Open Letter to Mr. Vedder

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  • I'm sure your puplis will remeber you for as long as they live. I would have, if any of my teachers had come with such a wonderful present.

    I love most of PJ's songs, but Black is my all times favorite. I was just reading your thread about the tags Eddie's been adding to ït during these years.Again, very interesting points of view.
    His boots are thunder as he plays.
  • I, too, hold a deep reverence for Black. It reminds me of so much, both good and bad. I think that it's one of the most powerful, living-pieces of modern poetry that we have in the classroom.....it is the pulse of our collective youth.

    Thanks for your kind words, MollyGrue.

    Matthew
    MollyGrue wrote:
    I'm sure your puplis will remeber you for as long as they live. I would have, if any of my teachers had come with such a wonderful present.

    I love most of PJ's songs, but Black is my all times favorite. I was just reading your thread about the tags Eddie's been adding to ït during these years.Again, very interesting points of view.
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
  • joewalshdc wrote:
    hey man, amazing letter...its great to grasp a song, or a lyric and interpret it. I reckon Ed will love your letter but may have a different take on it, as may i or anyone else who loves the song. Your letter was pretty inspirational. Beautiful work. I actually have all the lyrics to Black tattooed on my arm. Its truly a mindblowing lyric.

    Peace from New Zealand


    You really do have a nice singing voice!

    Matthew
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
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    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
  • 3.5 months and counting until I do the "Black" unit again with this year's 8th graders. I can only hope that this year's bunch of kids enjoys the "Black" unit as much as last year's kids enjoyed it. I know I enjoyed teaching it, and I hope they enjoy taking part in it.

    Matt
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
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    3.5 months and counting until I do the "Black" unit again with this year's 8th graders. I can only hope that this year's bunch of kids enjoys the "Black" unit as much as last year's kids enjoyed it. I know I enjoyed teaching it, and I hope they enjoy taking part in it.

    Matt


    totally cool i wish my son or daughter were part of your class ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • totally cool i wish my son or daughter were part of your class ...


    It's a really fun unit...and I enjoy getting the kids to think about the literary elements in the song.

    ...just good stuff.
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
  • Posts: 42
    amazing...

    i wish i had you as a teacher!!!
    i waited all day.
    you waited all day..
    but you left before sunset..

    ...should have stayed for the sunset...
    if not for me.
  • is this for real? puleeeeez...............
  • No Way, (why could'nt I have had such a cool teach in high school?! I had to read "the long walk home") I am also impressed at the insight of the students...when i was in high school, i knew the song rocked, but didnt fully grasp it until the breakup with my first real love, a year later.


    Now, you should hit 'em with the Greatfull Dead. Just to fuck them up. 0_o (kidding)
  • Posts: 1,855
    I want Mr. Bruno for my teacher!!!!!!
  • NoBlame wrote:
    No Way, (why could'nt I have had such a cool teach in high school?! I had to read "the long walk home") I am also impressed at the insight of the students...when i was in high school, i knew the song rocked, but didnt fully grasp it until the breakup with my first real love, a year later.


    Now, you should hit 'em with the Greatfull Dead. Just to fuck them up. 0_o (kidding)

    I, too, can relate the song to a bad break up...but, then again, can't we all?

    Matt
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
  • NoBlame wrote:
    No Way, (why could'nt I have had such a cool teach in high school?! I had to read "the long walk home") I am also impressed at the insight of the students...when i was in high school, i knew the song rocked, but didnt fully grasp it until the breakup with my first real love, a year later.


    Now, you should hit 'em with the Greatfull Dead. Just to fuck them up. 0_o (kidding)


    KosmicJelli and No Blame, : )

    Thanks!
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
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    No problem...very well written... impressed by such eloquence... kids will be greatful one day they had a teacher like you!
  • Posts: 256
    Again, teacher?

    Dear Mr. Vedder,

    My name is Maryland Teacher. I'm a Maryland English Teacher.
    On behalf of my three 8th grade classes, we have a story to share.

    For the past three years, I have included the lyrics to your song
    "Black" as part of my Journey Through Genres unit. Initially, I
    introduce "Black" as a poem. In the end of the Journeys Through
    Genres unit, I ask the kids if they want to hear "Black" being "read,"
    and I play your song. They always seem stunned when they realize that a
    song is really nothing more than poetry married to rhythm.

    I must admit that teaching "Black" is one of the highlights of my
    year, and the kids love it, too. My students actually whined when I
    took the lyrics back from them (too much to go over during a 45 minute
    block of time). They wanted to know how the "poem" ended: I only
    let them examine the song stanza by stanza, and we only got through the
    first two stanzas during the first day. Never before have I seen them so
    hungry for more. One promising young student even asked for a copy of
    the lyrics. As a teacher, those moments are pure gold. It makes me
    proud to be an educator.

    When we review "Black" we treat it to literary analysis: we go
    over Imagery, Metaphor, Mood, Tone, and Symbolism. In addition, we
    examine the emotional temperature of the piece. The kids seemed to be
    right-on-the-money with respect to the mood of "Black." They both
    felt and appreciated the Narrator's pain as he laments the loss of a
    loved one.

    Here's what we came up with.

    Empty canvas and untouched sheets of clay suggest that something is
    incomplete in the Narrator's life, contrasting the two aspects of his
    life. When she was in his life, the Narrator/artist was able to produce
    his work. Now that the relationship is over, he lacks the steam
    required to continue his art. The words empty and untouched suggest a
    barren, austere emotional climate. They illuminate potential that goes
    empty and untouched.

    Comparing the Antagonist to the sun suggests that she provides heat,
    warmth, and life to the Narrator, the proper "earthen bed" required
    to nourish and promote the flower of happiness, growth, and
    self-actualization. In short, she was everything to him. She completed
    him. This totality can be seen in the fact that the word everything is
    repeated several times during the subsequent portions of the song. The
    line, "Now the air I tasted and breathed, has taken a turn" sharply
    marks Tone. It is the Narrator dropping his mask and speaking directly
    to us about how he feels about his loss. Not only was she his sun, she
    was the air that sustained him. And with the souring of the
    relationship, so sours the air. With the souring of the air comes the
    souring of the Narrator. He gasps for breath, choking on his situation.
    This slow, emotional suffocation is mute testimony to the honesty of his
    pain, his loss, and the slow fragmentation of his security. The
    Narrator can no longer breathe without suffering, and every breath
    haunts him. The fact that he is required to breathe this sour air is an
    ever-present reminder of the Narrator's all-consuming pain.

    When we reviewed the lines, "And all I taught her was everything / I
    know she gave me all that she wore," a few students echoed some of my
    private thoughts. Those lines read as if a young art professor had
    fallen in love with one of his students. Several students from
    different classes came up with that interpretation. The bitter hands
    chafing is testimony to the Narrator rubbing his hands together in a
    compulsive attempt to cope with his loss. The "washing" of the
    pictures is a metaphor depicting the destruction of what was once a
    beautiful relationship. The image of destroying a painting is a
    powerful symbol showing how one feels when love decays. The loss of
    that loved one feels like the destruction of a beautiful work of art.
    The reference to a tattoo suggests that the Narrator's pain is
    permanent. The pain is being compared to a tattoo's ink. Even though
    that pain will fade/run over time, the Narrator feels that it will
    always be there, just like a tattoo.

    I feel that, "I take a walk outside / I"m surrounded by some kids
    at play / I can feel their laughter, so why do I sear?" is one of the
    most powerful lines in literary history. Those words capture the slow
    burn endured by those who are haunted by the fading echoes of true love.
    It's as if the pain is both amplified by and juxtaposed with the
    reminder that everyone around the Narrator has permission to be happy,
    yet he is condemned to what he sees as an eternity of suffering,
    slow-roasting over the white-hot coals of what was, and taunted by what
    will never be. The juxtaposition of beautiful laughter and paralytic
    pain eclipses the Narrator's happiness, highlighting his angst all the
    more.

    The 'twisted thoughts' can be thought of as the manic replaying of
    what the Narrator could have done/should have done to salvage the
    relationship, second-guessing himself and dooming himself to torturous
    self-examination. This self-questioning erodes the Narrator's
    stability, leaving him reeling from his efforts.

    As the Antagonist is being compared to his sun, the line, "How quick
    the sun can drop away" shows a bitter, clipped Tone, capturing the
    sarcastic hemorrhage felt by the Narrator. The sun's dropping is
    testimony to the fact that the relationship is over. Love's glow has
    faded. In her absence, in the sun's absence, the image created is
    that of a man trying to scratch out an existence in a bleak word devoid
    of warmth, light, love, and hope. Trapped within the scattered ruins of his
    own emotional wasteland, the Narrator feels that he is at risk of drying
    out and shriveling up. The Narrator identifies with Sisyphus, condemned
    to an eternity of rolling his emotional boulder up life's steep inclines.

    If the antagonist can be referred to a precious glass statue, then the,
    "...bitter hands that cradle broken glass...," shows how the Narrator
    cannot heal, despite the end of the relationship. The image created is
    that of a masochist who cannot release the sharp fragments of something
    that was once dear to him, trapped within a vicious cycle of
    self-injury: he holds love's broken pieces, and they lacerate him.
    Going against both intuition and friends' sound advice, he hugs it
    again, perpetuating the cycle of self-mutilation. The word cradle
    suggests that the Narrator will pursue any hope, however fleeting, of
    resuscitating the relationship. The fact that the relationship keeps
    slicing him is as powerful as it is self-defeating.

    When the Narrator's world turns to black, he bears his soul, naked to
    the world. He allows the readers a rare glimpse into the true depth of
    his woe. This hurt, this emotional tattoo, ruins all that he sees, all
    that he is, and all that he will ever be. This pain is symbolized by
    the tattoo. His pain is so pervasive that he sees this grief as having
    amputated part of his future, pillorying the hope that tomorrow could
    have brought.

    "Black" ends with a failed coup-de-grace. Unable to admit defeat
    and move on, the Narrator cannot shake hands and walk away. While the
    Narrator recognizes that the Antagonist will be the star in someone
    else's sky, he laments that she will not be the star in his sky,
    agonizing over the fact that it wasn't meant to be. "Why can't it
    be mine?" eliminates any chance of moving on, uprooting any growth
    made towards closure. Buried within the wasteland of his heart, the
    Narrator cannot see that he cannot see beyond the immediacy of it all.


    "Black" captures all the emptiness, all the ache, and all the doom
    felt by most young people when they look back on their clumsy first
    attempts at love. It is my opinion that "Black" is one of the most
    powerful pieces of poetry in the textbook that is our world.

    My 8th grade classes are deeply interested in knowing what inspired
    "Black." From where did it come? From what? That, and they
    just wanted thank the person who found a voice for those who had
    previously suffered in silence.

    Sincerely,

    Mr. Bruno

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  • Hey Matt,

    Loved the interpretation of "Black", one of my favorite PJ songs. My daughter goes to school in Charles Town, WV (10th grade), perhaps you could make the short drive down and teach that unit to her English class. :-)
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  • for sure vedder is a better writer than Faulkner and boy george than Fedor, thanks it's make my day

    Just like in Hollywood, a long time ago they produced movies adapted from great novels, now it's spiderman against the giant sausage man, tomorow they will adapt the happy meal or the next britney spears lyrics it's a worldwide suicide cultural
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    I am the equivalent of an 8th grader and Black is definetely my favourite PJ song. It is deeply moving to a troubled kid as well as anyone else. I loved this song so much that i tributed it in a poem (using lines and stuff). The poem got three 'merits' (like a reward for gd work), and At parents evening my teacher told my parents it was one of the best pieces of work she had seen. I might post it if i can find it.

    P.S Maryland Teacher, you are by far the coolest teacher in existence. I would worship you if you taught me.
  • Posts: 42
    for sure vedder is a better writer than Faulkner and boy george than Fedor, thanks it's make my day

    Just like in Hollywood, a long time ago they produced movies adapted from great novels, now it's spiderman against the giant sausage man, tomorow they will adapt the happy meal or the next britney spears lyrics it's a worldwide suicide cultural

    are you trying to insinuate something?
    black is an extraordinary and exceptionally well-written song...
    i waited all day.
    you waited all day..
    but you left before sunset..

    ...should have stayed for the sunset...
    if not for me.
  • Posts: 162
    one among thousand, it's a good song for me that all, not enough for me to scream about genius, but if you like it, these is your right

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