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  • mogwai
    mogwai Posts: 141
    Mr 62Strat It isn't Dave Abruzeese playing in Ten....It's Dave Kruesen...
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  • duggro
    duggro Posts: 1,343
    man, matt cameron is the best drummer pearl jam has had. whats the deal with people saying he is "too technical" thats just such a weird thing to say?!

    he is technically good at what he plays and that only makes the music better. his live performance is also phenomenal and equalled by no other pearl jam drummer in terms of ability or stamina.

    jack irons' playing on albums was weak and frequently poor in my opinion with his patterns between toms and bass drum leaving A LOT to be desired. he just didnt fit the band in terms of look, sound or feel either.

    and also, it was dave Abbruzzese who did the drumming on animal, not jack irons.

    it went:

    original demos- matt cameron
    ten: dave krusen
    vs and vitalogy: dave abbruzzese
    no code and yield: jack irons
    binaural, riot act, lost dogs etc: matt cameron
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  • mccreadyisgod
    mccreadyisgod Bumfuq, MT Posts: 6,395
    Originally posted by duggro
    man, matt cameron is the best drummer pearl jam has had. whats the deal with people saying he is "too technical" thats just such a weird thing to say?!

    he is technically good at what he plays and that only makes the music better. his live performance is also phenomenal and equalled by no other pearl jam drummer in terms of ability or stamina.

    jack irons' playing on albums was weak and frequently poor in my opinion with his patterns between toms and bass drum leaving A LOT to be desired. he just didnt fit the band in terms of look, sound or feel either.

    and also, it was dave Abbruzzese who did the drumming on animal, not jack irons.

    it went:

    original demos- matt cameron
    ten: dave krusen
    vs and vitalogy: dave abbruzzese
    no code and yield: jack irons
    binaural, riot act, lost dogs etc: matt cameron

    To be fair, Lost Dogs was a little of everybody.

    And I disagree with your opinion.

    It's not absolute... it's like saying, "I like vanilla ice cream. Vanilla ice cream is the best ice cream ever, period." It's a matter of preference and opinion.
    ...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
  • Matt is my favorite PJ drummer, but how could someone say that Yield would be better had Matt played on it? Ridiculous! Just watch Single Video Theory.
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  • 62strat
    62strat Posts: 638
    Originally posted by mogwai
    Mr 62Strat It isn't Dave Abruzeese playing in Ten....It's Dave Kruesen...


    its been awhile since i read wha ti said, but i dont think i said dave abbruzzzese drummed on ten...

    i probably said something along hte lines of...uh his drumming for the ten songs...i just relate to the drumming on ten with live since krusen didnt tour much with them and basically dave a came in once ten was released...
  • duggro
    duggro Posts: 1,343
    well mccreadyisgod, why do you go on about matters of preference when all i said was "in my opinion". at no point did i say my view was "absolute". surely the whole point of this forum is to post opinions and express views?!

    thats my personal view. fair enough if you dont agree.
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  • Clem68
    Clem68 Posts: 1
    Pearl jam is a Fucking amazing band and Matt is an Amazing Drummer...his fills and his rhythm fit into pearl jam's songs very well...well thats my opnion ne ways
  • My take on Pearl Jam--other than them being one of the greatest bands of all-time--is that they have always been about musical change and growth. Just think of the differences between songs on albums like Vs and then Riot Act, for instance. I think what will make them go down in history is that wide range of songwriting they've been able to create.

    To say that one album would have been better with a different drummer entirely destroys what makes PJ better than everyone else. The change in drummers has helped them not necessarily change their style, but probably more allowed them to write in different ways or use songs that might not have been playable before.

    As a drummer, it's hard to argue against Cameron: the guy is simply too awesome. But so was Jack, in his own way, which was excellent for Mirror Ball, No Code, and Yield. He added a sort of punk thing to those albums that Matt proabably would not have added. But then look at Binaural: a song like Grievance would never have come out like it did if someone other than Matt had played on it.

    They're doing the evolution, baby.
  • quote from mccreadyisgod "To be fair, Lost Dogs was a little of everybody.

    And I disagree with your opinion.

    It's not absolute... it's like saying, "I like vanilla ice cream. Vanilla ice cream is the best ice cream ever, period." It's a matter of preference and opinion"

    perfectly stated. it is an opinion not a mathimatical fact. everyone likes different things. i like the fact that we have so many different styles to listen too. pearl jam is one band that has put out several different albums that are unique in there own way. ac/dc is more of a heard one heard them all type but with pj it's a whole new experience with each album.
  • mccreadyisgod
    mccreadyisgod Bumfuq, MT Posts: 6,395
    Originally posted by alowishis
    ac/dc is more of a heard one heard them all type but with pj it's a whole new experience with each album.

    Hey, you didn't just go knocking AC/DC, did you? I mean, come on... Phil Rudd is a drumming genius!
    ...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
  • Mart
    Mart Posts: 4
    Dave was more of a groove drummer and cam is more of a progressive drummer.
  • I would kill to have a drummer in my band ala Dave Abbruzzese.

    This is my ranking of Pearl Jam drummers:

    1) Dave Abbruzzese (or however you spell it)
    2) Matt Cameron
    3) Jack Irons
    4) Dave Krusen (but I love his drumming on Ten)
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  • Mart
    Mart Posts: 4
    Oh god ya man

    That would be my list aswell
    Dave was by far the best drummer pearl jam had.
  • Mine would have to be:

    1) Cameron
    2) Irons
    3) Krusen
    4) Dave A.

    Dave A., was way too busy with everything, hitting splashes like he was in the Dave Matthews Band or something. Listening to that stuff after several years of listening to other stuff, I think he overplayed a lot. At least Krusen could get into the groove and let others in the band fill up the space instead of him trying to cram every measure with kick drum triplets with accented sixteenth notes on two splashes . . .
  • They all had their strengths and weaknesses. Dave A. gets a lot of flak for how much he uses the cymbals and such but i thought that was cool. :) Jack took a minimalist approach which i think fit what they were doing at the time. Not a flashy guy. it's really too bad he had health problems and stuff. Matt is so reliable! He can keep it going for those long shows! And when he first joined for the Yield tour he had two days notice! That's impressive!

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  • Dave A. made Pearl Jam's Unplugged sound amazing with the cymbal abuse. I mean, just listen to Even Flow!!
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  • I like Jack irons the best

    yield and no code are just amazing, esp. the drums of no code

    I haven't ever really compared the live stuff, though...




    Cameron is an amazing drummer, but, I think, a bit over technical.
    his song writing rocks, though (i love evacuation)
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