Daughter --> Leash --> RVM
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Brez wrote:Well hopefully you do now...?
Nah. The songs have similar themes to them, but to say they're all a coherent story is a stretch. There is no concrete evidence that shows they're all one story.
But hell, it's all interpretation. (see my sig)It's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win0 -
DOSW wrote:Nah. The songs have similar themes to them, but to say they're all a coherent story is a stretch. There is no concrete evidence that shows they're all one story.
But hell, it's all interpretation. (see my sig)Come on pilgrim you know he loves you..
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Pearl Jam and toast wrote:I agree about these songs. Though I think a coherant story with Daughter and RVM is very possible.. even likely. The "Shades" reference is a big signal.
Hmmm... now that I think about it, that's very true. That definitely makes the end of Daughter a lot more interesting...It's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win0 -
'why go' and 'leash' are related to one another. ed said so himself.
as to the rest of that stuff i wrote there, it's just an interpretation. it's not a definite fact.
i just tried showing a connection is not improbable.
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goldstar wrote:'why go' and 'leash' are related to one another. ed said so himself.
as to the rest of that stuff i wrote there, it's just an interpretation. it's not a definite fact.
i just tried showing a connection is not improbable.
isn't that the entire beauty about songs?
It is... And now that I think about it, it does make sense. Because "Why Go" was the first song to be written of all the songs that we're talking about here. So it wouldn't make sense to be in the middle of the series (Daughter --> Why Go --> Leash --> RVM). So it would make more sense that they are two separate stories: Daughter --> RVM being one, and Why Go --> Leash being the other.
And the whole time that I had been listening to these songs I had never really noticed the "shades" thing. For some reason I just never thought about it. But one day I saw it on another thread and it smacked me in the face, hence me making this thread. But that is the reason that I am 100% sure that "Daughter" and "RVM" are related... But "Why Go" and "Leash" can be argued upon forever, it just depends on how you look at things I guess.And before his first step... He's off again...0 -
INT: On a more serious note, I asked Eddie about the song, Why Go.
Eddie: The song Why Go Home was written about a specific girl in Chicago who is... I think her mom caught her smoking pot or something. She was about 13 years old and she was just fine. I think her mom thought she had some troubles when I think it was really maybe the parents that were having troubles and the next thing you know, this young girl was in a hospital. They kept her there for quite a long time. She was so strong that she refused to accept many of the accusations of her doing terrible things when she wasn't really doing anything and the next thing you know she was in this ...she'd been hospitalized for like two years. The fact is that this is going on all over the place and this insurance thing that goes on with hospitals and insurance and these kind of counseling...
Stone: Prisons.
Eddie: ...prisons that they set up and it's really something that I think is really addressed subliminally in the song, but it has to be addressed on a bigger level. It happens everywhere and I just hope that someday we're able to change the fact that it is happening.
Stone: If you're below 18, you really have no rights in this country. Your parents can basically stick you in prison if they feel, if they deem it necessary, so that's kind of a frightening thing considering there's a lot of really screwed up parents.
Eddie: So it's called, Why Go Home.
that's from here: http://www.sonymusic.com/artists/PearlJam/echoes/echoes2.htmlLeash was another song (Daughter is the other) that described the painful, regrettable rifts between children and parents who refused to understand or sympathize with them."
"The song (concerning 'Leash') had been written about the same girl that 'why go' on 'Ten' had been written about. Her name was Heather and Eddie remembered what had happened to her with a fierce clarity: 'She was stuck in a home because she was, like, caught smoking pot or something,' he told SPIN magazine. 'This is what they do in Chicago, in the suburbs. That's another thing i should have really said at the MTV Awards, I should have just went up there and said, 'You know, as long as i've got everyone's fucking attention, will you guys start fucking listening to your kids.Will you just please open up your ears and eyes and quit paying so much attention to yourselves, and just spend a little time with your kids, trust them, open yourselves up to what they're going through these days?' 'Instead of doing that, they put 'em in a little hospital, which is a big insurance scam anyway.If the kid has any resilence at all they'll go 'Fuck you, there's nothing wrong with me. My parents are fucking freaks. My mom's a fucking paranoid freak, she gets home from work and sits and watches TV, get all this information bout teenagers from Hardcopy and then takes it out on me. I'm a pretty good fucking kid.' 'Yhis girl Heather was in for two years, two fucking years, and she's one of the smartest kids i knew. Now, Heather finally gets out, but her mom's still doing the same fucking thing, threatening her with putting her back in the hospital. I mean, this girl was 15 ,16 years old, she couldn't be on the phone after 8:00 at night. She couldn't go out, she couldn't spend the night at anyone's house, she couldn't do anything. It was after talking to her again one day that i wrote the song in the car. ' Drop the leash' you know? 'Get out of my fucking face.
that's from melody maker's pearl jam biography by allan jones.
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I think that settles it.
ThanksAnd before his first step... He's off again...0 -
Really fantastic articles/interviews, and not just because it settles this interpretation.
A little off topic, but anyone else get the sense that Ed is going to be a really fantastic father?Come on pilgrim you know he loves you..
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Pearl Jam and toast wrote:
A little off topic, but anyone else get the sense that Ed is going to be a really fantastic father?
That isn't too off topic, considering what the articles were saying and everything about the parents being fucked up and what not. But yeah, after hearing him say this stuff I think he will be.And before his first step... He's off again...0 -
Someone here quoted Ed about the song Why Go and he said that the girl had been caught smoking pot...but the line: ""what you taught me put me here..."
isn't logical...
i'm totally confused with what he said...
pay attention to the storyteller in every song...like Ed suddenly reincarnates this person he's singing about...and the gender isn't significant
1.Why go-"she scratches..."....and after "what you taught me put me here, don't come visit,mother"
2.Daughter-"don't call me daughter not fit to the picture kept will remind me.."
and later he sings "she holds the hand that holds her down"
3.Leash- there is no storyteller,but the line "i proved to be a man"
is also confusing since that someone who quoted Ed wrote that Why Go and Leash are connected
4.RVM-there is no storyteller....but the connection with Daughter is obvious0 -
can try and answer the why go question:
her mom's way of dealing with reality is not dealing with it,
just like smoking pot (in a way - not always! most of the times it just feels good...)
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also,
i'm not sure if daughter has anything to do with why go/leash apart from the
bad parenting theme.
and regarding why go/leash - the chorus (as ed said) derives from heather's story. there's nothing regarding the verses.sign THE petition!!!
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This is, I suppose, a tetralogy about a young teenage girl who has SLD (Specific learning disability) and is abused physically by her step-father and emotionally by both of them. They are both mind-shaping and controlling freaks.
DAUGHTER
It indicates that the girl is indifferent and alone. Because of her disability mother reads aloud and she tries to understand it, she tries to make her proud. The step-father isn’t a bit understanding and he loses his nerves all the time-he’s like a bomb ready to explode-so he beats the hell out of her. The shades go down so that the neighbours don’t see what is going on. When the shadows are down you don’t even notice that the room you’re in is painted-you don’t see life as fun or in color-you see it just from the dark side. Kids with SLD are very creative, capable and smart and the girl is preoccupied with both violins(ence) because the music is her escape from reality, from violence.
He’s not fit to call her daughter. The violence, the anger, the rage that she has seen in his eyes and felt on her skin is a picture that’ll remind her for the rest of her life of that non-worthy person who is nobody and nothing.
She trusts her mother and she relies on her protection but she’s only holding a hand that holds her down, because the mother is by his side.
WHY GO
Now, she has done something that, her mother taught her, has put her in an institution for over two years. The doctor diagnosed her somekind of disease and the mother agreed.
The easy-way-out was this institution to treat her with psychoanalysis and make her weak. She’s stronger and she could play their game –she could pretend to be another brainwashed patient.
She feels alone, angry and she scratches a letter into a wall so, when another controlling parent locks his child in an institution that this child feels relieved and knows that he isn’t the only one who’s going through this stuff.
And now she tries to find a reason to go home-but there isn’t one. Her mother is by her husband’s side, she agrees with the doctor what is absolutely insane, and child’s pain mutates and feels abandoned by her own mother, with whom from now on she doesn’t want to see.
LEASH
The troubled ones should unite, because they understand each other.
Her thoughts are black as fuel. She has found her friends and they have the means to correct themselves, to improve each others, to stray from physical and emotional pain.
She’s lost, she’s no guide, that’s why she sticks to her lover, and she’s by his side.
She stands and it was their idea that she needs to prove to be a man, to prove that you can stand on your on.
Now, they together will find a home within themselves and their place in the society and they delight in their youth.
The parent controlling, the leash needs to be dropped, she need her space, her freedom. Filled with anger and rampage, she yells and roars at the parents.
REARVIEWMIRROR
It’s time to go, to emancipate, and to leave her past behind her.
She’s fed up with the controlling thing and the beatings which made her wise and she doesn’t have a reason at all to give thanks or to even apologize for what she is, what the essence of her existance is.
This violence, mind controlling, this leash was holding her down. The animosity is knotted by fear.
Now, as she runs away she goes through these past events and she knows that the beatings didn’t break her so much as it affected her emotionally. She remembers how she trusted her mother and but turns out that she’s a backstabbing b***h. The girl also realizes that she was a fool playing by her rules.
The more they try to gain her back, the more she gathers speed and segregates from them.
She hardly believes, but the shades are raised!
this is what i'm gonna present on my english tomorrow0
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