Acid. Kurt was a great song writer but much of his work just seems like a pose.


    You sound like a hipster. Just because Nirvana was popular does not mean that they werent edgy and brutal. Just because somebody was edgy and brutal before Nirvana doesnt take away from them being the same. I know that Nirvanas best songs were their rock songs that were full of hooks but I think basically everything they made was great.
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  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    dave has done alright with his band.........too bad kurt didn't recognise his talents as a songwriter while he was in Nirvana. They could have written songs together, Cobain/Grohl. They could have been the grunge version of Lennon/McCartney.......
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  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    People need to stop affording more importance to the music than it deserves.
    The music only deserves as much attention as it gets though. No more, no less.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Who knows what direction Kurt's music might have taken, had he gone the Stipe/poppy route he was contemplating? I don't think he would have tamed his muse, though he might have matured his angst into a more perceptive creative focus. He was immensely literate and articulate, and had a lovely sense of a perversely catchy chord sequence, so I think he'd always be making music people liked, and admired for being "awake". In comparison, the Foos are a bit your-TV-with-the-sound-down and palatable, for my tastes. Even at thirty-five I like a bit of crazy nasty scary holyshitness in music, which can be there in the best pop too, but the Foos are a bit too inoffensive to keep my attention.

    and in 8 years youll still feel that way i imagine. just like i do. :D

    the best thing about foos are their videos. i like them well enough but i agree, they are too inoffensive to hold my attention for any longer than it takes for dave to don a wig and dress and ogle either himself or taylor hawkins in drag. :p:D

    oh anything after TCATS just doesnt cut it for me. that was the best they were ever gonna be imho.
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