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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Collin wrote:
    ... I don't think socialism should be forced onto anyone, I think it should be in the hearts of people and I think it is... it just gets drowned out from early on.

    I'm speaking in broad terms here, but I don't think I'm exaggerating if I say this is a trend. People tell their children from early on they can be anything they want if they work hard enough. They can be number one, just work hard.

    I'm not saying this is wrong, but are they teaching their children it's perfectly normal and ok to be number two or even number 65? Do they teach their children it's not about which position you'll have later on in life but whether or not you are happy and a good person?
    I completely agree.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    rasty10 wrote:
    I'm not racist but a proponent of what is fair based on hard work.

    Well, then you should probably support the redistribution of some wealth.
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  • rasty10
    rasty10 Posts: 68
    Collin wrote:
    Well, then you should probably support the redistribution of some wealth.

    Yes, good point, my last remark is much more complex; many people who work hard still make little money, so it is true that American society rewards people based on other factors as well. We probably have to ask, then, to what extent is the government responsible for supporting people with low paying jobs. It's a difficult question, but there has to be some system that provides rewards. I'm sure Obama isn't going to turn this system upside down, but he is in fact shifting the balance. How much is acceptable? We will see.
    When I lived in what was then communist Czechoslovakia you had neurosurgeons living next door (in an apartment building) to grocery store clerks, which I think is unfair. I'm speaking strictly from a monetary perspective of course; I'm not talking about the value of a person, just from a professional point of view.
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  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    meme wrote:
    Pretty much :)
    But the best part of it is that 99 percent of those up in arms about this socialist policies are not in that minority.

    I guess they want to believe that they will one day be part of the 1%.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    rasty10 wrote:
    We probably have to ask, then, to what extent is the government responsible for supporting people with low paying jobs. It's a difficult question...
    What I see is that this is a flawed question that slants what we 'see', and therefore any inquiry starting from this postion will reap a flawed outcome based on an illusory perspective.

    A government doesn't/can't support anyone. Also, there is a difference between redistribution of wealth and with supporting someone - it's in the way one looks at the situation.

    Keep in mind that I'm not at all for implementing a socialist system. I'm all about looking honestly at situations, without distorting bias, in order to accurately assess things so as to find ways healthy ways to create peace and to reflect equality and fairness within existing natural law.
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    Obama believes in a progressive income tax; I don't really see him endeavouring to bring the nation back to the 'welfare state.' But do his choices have socialistic aspects? Yes, of course they do, because he is left of the dial, and socialism is the extreme left. So although it may be technically true to say of him that his policies are socialistic in some sense, it's as unfair to say that is it is to call John McCain a fascist; it's taking the relative leftist or rightist notions of their proposals and describing them with the most extreme labels possible. It gets the conversation nowhere.
  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    rasty10 wrote:
    Applying this to a Obama controlled white house, it is understandable why some people have drawn a parallel. He WILL redistribute the wealth and it is no coincidence that it will be injected into the lower class as well, which has a very large black population, but that's another story. I'm not racist but a proponent of what is fair based on hard work.
    Applying that means essentially that taxation = socialism and hence every nation in the world at any and all times have been socialist. That devoids the concept of socialism of any meaning whatsoever. Unless McCain proposes to abolish all taxes, he's a socialist too, and so on. There is a very large difference between left-leaning liberals and soviet-style socialists. The "worst" socialists among the democrats are at best social democratic light by any international comparison.

    Point is, if Obama is a socialist, then almost everyone are socialist. Including every republican president in recent times.

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  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    "spread the wealth" I cant wait to give some of my money away.If you dont think that the masiah is not going to raise taxes on the middle class your'e ignorant.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    gvn2fly74 wrote:
    "spread the wealth" I cant wait to give some of my money away.If you dont think that the masiah is not going to raise taxes on the middle class your'e ignorant.
    according to Obama he wont' raise taxes on the middle class. better than republican policies of relying on inflation to keep wages stagnant, moving wealth to the TOP.
  • Lerxst1992
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    Might as well give Mamdaniomnics its own thread. I’ve been busy getting suburban real estate agents to lie about what they’ve been seeing. And for those who like seeing the old names…

    …


    ” New York City’s suburban housing markets are heating up in anticipation of the upcoming mayoral election on Nov. 4.

    Zohran Mamdani, a Democratic Socialist, is leading in the polls, and now field has one less candidate with incumbent mayor Eric Adams dropping out of the race last weekend.

    Mamdani's housing policies have some wealthy residents eyeing the exits to the suburbs.

    Zach and Heather Harrison, Westchester-based real estate agents representing The Harrison Team at Compass, are already tracking a spike in Manhattan residents reaching out about suburban properties. 

    "We are absolutely seeing a correlation between Zohran Mamdani’s surprise win in the Democratic primary and an uptick in real estate interest in Westchester," Zach and Heather tell Realtor.com®. "Since the summer, nearly every buyer from the city we have taken out to see homes in Westchester has mentioned the mayoral election as one of the drivers for shopping in the suburbs."

     https://www.realtor.com/news/trends/mamdani-effect-new-york-city-mayoral-election-westchester-county/

  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,649
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Might as well give Mamdaniomnics its own thread. I’ve been busy getting suburban real estate agents to lie about what they’ve been seeing. And for those who like seeing the old names…

    …


    ” New York City’s suburban housing markets are heating up in anticipation of the upcoming mayoral election on Nov. 4.

    Zohran Mamdani, a Democratic Socialist, is leading in the polls, and now field has one less candidate with incumbent mayor Eric Adams dropping out of the race last weekend.

    Mamdani's housing policies have some wealthy residents eyeing the exits to the suburbs.

    Zach and Heather Harrison, Westchester-based real estate agents representing The Harrison Team at Compass, are already tracking a spike in Manhattan residents reaching out about suburban properties. 

    "We are absolutely seeing a correlation between Zohran Mamdani’s surprise win in the Democratic primary and an uptick in real estate interest in Westchester," Zach and Heather tell Realtor.com®. "Since the summer, nearly every buyer from the city we have taken out to see homes in Westchester has mentioned the mayoral election as one of the drivers for shopping in the suburbs."

     https://www.realtor.com/news/trends/mamdani-effect-new-york-city-mayoral-election-westchester-county/

    Let us know when there’s a big drop in NYC rent. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Bunch of pearl clutching snowflakes. Guy hasn’t even been elected yet and doesn’t have a magic wand. Oh, those poor, poor rich people have to, just have to, move to the suburbs. Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh, rich people.

    What’s a bigger influence on the cost of a home? Interest rates or supply & demand? At least they’ll have their retirement accounts to access the down payment. Poor babies.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,698
    Yeah not sure why people are falling for the magat talking point of "socialism" with Mamdani.

    If the people of NYC think he is the best choice then so be it.
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,160
    We've had socialist policies in this country for decades while maintaining a capitalist driven economy. We'll be fine. Its not a genuine threat. 


    Now fascism and authoritarianism on the other hand...

  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,632
    edited October 9
    Gern Blansten said:
    Yeah not sure why people are falling for the magat talking point of "socialism" with Mamdani.

    If the people of NYC think he is the best choice then so be it.
    At its core it's just more bs, conspiracy theories, dogwhistles, and lies believed and parroted by the brainwashed maga cultists.
    In other words it's  the QtRUmplican hierarchy using fear and ignorance to wind up it's  idiotic base.

    Libtards and socialists and trans people OH My!!!
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,698
    trump just said that drug prices are going to drop 100%, 200%, 500%....looking forward to that
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Gern Blansten said:
    trump just said that drug prices are going to drop 100%, 200%, 500%....looking forward to that

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    But if the government pays you to take free prescription medication, isn’t that socialism?
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  • Lerxst1992
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    Gern Blansten said:
    Yeah not sure why people are falling for the magat talking point of "socialism" with Mamdani.

    If the people of NYC think he is the best choice then so be it.
    We complain often when the primary process provides more extreme candidates


    I'm sure there was a TON of bitching on here when someone like MTG was elected.

    But when it leads to a member of the DSA to get nominated in the primary process, no harm no foul.

     Yeah that's not unbiased politics
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,698
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Yeah not sure why people are falling for the magat talking point of "socialism" with Mamdani.

    If the people of NYC think he is the best choice then so be it.
    We complain often when the primary process provides more extreme candidates


    I'm sure there was a TON of bitching on here when someone like MTG was elected.

    But when it leads to a member of the DSA to get nominated in the primary process, no harm no foul.

     Yeah that's not unbiased politics
    MTG is a mouth breathing idiot. Mamdani is not. Bernie Sanders was very popular as a democratic socialist which is what Mamdani calls himself.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,649
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Yeah not sure why people are falling for the magat talking point of "socialism" with Mamdani.

    If the people of NYC think he is the best choice then so be it.
    We complain often when the primary process provides more extreme candidates


    I'm sure there was a TON of bitching on here when someone like MTG was elected.

    But when it leads to a member of the DSA to get nominated in the primary process, no harm no foul.

     Yeah that's not unbiased politics
    If you think there’s an MTG equivalent on the left, you need to put in more effort. 

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