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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,560
    igotid88 said:
    Chase will probably get in in 20 years after he's off the writer's ballot. If he gets in 1st ballot that's a slap in the face to the many before him who didn't get in because they "didn't have the numbers".
    He's not on his first ballot - it's 4 or 5 I think. I believe he's trending upwards. I definitely would not consider him a first ballot HoFer.
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 13,086
    edited November 18
    Rollins should be in before Utley.  Rollins’ numbers compared to other shortstops in the Hall are comparable or better. 
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,560
    pjhawks said:
    Rollins should be in before Utley.  Rollins’ numbers compared to other shortstops in the Hall are comparable or better. 
    I mean, I think they should both be in. But Utley seems to have more momentum.

    They were both great fielders. Fuck Gold Gloves - those voters are clueless. We were super spoiled watching that double play tandem.
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  • Wobbie
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    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Chase has got to be a HoFer.
    Chase led the league in one category that would matter over his career. While good and a decent WAR I don't see him making it in.

    Not even a GG.

    He did have 5 great years and 1 good one for the Phils. After that he was average to above average then fell off.
    Your last sentence literally describes a Hall of Famer.
    not igotid88’s boy.
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  • Wobbie
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    Wobbie said:

    You know you've made it when you have haters, lol!
    no one hated Hunter Pence, except maybe the Royals when he hit .444 in the 2014 WS.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 13,086
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    pjhawks said:
    Rollins should be in before Utley.  Rollins’ numbers compared to other shortstops in the Hall are comparable or better. 
    I mean, I think they should both be in. But Utley seems to have more momentum.

    They were both great fielders. Fuck Gold Gloves - those voters are clueless. We were super spoiled watching that double play tandem.
    I don’t think Utley should be in.  And really doesn’t make a lot of sense over Rollins if you look at stats.  In fact I think if you go by great for a short period Ryan Howard  should be in before Utley. I know I’m in the minority of Phillies fans as most have an obsession with Chase.  But that’s my take
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,677
    pjhawks said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    pjhawks said:
    Rollins should be in before Utley.  Rollins’ numbers compared to other shortstops in the Hall are comparable or better. 
    I mean, I think they should both be in. But Utley seems to have more momentum.

    They were both great fielders. Fuck Gold Gloves - those voters are clueless. We were super spoiled watching that double play tandem.
    I don’t think Utley should be in.  And really doesn’t make a lot of sense over Rollins if you look at stats.  In fact I think if you go by great for a short period Ryan Howard  should be in before Utley. I know I’m in the minority of Phillies fans as most have an obsession with Chase.  But that’s my take
    thanks for mentioning him.


    If I had known then what I know now...

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    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
    Missoula 24
  • Johnny Abruzzo
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  • xavier mcdaniel
    xavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,473
    edited November 19
    I guess we'll find out when people who vote look over everything and mail back the ballot.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 42,033
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Chase has got to be a HoFer.
    Chase led the league in one category that would matter over his career. While good and a decent WAR I don't see him making it in.

    Not even a GG.

    He did have 5 great years and 1 good one for the Phils. After that he was average to above average then fell off.
    Your last sentence literally describes a Hall of Famer.
    No that would have to be 10 good to great years.  Perfect example of this is Don Mattingly.  Albert Belle too.
  • tempo_n_groove
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    pjhawks said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    pjhawks said:
    Rollins should be in before Utley.  Rollins’ numbers compared to other shortstops in the Hall are comparable or better. 
    I mean, I think they should both be in. But Utley seems to have more momentum.

    They were both great fielders. Fuck Gold Gloves - those voters are clueless. We were super spoiled watching that double play tandem.
    I don’t think Utley should be in.  And really doesn’t make a lot of sense over Rollins if you look at stats.  In fact I think if you go by great for a short period Ryan Howard  should be in before Utley. I know I’m in the minority of Phillies fans as most have an obsession with Chase.  But that’s my take
    I have argued against Howard too. one dimensional player.
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,560
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Chase has got to be a HoFer.
    Chase led the league in one category that would matter over his career. While good and a decent WAR I don't see him making it in.

    Not even a GG.

    He did have 5 great years and 1 good one for the Phils. After that he was average to above average then fell off.
    Your last sentence literally describes a Hall of Famer.
    No that would have to be 10 good to great years.  Perfect example of this is Don Mattingly.  Albert Belle too.
    Of course it's Don Mattingly. Never change tempogroove!
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 42,033
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Chase has got to be a HoFer.
    Chase led the league in one category that would matter over his career. While good and a decent WAR I don't see him making it in.

    Not even a GG.

    He did have 5 great years and 1 good one for the Phils. After that he was average to above average then fell off.
    Your last sentence literally describes a Hall of Famer.
    No that would have to be 10 good to great years.  Perfect example of this is Don Mattingly.  Albert Belle too.
    Of course it's Don Mattingly. Never change tempogroove!
    I'm not the Mattingly lover here though.

    As much as I loved Rollins I don't think he gets in either.  Out of the 4 phillies of Hammels, Utley, Howard and ROllins, He was the one I thought was the best of them. He had a lot of SB's which I think made his value even higher.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 13,086
    tempo_n_groove said:
    pjhawks said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    pjhawks said:
    Rollins should be in before Utley.  Rollins’ numbers compared to other shortstops in the Hall are comparable or better. 
    I mean, I think they should both be in. But Utley seems to have more momentum.

    They were both great fielders. Fuck Gold Gloves - those voters are clueless. We were super spoiled watching that double play tandem.
    I don’t think Utley should be in.  And really doesn’t make a lot of sense over Rollins if you look at stats.  In fact I think if you go by great for a short period Ryan Howard  should be in before Utley. I know I’m in the minority of Phillies fans as most have an obsession with Chase.  But that’s my take
    I have argued against Howard too. one dimensional player.
    I don't think Howard should get in, but if you argue that players who were great for a short period of time should get in he would qualify.  Half a year in 2005 and won rookie of the year.  The next 6 years won MVP once and was in Top 10 of MVP voting all the other 5 years (1 2nd, 1 3rd in voting),  So damn good 6.5 years.  Would you take those 6 great years over a good long career of say a Harold Baines?  
  • igotid88
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    edited 12:38AM
    Netflix now has the Homerun derby among other games. NBC has baseball for the first time in 26 years( Peacock doesn't count)and ESPN now owns mlb.tv
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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,677
    igotid88 said:
    Netflix now has the Homerun derby among other games. NBC has baseball for the first time in 26 years( Peacock doesn't count)and ESPN now owns mlb.tv
    good. that will save me from the temptation of watching the lame ass HR Derby.
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    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,820
    igotid88 said:
    Netflix now has the Homerun derby among other games. NBC has baseball for the first time in 26 years( Peacock doesn't count)and ESPN now owns mlb.tv
    NBC now has Sunday Night Baseball 
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