I personally would never own a silverface, but since I already have a '65 blackface, I can get a bit snooty about it. I would definitely go pre-CBS, but I'm not sure when the design changed. The '67s are safe, but I'm not sure about the '68s.
I would just go to eBay and find the Vibro Champs, then click the link to watch the auctions of models you like. Then see how much they end up selling for, and keep track. I bought mine for $100 US (the vibrato didn't work, so I got a steal... new $8 tube, and I'm in business) so I'm really not sure of true value. I've seen silverface Vibro Champs from '68 to '74 going for $300-500 US in vintage gear shops... and I've only ever seen one blackface for sale other than mine. I ran into a '69 silverface Vibro Champ at a pawn shop selling for $120. I would've bought it if I hadn't been broke at the time.
...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
Most pawn shops are shit. But there are diamonds in the rough. I got a Marshall JCM 800, a Fender TeleSonic, an Ibanez digital delay, three speaker cabinets (including my prized 4 x 10"), a Gallien-Krueger bass amp head, and the very first guitar I ever owned from pawn shops. Make a round of the two or three best ones in your area every two or three weeks. Keep an eye out, you'll get screaming deals if you do.
...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
Originally posted by mccreadyisgod Most pawn shops are shit. But there are diamonds in the rough. I got a Marshall JCM 800, a Fender TeleSonic, an Ibanez digital delay, three speaker cabinets (including my prized 4 x 10"), a Gallien-Krueger bass amp head, and the very first guitar I ever owned from pawn shops. Make a round of the two or three best ones in your area every two or three weeks. Keep an eye out, you'll get screaming deals if you do.
Probably all stolen from music stores. Sad but true.
Sorry about the Vibro Champ Ex, that's tough, a great amp too. I think you'd be just as satisfied sinking that money into a weber speaker and new tubes.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
Originally posted by Pacomc79 Probably all stolen from music stores. Sad but true.
Well, I sorta doubt that around here, at least... a lot of stolen gear ends up at our pawn shops, but not from music stores. And most people who steal gear would be smart to stay away from pawn shops, our cops actually check there for stolen goods. Really, a lot of my gear has been bought because it wasn't functioning right, and a quick and easy fix got things right. People freak out when stuff isn't working right, so they pawn it... then, a simple tube swap or solder joint and you're jammin'. A few of my toys have been vintage gear in a town that likes new Peavey stuff over old stuff with torn tolex. I picked up a Sunn 6 x 10" cabinet for my bass, loaded with brand-new JBL speakers, for $200! My G-K bass head looks iffy, but sounds great... I got that, in a 6-space SKB rack, for $120. The SKB goes for $149 on Musicians Friend! Like I said, you can get good deals if you know what you're looking for and they don't know what they have.
...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
Originally posted by mccreadyisgod Well, I sorta doubt that around here, at least... a lot of stolen gear ends up at our pawn shops, but not from music stores. And most people who steal gear would be smart to stay away from pawn shops, our cops actually check there for stolen goods. Really, a lot of my gear has been bought because it wasn't functioning right, and a quick and easy fix got things right. People freak out when stuff isn't working right, so they pawn it... then, a simple tube swap or solder joint and you're jammin'. A few of my toys have been vintage gear in a town that likes new Peavey stuff over old stuff with torn tolex. I picked up a Sunn 6 x 10" cabinet for my bass, loaded with brand-new JBL speakers, for $200! My G-K bass head looks iffy, but sounds great... I got that, in a 6-space SKB rack, for $120. The SKB goes for $149 on Musicians Friend! Like I said, you can get good deals if you know what you're looking for and they don't know what they have.
wow, our pawn shops are often more expensive than our music stores.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
Originally posted by Pacomc79 wow, our pawn shops are often more expensive than our music stores.
I see that around here, too... a Fender Squire guitar going for $300... Marshall Valve-state for $800... I just laugh. Typically, it's the vintage gear that's been scratched and scuffed that's cheaper. Which is great for me, 'cause I love vintage gear. But the rest of the people here like crappy new gear over great used gear, so I get the deals.
...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
perhaps it's regional, the pawn shop type music stores outside of atlanta had a few vintage pieces at fucking ridiculous prices. Even the shit they had was way overpriced. I tried to tell the guy that worked in the store why they would be out of business and he didn't listen. Now they are out of business. Too bad.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
It probably is regional... this town is small, the bands that do business here are all country-classic rock cover bands, so Ibanez guitars and Peavey amps. There are a few guys who have nice vintage stuff, but they have what they need, not buying more. I've been in vintage gear stores in Portland, Seattle, LA and Boston, and I've seen some ridiculous prices on used vintage gear. There was a place selling a '66 or so Fender Mustang in gorgeous condition, the paint checked in a beautiful pattern, very little wear, great neck... for $600... if I hadn't been going through a "hate Fender" phase, I would've bought it.
...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
Originally posted by mccreadyisgod It probably is regional... this town is small, the bands that do business here are all country-classic rock cover bands, so Ibanez guitars and Peavey amps. There are a few guys who have nice vintage stuff, but they have what they need, not buying more. I've been in vintage gear stores in Portland, Seattle, LA and Boston, and I've seen some ridiculous prices on used vintage gear. There was a place selling a '66 or so Fender Mustang in gorgeous condition, the paint checked in a beautiful pattern, very little wear, great neck... for $600... if I hadn't been going through a "hate Fender" phase, I would've bought it.
yeah I've found that you can get those mustangs fairly cheap around here too. Usually they are beat to hell but that looks so cool anyway.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
Originally posted by Pacomc79 yeah I've found that you can get those mustangs fairly cheap around here too. Usually they are beat to hell but that looks so cool anyway.
i bought my '70 for ~US$650 about 4 years ago here. mustangs just aren't worth much according to the price books.
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in all seriousness, how much are they worth?
there's a 68 silverface out there too. i believe that pre-dated the changes CBS started making.
I would just go to eBay and find the Vibro Champs, then click the link to watch the auctions of models you like. Then see how much they end up selling for, and keep track. I bought mine for $100 US (the vibrato didn't work, so I got a steal... new $8 tube, and I'm in business) so I'm really not sure of true value. I've seen silverface Vibro Champs from '68 to '74 going for $300-500 US in vintage gear shops... and I've only ever seen one blackface for sale other than mine. I ran into a '69 silverface Vibro Champ at a pawn shop selling for $120. I would've bought it if I hadn't been broke at the time.
there is a real 65 deluxer reverb sitting at $1100 right now. yikes.
i've tried a couple times but found nothing but shit here.
Probably all stolen from music stores. Sad but true.
Sorry about the Vibro Champ Ex, that's tough, a great amp too. I think you'd be just as satisfied sinking that money into a weber speaker and new tubes.
Well, I sorta doubt that around here, at least... a lot of stolen gear ends up at our pawn shops, but not from music stores. And most people who steal gear would be smart to stay away from pawn shops, our cops actually check there for stolen goods. Really, a lot of my gear has been bought because it wasn't functioning right, and a quick and easy fix got things right. People freak out when stuff isn't working right, so they pawn it... then, a simple tube swap or solder joint and you're jammin'. A few of my toys have been vintage gear in a town that likes new Peavey stuff over old stuff with torn tolex. I picked up a Sunn 6 x 10" cabinet for my bass, loaded with brand-new JBL speakers, for $200! My G-K bass head looks iffy, but sounds great... I got that, in a 6-space SKB rack, for $120. The SKB goes for $149 on Musicians Friend! Like I said, you can get good deals if you know what you're looking for and they don't know what they have.
wow, our pawn shops are often more expensive than our music stores.
I see that around here, too... a Fender Squire guitar going for $300... Marshall Valve-state for $800... I just laugh. Typically, it's the vintage gear that's been scratched and scuffed that's cheaper. Which is great for me, 'cause I love vintage gear. But the rest of the people here like crappy new gear over great used gear, so I get the deals.
yeah I've found that you can get those mustangs fairly cheap around here too. Usually they are beat to hell but that looks so cool anyway.
however, it's an awesome time to start selling stuff.
i bought my '70 for ~US$650 about 4 years ago here. mustangs just aren't worth much according to the price books.