I Can't Find A Good Tone

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  • HailHailVitalogy
    HailHailVitalogy Posts: 6,021
    Thanks for the advise. I have somewhat the same settings on the BD-2 but my gain was never 3 or 4 on the amp, it was usually 7. My problem is that I can't crank it in this apartment. So I wait for the middle of the day when everyone is out and at work.

    I found a really really nice low gain tone, somewhat PJ soundish but cool. I used my hollowbody for it and it sounds great.

    I'll mess around with it some more.

    Anyway, I got a birthday coming up so I thought I would get a new treat...I was thinking between.

    Menatone Red Snapper, Menatone Dirty Blonde, BJF Pink Purple Fuzz, BJF Baby Blue, or Lovepedal Magicboy

    hehe
    2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin, Wrigley 2 | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2 | 2024: Las Vegas 1, Seattle x2, Indy, MSG x2, Philly x2, Baltimore, Ohana 2 | 2025: Florida x2, Atlanta x2, Pittsburgh x2
  • HailHailVitalogy
    HailHailVitalogy Posts: 6,021
    Has anyone seen how much the Traynors are going for now? My amp is now 720$, when I got mine it was in the low 600s, I got mine for 450. Even the 20watt version of my amp is now 610$. WOW.

    Dirty your amp is now 840$

    I think they realized they are getting really popular so they are upping the price
    2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin, Wrigley 2 | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2 | 2024: Las Vegas 1, Seattle x2, Indy, MSG x2, Philly x2, Baltimore, Ohana 2 | 2025: Florida x2, Atlanta x2, Pittsburgh x2
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    HailHailVitalogy wrote:
    Thanks for the advise. I have somewhat the same settings on the BD-2 but my gain was never 3 or 4 on the amp, it was usually 7. My problem is that I can't crank it in this apartment. So I wait for the middle of the day when everyone is out and at work.

    I found a really really nice low gain tone, somewhat PJ soundish but cool. I used my hollowbody for it and it sounds great.

    I'll mess around with it some more.

    Anyway, I got a birthday coming up so I thought I would get a new treat...I was thinking between.

    Menatone Red Snapper, Menatone Dirty Blonde, BJF Pink Purple Fuzz, BJF Baby Blue, or Lovepedal Magicboy

    hehe

    Don't worry, it takes a while to find the right thing and hint: you never stop looking anyway :D

    I traded two keeley's and a dynacomp I had modded by Eric to get my EGDM, and it was well worth it.

    Baby Blue is no longer made. I highly recommend you check out the Dynamic Red Distortion BJF DRD it's very marshally. The PPF is great too, and I LOVE the EGDM in my amp. You should be able to get a very fine dynamic distortion at real life levels, by turning down the level knob on the pedal and turning up the gain. They are very expressive and amp like. Menatone has some cool offerings too, I think you'd dig the King of the Britains and you'd probably like the Tone Bone stuff too.
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  • HailHailVitalogy
    HailHailVitalogy Posts: 6,021
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    Don't worry, it takes a while to find the right thing and hint: you never stop looking anyway :D

    I traded two keeley's and a dynacomp I had modded for Eric to get my EGDM, and it was well worth it.

    Baby Blue is no longer made. I highly recommend you check out the Dynamic Red Distortion BJF DRD it's very marshally. The PPF is great too, and I LOVE the EGDM in my amp. You should be able to get a very fine dynamic distortion at real life levels, by turning down the level knob on the pedal and turning up the gain. They are very expressive and amp like. Menatone has some cool offerings too, I think you'd dig the King of the Britains and you'd probably like the Tone Bone stuff too.

    Yeah I know you never stop looking but I just realized the other day (when I made this thread) that this tone isn't me at all, it's not what I want.

    The EGDM sounds great but I don't know if it's me. Tone Bone, I don't care for at all, sound's too fake in my opinion. I was looking at the King Of Britains but the video never loads on musictoyz. I'm not one for the british sounding stuff or the marshall sounding stuff. The only "Marshall sound" I like is the 1974x when its cranked.

    Thanks though Pac
    2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin, Wrigley 2 | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2 | 2024: Las Vegas 1, Seattle x2, Indy, MSG x2, Philly x2, Baltimore, Ohana 2 | 2025: Florida x2, Atlanta x2, Pittsburgh x2
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    HailHailVitalogy wrote:
    Yeah I know you never stop looking but I just realized the other day (when I made this thread) that this tone isn't me at all, it's not what I want.

    The EGDM sounds great but I don't know if it's me. Tone Bone, I don't care for at all, sound's too fake in my opinion. I was looking at the King Of Britains but the video never loads on musictoyz. I'm not one for the british sounding stuff or the marshall sounding stuff. The only "Marshall sound" I like is the 1974x when its cranked.

    Thanks though Pac


    Ah, ok, that's a great starting point, for one the Tone Bone dosen't run at plate levels so it might be a little fake for you, clearly you like a ballsy loud overdriven amp sound. EGDM could be for you actually, but I understand not wanting to spend 300 bucks on a maybe all I can say is that I did and it was worth it. I definately think you are looking for something amplike. The Eternity could be in your ball park or maybe a COT 50 which is the classic plexi type of pedal. One thing you might want to think about is a Hot plate or a DR Z airbrake or Weber Mass so you can crank your amp at home without killing people.

    Basically it sounds like you like what you have but you want a bit more compression gain and sustain out of your amp, that can be accomplished with a good clean boost or treble boost you can adjust the output with your amp level or through a good attenuator, everything sounds best with the attenuator off, but they help a ton in low volume required enviroments.


    One thing you should definately do is go change your strings. Usually when I'm going, uh this is not what I like anymore, I change the strings and feel better.


    http://www.drzamps.com

    http://www.thdamps.com/

    another total output lowering option (still too loud for you though probably) are THD yellowjackets.

    here is the hot plate. http://www.thdamps.com/products/hotplate.htm


    Oh, also you might like to check out DAM out of England, JofZ's buddy who makes this killer little yellow box called the Sonic Titan this could also be up your alley. Sounds very close to what you desire.

    http://www.stompboxes.co.uk/gpage1.html
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  • HailHailVitalogy
    HailHailVitalogy Posts: 6,021
    I'll check all of that out, thanks so much!!

    I think I'm trying to achieve something that will give me a smoothe somewhat high gain overdrive sound for when I need it but also something with less gain like a Gilmour sound, which is probably one of the hardest sounds to re-create. I like the sound of having half-gain and playing some rhythem parts to songs. I want something that will sing to me, ha.

    What I need to do first is get a setup on my SG and fix my strat. My strat is messed up, anything higher than the 12th fret doesn't ring out and no matter how high the action is, it still doesn't work. The neck is straight as well.

    The next thing I think I need to do is take my amp somewhere where I can turn it up to volume 4 or 5. (I played at our school auditorium which holds about 2200 people and at volume 5 everyone could hear it, it wasn't even miked up.) That way I can find the real sound of the amp and work with it. I may do that today actually...after that I will see what I think I "need" to improve my tone. The one thing I wish I had and although I say it a lot is a master volume. I played a Rivera amp in a guitar shop once and I had the master only on volume one but the channel volume at 8 or so. Sounded great for me, I started playing "Animal" and I was in love. If only I knew about that amp before I got this one. But this Traynor is great for me right now. It's very versitile, I've gone through so many sounds the past year and it has aloud for it to happen. I don't think I've used this amp to its potential yet.
    2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin, Wrigley 2 | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2 | 2024: Las Vegas 1, Seattle x2, Indy, MSG x2, Philly x2, Baltimore, Ohana 2 | 2025: Florida x2, Atlanta x2, Pittsburgh x2
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    ah yes, the nice big round full distortion sound.

    Indeed, I am a big fan of the Rivera Chubster too. He was a very innovative guy when he worked for Fender and I'm sure he still is, I always have fun when I can find a rake head and sit in a private room and play stuff, but your Traynor is a very good amp too, especially for the money.

    You should try and talk to Bjorn or Dean Farley about what you are looking for reguarding Gilmore. My guess is that the PPF is the one, and it's certainly one of the best fuzzes out there, but it never hurts to get 2nd 3rd and 25th opinions. You're talking to the king of procrastination and wait and see if something better comes up. :D

    The hot plate is a very good option and investment for you I think, the tone switches help the attenuated tone, and you can get the sound you want out of it at the level you need, it's very gig worthy.

    I need one too actually, I don't like the tone through my mini mass.
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  • HailHailVitalogy
    HailHailVitalogy Posts: 6,021
    Yeah the Hot Plate looks very nice.

    Thanks for all the info Pac.

    I leave today to visit my dad in Virginia and then I get to go to Camden this weekend :D. There is a good guitar store down near him so I'm going to see if they have the hot plate or anything relative to it.

    I'll do my research on this stuff sometime tonite or during the day tomorrow. I appreciate it all!

    :)
    2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin, Wrigley 2 | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2 | 2024: Las Vegas 1, Seattle x2, Indy, MSG x2, Philly x2, Baltimore, Ohana 2 | 2025: Florida x2, Atlanta x2, Pittsburgh x2
  • HailHailVitalogy
    HailHailVitalogy Posts: 6,021
    hehe...

    i just found almost what I'm looking for :D

    Gain is always set at 5.5...

    Now I will do this in terms of PJ since everyone knows their songs (as opposed to me using other songs, you will see)

    Dirt channel by itself...Not For You, Corduroy, Immortality, Wishlist, Last Kiss

    Dirt with BD-2 at half gain....Life Wasted, Leavin Here, Alive, Rearview Mirror

    Dirt with OCD at about 2'oclock....Animal, DTE, Spin The Black Circle

    I think you get the idea :)...when i play either the BD-2 or OCD over the gain channel it sounds similar but not the same, I have to change that a little around but as of now I'm a bit more satisfied

    I forgot about one major feature on my amp...THE BOOST...I think I forgot about it because it doesn't work on my footswitch, you can get amazing tones out of that.
    2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin, Wrigley 2 | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2 | 2024: Las Vegas 1, Seattle x2, Indy, MSG x2, Philly x2, Baltimore, Ohana 2 | 2025: Florida x2, Atlanta x2, Pittsburgh x2
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    cool, have you ever tried, running the BD2 and OCD toegther? Or maybe even swapping the order around?

    Boost is very nice. :D
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  • HailHailVitalogy
    HailHailVitalogy Posts: 6,021
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    cool, have you ever tried, running the BD2 and OCD toegther? Or maybe even swapping the order around?

    Boost is very nice. :D

    Boost rules!!! It gives me that live Present Tense tone, which is lovely!

    Yeah I have tried running them together, it's not bad but I wouldn't use it. When the OCD is run through the clean channel it has a lot more crunch to it as opposed to when it is run over my overdrive channel, it gets very smoothe, probably because my overdrive channel is smoothe. So with the OCD having more crunch, and mixing it with the BD-2 which is a crunch pedal, it sounds a little awkward but not bad.
    2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin, Wrigley 2 | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2 | 2024: Las Vegas 1, Seattle x2, Indy, MSG x2, Philly x2, Baltimore, Ohana 2 | 2025: Florida x2, Atlanta x2, Pittsburgh x2
  • HailHailVitalogy
    HailHailVitalogy Posts: 6,021
    Hey Pac I was looking up the Hot Plate and Airbrake a little this morning. Do you know how much they go for? It would be nice to have the tone of my amp cranked at a low volume.

    I think as for the Overdrive/Distortion pedals I was looking into... the PPF is probably my first choice but the Dirty Blonde is next and then the Red Snapper. I'm going to look into these a bit more. I think I should satisfy my Overdrive sound before I experiment with a Vibe unit.
    2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin, Wrigley 2 | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2 | 2024: Las Vegas 1, Seattle x2, Indy, MSG x2, Philly x2, Baltimore, Ohana 2 | 2025: Florida x2, Atlanta x2, Pittsburgh x2

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