But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:
Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.
I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing. But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them. Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?
There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.
So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?
In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.
But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:
Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.
I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing. But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them. Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?
There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.
So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?
In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.
Representative
Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) said: “These detainees are living in
cages. The pictures you've seen don't do it justice. They are
essentially packed into cages. Wall to wall humans. Thirty-two detainees
per cage…. There are three tiny toilets that…have a sink attached to
it, so…they get their drinking water and they brush their teeth where
they poop, in the same unit." Nine hundred men are currently in the
facility.
The thing about those toilets is that’s normal for holding facilities. And elected officials only care when it’s convenient for them. Similar facilities were used under Obama, then when Trump used the same ones AOC goes all in on the drinking poop water narrative, then Biden uses them again and it’s all quiet. i haven’t seen pictures of the crowded conditions so I’m not commenting on that, but they should give up the fight about drinking toilet water, because it just isn’t accurate.
It's a stupid narrative and actually does their cause more harm than good IMO, in a country where that is pretty standard equipment for all prisons across the country. If their arguments ar meant to convince people of something, they might do best to leave that part out.
All the rest... deplorable and disgusting. America is fully entering into concentration camp territory, and with all this new funding, such camps are going to spring up all over the place, and honestly, under these circumstances, the likelihood of actual serious sanitation disasters is SUPER high, like where we'll see people literally lying in their own filth. This is all getting worse and worse FAST.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
The nearly monthlong survey conducted in June found Americans disapproved of Trump’s handling of immigration by a wide margin: 62% to 35%. And more than twice as many Americans strongly disapproved (45%) as strongly approved (21%).
The nearly monthlong survey conducted in June found Americans disapproved of Trump’s handling of immigration by a wide margin: 62% to 35%. And more than twice as many Americans strongly disapproved (45%) as strongly approved (21%).
Representative
Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) said: “These detainees are living in
cages. The pictures you've seen don't do it justice. They are
essentially packed into cages. Wall to wall humans. Thirty-two detainees
per cage…. There are three tiny toilets that…have a sink attached to
it, so…they get their drinking water and they brush their teeth where
they poop, in the same unit." Nine hundred men are currently in the
facility.
The thing about those toilets is that’s normal for holding facilities. And elected officials only care when it’s convenient for them. Similar facilities were used under Obama, then when Trump used the same ones AOC goes all in on the drinking poop water narrative, then Biden uses them again and it’s all quiet. i haven’t seen pictures of the crowded conditions so I’m not commenting on that, but they should give up the fight about drinking toilet water, because it just isn’t accurate.
I don't give a shit what administration allows that kind of barbarism. It's being done in America, it's wrong, and that's my point.
And I never mentioned, Trump, Obama, Biden, AOC, or anyone else other than the person quoted. Twist away, baby.
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But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:
Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.
I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing. But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them. Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?
There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.
So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?
In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee
reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the
air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One
account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for
detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the
Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's
whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida
confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the
hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before
acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't
admitted.
But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:
Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.
I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing. But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them. Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?
There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.
So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?
In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee
reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the
air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One
account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for
detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the
Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's
whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida
confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the
hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before
acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't
admitted.
Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.
Representative
Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) said: “These detainees are living in
cages. The pictures you've seen don't do it justice. They are
essentially packed into cages. Wall to wall humans. Thirty-two detainees
per cage…. There are three tiny toilets that…have a sink attached to
it, so…they get their drinking water and they brush their teeth where
they poop, in the same unit." Nine hundred men are currently in the
facility.
The thing about those toilets is that’s normal for holding facilities. And elected officials only care when it’s convenient for them. Similar facilities were used under Obama, then when Trump used the same ones AOC goes all in on the drinking poop water narrative, then Biden uses them again and it’s all quiet. i haven’t seen pictures of the crowded conditions so I’m not commenting on that, but they should give up the fight about drinking toilet water, because it just isn’t accurate.
I don't give a shit what administration allows that kind of barbarism. It's being done in America, it's wrong, and that's my point.
And I never mentioned, Trump, Obama, Biden, AOC, or anyone else other than the person quoted. Twist away, baby.
I wasn’t twisting anything and never said you made those comments. You quoted a congresswoman and I responded to her quote. Those style of holding cells are also nothing new. It’s pretty standard.
But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:
Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.
I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing. But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them. Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?
There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.
So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?
In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee
reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the
air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One
account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for
detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the
Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's
whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida
confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the
hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before
acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't
admitted.
That doesn’t reflect my comments though Brian. i said chain link and the combo sinks in and of themselves. Those are all conditions that can happen with or without that. Most of the pictures I’ve seen include fencing within a larger facility, but not always. Plumbing not working is unrelated to the type of sink.
I’m not defending the use of alligator Alcatraz. Just specifically calling the use of chain link as cages and complaining about the combo sinks is an irrelevant point. It’s standard that’s been going on for years and everyone stopped complaining about it 4 years ago until this year again. I agree with what PJsoul said about the narrative. She said it well, read her comment.
As long as the conditions remain sanitary I have no problem with the fences and sinks. But, as you pointed out, they aren’t sanitary. That’s not because of the fencing and the sinks though, they just need better basic conditions.
But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:
Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.
I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing. But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them. Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?
There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.
So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?
In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee
reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the
air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One
account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for
detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the
Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's
whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida
confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the
hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before
acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't
admitted.
Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.
First off, they should be given due process.
Secondly, if they are not charged with a crime, back to their families and work.
Thirdly, any that really are hardened criminals, back to #1 above.
Fourthly, most are not criminals, so there is no need for that inhumane caging.
NO ONE belongs in those swampy shit holes.
Thank you, that was the easiest billion I've ever made.
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-Roberto Benigni
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Dude, please tell my what the fuck am I doing even trying to argue with people over this shit? How can anyone not see that what is going down is over-the-top inhumane treatment of other people?
And thank you for being a good voice of reason here, gotthebottle.
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Look folks, at this point, I have zero tolerance for inhumanity, and zero interest in discussing with people who make weak excuses for inhumane treatment. It's just in my nature to be this outspoken against cruelty, and I don't understand people who are not. If that's a problem for anyone, feel free to ignore me.
Dude, please tell my what the fuck am I doing even trying to argue with people over this shit? How can anyone not see that what is going down is over-the-top inhumane treatment of other people?
And thank you for being a good voice of reason here, gotthebottle.
I’m truly surprised too at some here who I thought could be a bit more sympathetic of the plight of these HUMANS but it’s par for the course “ As long it’s not bothering or interfering with me & mine it there motto” plus this helps me to weed out folks ill not be socializing with on any level
But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:
Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.
I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing. But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them. Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?
There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.
So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?
In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee
reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the
air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One
account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for
detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the
Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's
whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida
confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the
hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before
acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't
admitted.
Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.
First off, they should be given due process.
Secondly, if they are not charged with a crime, back to their families and work.
Thirdly, any that really are hardened criminals, back to #1 above.
Fourthly, most are not criminals, so there is no need for that inhumane caging.
NO ONE belongs in those swampy shit holes.
Thank you, that was the easiest billion I've ever made.
Who pays for that? You did not solve the matter. Hardened criminals? Just get them out. No due process. I agree the conditions are deplorable. But really, what is the solution dealing with thousands of people coming here illegally? Should we shake their hand and put them up at a Hampton Inn?
But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:
Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.
I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing. But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them. Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?
There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.
So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?
In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee
reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the
air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One
account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for
detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the
Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's
whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida
confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the
hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before
acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't
admitted.
Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.
First off, they should be given due process.
Secondly, if they are not charged with a crime, back to their families and work.
Thirdly, any that really are hardened criminals, back to #1 above.
Fourthly, most are not criminals, so there is no need for that inhumane caging.
NO ONE belongs in those swampy shit holes.
Thank you, that was the easiest billion I've ever made.
Who pays for that? You did not solve the matter. Hardened criminals? Just get them out. No due process. I agree the conditions are deplorable. But really, what is the solution dealing with thousands of people coming here illegally? Should we shake their hand and put them up at a Hampton Inn?
"When they show you who they are"..... yep, I see it... where are the 1000s coming here illegally? I know where alot of them WERE.... WORKING.... in fields, in construction, etc. Now they're disappearing...
But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:
Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.
I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing. But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them. Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?
There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.
So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?
In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee
reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the
air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One
account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for
detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the
Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's
whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida
confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the
hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before
acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't
admitted.
Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.
First off, they should be given due process.
Secondly, if they are not charged with a crime, back to their families and work.
Thirdly, any that really are hardened criminals, back to #1 above.
Fourthly, most are not criminals, so there is no need for that inhumane caging.
NO ONE belongs in those swampy shit holes.
Thank you, that was the easiest billion I've ever made.
Who pays for that? You did not solve the matter. Hardened criminals? Just get them out. No due process. I agree the conditions are deplorable. But really, what is the solution dealing with thousands of people coming here illegally? Should we shake their hand and put them up at a Hampton Inn?
But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:
Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.
I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing. But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them. Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?
There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.
So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?
In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee
reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the
air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One
account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for
detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the
Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's
whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida
confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the
hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before
acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't
admitted.
Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.
First off, they should be given due process.
Secondly, if they are not charged with a crime, back to their families and work.
Thirdly, any that really are hardened criminals, back to #1 above.
Fourthly, most are not criminals, so there is no need for that inhumane caging.
NO ONE belongs in those swampy shit holes.
Thank you, that was the easiest billion I've ever made.
Who pays for that? You did not solve the matter. Hardened criminals? Just get them out. No due process. I agree the conditions are deplorable. But really, what is the solution dealing with thousands of people coming here illegally? Should we shake their hand and put them up at a Hampton Inn?
"When they show you who they are"..... yep, I see it... where are the 1000s coming here illegally? I know where alot of them WERE.... WORKING.... in fields, in construction, etc. Now they're disappearing...
It's actually millions. Google is your friend. A lot is a piece of land. Know what you are talking about.
But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:
Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.
I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing. But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them. Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?
There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.
So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?
In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee
reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the
air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One
account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for
detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the
Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's
whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida
confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the
hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before
acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't
admitted.
Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.
First off, they should be given due process.
Secondly, if they are not charged with a crime, back to their families and work.
Thirdly, any that really are hardened criminals, back to #1 above.
Fourthly, most are not criminals, so there is no need for that inhumane caging.
NO ONE belongs in those swampy shit holes.
Thank you, that was the easiest billion I've ever made.
Who pays for that? You did not solve the matter. Hardened criminals? Just get them out. No due process. I agree the conditions are deplorable. But really, what is the solution dealing with thousands of people coming here illegally? Should we shake their hand and put them up at a Hampton Inn?
"When they show you who they are"..... yep, I see it... where are the 1000s coming here illegally? I know where alot of them WERE.... WORKING.... in fields, in construction, etc. Now they're disappearing...
It's actually millions. Google is your friend. A lot is a piece of land. Know what you are talking about.
You said thousands. Do you know what you're talking about
But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:
Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.
I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing. But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them. Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?
There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.
So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?
In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee
reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the
air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One
account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for
detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the
Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's
whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida
confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the
hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before
acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't
admitted.
Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.
First off, they should be given due process.
Secondly, if they are not charged with a crime, back to their families and work.
Thirdly, any that really are hardened criminals, back to #1 above.
Fourthly, most are not criminals, so there is no need for that inhumane caging.
NO ONE belongs in those swampy shit holes.
Thank you, that was the easiest billion I've ever made.
Who pays for that? You did not solve the matter. Hardened criminals? Just get them out. No due process. I agree the conditions are deplorable. But really, what is the solution dealing with thousands of people coming here illegally? Should we shake their hand and put them up at a Hampton Inn?
For clarification, what are you considering hardened criminals and what are the parameters? I'm not sure how someone can be designated as a hardened criminal with no due process. Or are you just referring to deportation and no due process for those who have been convicted of certain crimes?
For what it's worth, due process doesn't have to be complicated. It can be as simple as someone reviewing the case to confirm deportation is warranted and that they have the right person. There has to be some level of checks and balances, especially under the current ICE admin and their loose SOP for detainment and deportation.
But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:
Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.
I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing. But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them. Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?
There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.
So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?
In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee
reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the
air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One
account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for
detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the
Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's
whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida
confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the
hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before
acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't
admitted.
Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.
First off, they should be given due process.
Secondly, if they are not charged with a crime, back to their families and work.
Thirdly, any that really are hardened criminals, back to #1 above.
Fourthly, most are not criminals, so there is no need for that inhumane caging.
NO ONE belongs in those swampy shit holes.
Thank you, that was the easiest billion I've ever made.
Who pays for that? You did not solve the matter. Hardened criminals? Just get them out. No due process. I agree the conditions are deplorable. But really, what is the solution dealing with thousands of people coming here illegally? Should we shake their hand and put them up at a Hampton Inn?
For clarification, what are you considering hardened criminals and what are the parameters? I'm not sure how someone can be designated as a hardened criminal with no due process. Or are you just referring to deportation and no due process for those who have been convicted of certain crimes?
For what it's worth, due process doesn't have to be complicated. It can be as simple as someone reviewing the case to confirm deportation is warranted and that they have the right person. There has to be some level of checks and balances, especially under the current ICE admin and their loose SOP for detainment and deportation.
Should not matter. It is not about complexity. We are not talking about parking tickets. Who pays for someone to review a case? How much do think that costs? There are no checks and balances if you are not a citizen. Maybe my view is skewed from global travel. You cannot just walk into many countries. You get a bed and a meal. Many places just say get out.
But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:
Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.
I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing. But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them. Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?
There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.
So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?
In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee
reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the
air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One
account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for
detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the
Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's
whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida
confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the
hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before
acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't
admitted.
Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.
First off, they should be given due process.
Secondly, if they are not charged with a crime, back to their families and work.
Thirdly, any that really are hardened criminals, back to #1 above.
Fourthly, most are not criminals, so there is no need for that inhumane caging.
NO ONE belongs in those swampy shit holes.
Thank you, that was the easiest billion I've ever made.
Who pays for that? You did not solve the matter. Hardened criminals? Just get them out. No due process. I agree the conditions are deplorable. But really, what is the solution dealing with thousands of people coming here illegally? Should we shake their hand and put them up at a Hampton Inn?
For clarification, what are you considering hardened criminals and what are the parameters? I'm not sure how someone can be designated as a hardened criminal with no due process. Or are you just referring to deportation and no due process for those who have been convicted of certain crimes?
For what it's worth, due process doesn't have to be complicated. It can be as simple as someone reviewing the case to confirm deportation is warranted and that they have the right person. There has to be some level of checks and balances, especially under the current ICE admin and their loose SOP for detainment and deportation.
Should not matter. It is not about complexity. We are not talking about parking tickets. Who pays for someone to review a case? How much do think that costs? There are no checks and balances if you are not a citizen. Maybe my view is skewed from global travel. You cannot just walk into many countries. You get a bed and a meal. Many places just say get out.
that is false...completely
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But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:
Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.
I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing. But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them. Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?
There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.
So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?
In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee
reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the
air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One
account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for
detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the
Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's
whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida
confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the
hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before
acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't
admitted.
Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.
First off, they should be given due process.
Secondly, if they are not charged with a crime, back to their families and work.
Thirdly, any that really are hardened criminals, back to #1 above.
Fourthly, most are not criminals, so there is no need for that inhumane caging.
NO ONE belongs in those swampy shit holes.
Thank you, that was the easiest billion I've ever made.
Who pays for that? You did not solve the matter. Hardened criminals? Just get them out. No due process. I agree the conditions are deplorable. But really, what is the solution dealing with thousands of people coming here illegally? Should we shake their hand and put them up at a Hampton Inn?
For clarification, what are you considering hardened criminals and what are the parameters? I'm not sure how someone can be designated as a hardened criminal with no due process. Or are you just referring to deportation and no due process for those who have been convicted of certain crimes?
For what it's worth, due process doesn't have to be complicated. It can be as simple as someone reviewing the case to confirm deportation is warranted and that they have the right person. There has to be some level of checks and balances, especially under the current ICE admin and their loose SOP for detainment and deportation.
Should not matter. It is not about complexity. We are not talking about parking tickets. Who pays for someone to review a case? How much do think that costs? There are no checks and balances if you are not a citizen. Maybe my view is skewed from global travel. You cannot just walk into many countries. You get a bed and a meal. Many places just say get out.
that is false...completely
Not under the current administration. Not false. Why do we see cages if what I say is false? We should assign an immigration officer to spend hours reviewing your request for entry? Rules may be written, but they are not being followed at the moment. Same with tariffs, but that is another conversation.
Look folks, at this point, I have zero tolerance for inhumanity, and zero interest in discussing with people who make weak excuses for inhumane treatment. It's just in my nature to be this outspoken against cruelty, and I don't understand people who are not. If that's a problem for anyone, feel free to ignore me.
But no one was making excuses for inhumane treatment. Ive said many times, I don’t agree with the ice roundups. I don’t agree with mass deportation. I don’t agree with the ice budget. I don’t agree with over crowding facilities. Those with an established life here and have lead a crime-free life should stay. Those being detailed should have clean water and restrooms and adequate living conditions. All I’m saying is fences and combo sinks have been the standard for decades. Those combo sinks are not unsanitary like some people report. It’s not drinking out of the toilet.
Yes, there are still unsanitary conditions that I don’t like, but it’s not because of those two things that I keep seeing brought up over and over. Things that have been the standard for decades that people are only now complaining about.
Look folks, at this point, I have zero tolerance for inhumanity, and zero interest in discussing with people who make weak excuses for inhumane treatment. It's just in my nature to be this outspoken against cruelty, and I don't understand people who are not. If that's a problem for anyone, feel free to ignore me.
But no one was making excuses for inhumane treatment. Ive said many times, I don’t agree with the ice roundups. I don’t agree with mass deportation. I don’t agree with the ice budget. I don’t agree with over crowding facilities. Those with an established life here and have lead a crime-free life should stay. Those being detailed should have clean water and restrooms and adequate living conditions. All I’m saying is fences and combo sinks have been the standard for decades. Those combo sinks are not unsanitary like some people report. It’s not drinking out of the toilet.
Yes, there are still unsanitary conditions that I don’t like, but it’s not because of those two things that I keep seeing brought up over and over. Things that have been the standard for decades that people are only now complaining about.
We have NOT had this "standard" for decades!! So much veiled? racism in this thread. I'm done with it....
Look folks, at this point, I have zero tolerance for inhumanity, and zero interest in discussing with people who make weak excuses for inhumane treatment. It's just in my nature to be this outspoken against cruelty, and I don't understand people who are not. If that's a problem for anyone, feel free to ignore me.
But no one was making excuses for inhumane treatment. Ive said many times, I don’t agree with the ice roundups. I don’t agree with mass deportation. I don’t agree with the ice budget. I don’t agree with over crowding facilities. Those with an established life here and have lead a crime-free life should stay. Those being detailed should have clean water and restrooms and adequate living conditions. All I’m saying is fences and combo sinks have been the standard for decades. Those combo sinks are not unsanitary like some people report. It’s not drinking out of the toilet.
Yes, there are still unsanitary conditions that I don’t like, but it’s not because of those two things that I keep seeing brought up over and over. Things that have been the standard for decades that people are only now complaining about.
We have NOT had this "standard" for decades!! So much veiled? racism in this thread. I'm done with it....
are you saying the use of fencing and the combo sinks in holding facilities is a new thing? Because it isn’t.
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Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.
Those style of holding cells are also nothing new. It’s pretty standard.
i said chain link and the combo sinks in and of themselves. Those are all conditions that can happen with or without that. Most of the pictures I’ve seen include fencing within a larger facility, but not always. Plumbing not working is unrelated to the type of sink.
I’m not defending the use of alligator Alcatraz. Just specifically calling the use of chain link as cages and complaining about the combo sinks is an irrelevant point. It’s standard that’s been going on for years and everyone stopped complaining about it 4 years ago until this year again. I agree with what PJsoul said about the narrative. She said it well, read her comment.
As long as the conditions remain sanitary I have no problem with the fences and sinks. But, as you pointed out, they aren’t sanitary. That’s not because of the fencing and the sinks though, they just need better basic conditions.
Who pays for that? You did not solve the matter. Hardened criminals? Just get them out. No due process. I agree the conditions are deplorable. But really, what is the solution dealing with thousands of people coming here illegally? Should we shake their hand and put them up at a Hampton Inn?
It's actually millions. Google is your friend. A lot is a piece of land. Know what you are talking about.
For what it's worth, due process doesn't have to be complicated. It can be as simple as someone reviewing the case to confirm deportation is warranted and that they have the right person. There has to be some level of checks and balances, especially under the current ICE admin and their loose SOP for detainment and deportation.
Should not matter. It is not about complexity. We are not talking about parking tickets. Who pays for someone to review a case? How much do think that costs? There are no checks and balances if you are not a citizen. Maybe my view is skewed from global travel. You cannot just walk into many countries. You get a bed and a meal. Many places just say get out.
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Not under the current administration. Not false. Why do we see cages if what I say is false? We should assign an immigration officer to spend hours reviewing your request for entry? Rules may be written, but they are not being followed at the moment. Same with tariffs, but that is another conversation.
Ive said many times, I don’t agree with the ice roundups. I don’t agree with mass deportation. I don’t agree with the ice budget. I don’t agree with over crowding facilities. Those with an established life here and have lead a crime-free life should stay.
Those being detailed should have clean water and restrooms and adequate living conditions.
All I’m saying is fences and combo sinks have been the standard for decades. Those combo sinks are not unsanitary like some people report. It’s not drinking out of the toilet.
Yes, there are still unsanitary conditions that I don’t like, but it’s not because of those two things that I keep seeing brought up over and over. Things that have been the standard for decades that people are only now complaining about.
I'm done with it....