Dave Abbruzzese Statement on The Drummer Situation
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Would pj have made No Code and or yield with DaveA. IMO no they wouldn't. They went in a different direction. They pulled back as we know. Dave didn't like that. He might have said that. Jack irons was a huge influence on them 2 lps. Amazing lps too I think. I've said before. Pj had right drummers at the right time I love Daves time in the band. he was great. But if you standstill your moving backwards. My 2 cents. Pj wouldn't have survived without jack
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Ed's voice, Mike's guitar, Stone and Jeff's determination after having been so close to success when Andy died. That's the formula that worked, IMO. Dave added to that, no doubt, but many drummers would have. And that is in no way a shot at Dave.___________________________________________
"...I changed by not changing at all..."0 -
mcgruff10 said:HughFreakingDillon said:they would have gotten famous with Ten for SURE. But Dave's drumming on VS especially was significant and helped propel them to that next stage.0
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HughFreakingDillon said:Merkin Baller said:HughFreakingDillon said:Merkin Baller said:HughFreakingDillon said:Merkin Baller said:HughFreakingDillon said:Merkin Baller said:HughFreakingDillon said:Merkin Baller said:Dave A wrote a couple great songs for them, for sure. Despite that. his contribution to this band has been greatly over romanticized, and to sociopearljam's point, not even remotely relative to the amount of discussion or agita it's generated.
He's good, but I wouldn't call him a great drummer... he's certainly no better than the 4th best to have played for this band.
Dave actually was with them when they were still playing small clubs, as Gern pointed out. It's not super typical for a drummer to contribute to songwriting. I'm not one of "they should get dave back in the band" people, but his contributions shouldn't be limited just because of the time period he was in the band. I mean, people are also talking about Dave K, who was in the band an even shorter time and only drummed on 1 record.
Do No Code and Yield happen without Jack? Does PJ even continue as a band if he doesn't show up? There's a lot less certainty there, I think.
Regarding your last point, I'm not one of the people clamoring for Dave K (that has me scratching my head)... I'm not clamoring for ANY of their past drummers to return. I don't want sentimentality to factor into where they go next.
I don't think his contributions are overstated, honestly. I think people just talk about him the most because of the circumstances surrounding his departure and my points above.
IDK how you can ignore the context of where the band was at when each drummer joined. As someone mentioned, Dave A got on a rocket ship as it was taking off. JI arguably saved them from breaking up and inspired them to a new sound and direction.
From that perspective, I would say JI brought way more to the table for PJ than Dave A.
He’s a textbook example of right place / right time.0 -
mcgruff10 said:Shaindli1 said:mcgruff10 said:HughFreakingDillon said:they would have gotten famous with Ten for SURE. But Dave's drumming on VS especially was significant and helped propel them to that next stage.
Ed needed someone who could write good music and Stone and Jeff needed someone that could write good lyrics and a voice to stand out. It was a perfect storm.0 -
mcgruff10 said:HughFreakingDillon said:they would have gotten famous with Ten for SURE. But Dave's drumming on VS especially was significant and helped propel them to that next stage.0
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I truly believe we had reached a point where each of the five core members was essential and am fairly pessimistic about the future. Still plenty of paths for good and very good but....0
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pjl44 said:I truly believe we had reached a point where each of the five core members was essential and am fairly pessimistic about the future. Still plenty of paths for good and very good but....0
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mace1229 said:pjl44 said:I truly believe we had reached a point where each of the five core members was essential and am fairly pessimistic about the future. Still plenty of paths for good and very good but....0
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pjl44 said:mace1229 said:pjl44 said:I truly believe we had reached a point where each of the five core members was essential and am fairly pessimistic about the future. Still plenty of paths for good and very good but....I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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mcgruff10 said:pjl44 said:mace1229 said:pjl44 said:I truly believe we had reached a point where each of the five core members was essential and am fairly pessimistic about the future. Still plenty of paths for good and very good but....For fans and perhaps this band that may be true, but for many bands, having a new drummer can be the most difficult of on stage experiences, even if fans in the crowd don’t notice when that is happening.0
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mcgruff10 said:pjl44 said:mace1229 said:pjl44 said:I truly believe we had reached a point where each of the five core members was essential and am fairly pessimistic about the future. Still plenty of paths for good and very good but....0
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The Zeeze could step in with ease. There is no other drummer that I would be more thrilled to see take the spot.4.17.94 Paramount 9.28.96 Randall's Island 8.25.00 Jones Beach 4.28.03 Spectrum 7.5.03 Camden 7.6.03 Camden 07.08.03 MSG 07.09.03 MSG 7.12.03 Hershey 7.14.03 Holmdel 6.12.08 Tampa 10.19.13 Brooklyn 4.11.16 Tampa 5.1.16 MSG 5.2.16 MSG 8.7.16 Fenway 9.2.18 Fenway 9.4.18 Fenway 9.11.22 MSG 9.16.22 Nashville 9.18.23 Austin 9.19.23 Austin 9.3.24 MSG 9.4.24 MSG Fenway 9.15.24 Fenway 9.17.24 Hollywood 4.24.25 Nashville 5.6.25 Nashville 5.8.250
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pjl44 said:mcgruff10 said:pjl44 said:mace1229 said:pjl44 said:I truly believe we had reached a point where each of the five core members was essential and am fairly pessimistic about the future. Still plenty of paths for good and very good but....I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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mcgruff10 said:pjl44 said:mcgruff10 said:pjl44 said:mace1229 said:pjl44 said:I truly believe we had reached a point where each of the five core members was essential and am fairly pessimistic about the future. Still plenty of paths for good and very good but....0
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pjl44 said:mace1229 said:pjl44 said:I truly believe we had reached a point where each of the five core members was essential and am fairly pessimistic about the future. Still plenty of paths for good and very good but....0
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mcgruff10 said:pjl44 said:mace1229 said:pjl44 said:I truly believe we had reached a point where each of the five core members was essential and am fairly pessimistic about the future. Still plenty of paths for good and very good but....
It actually would be pretty cool to see a different drummer if that drummer was Jack, Dave K (or even the never-gonna-happen Dave A).0 -
mace1229 said:pjl44 said:mace1229 said:pjl44 said:I truly believe we had reached a point where each of the five core members was essential and am fairly pessimistic about the future. Still plenty of paths for good and very good but....0
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pjl44 said:mace1229 said:pjl44 said:mace1229 said:pjl44 said:I truly believe we had reached a point where each of the five core members was essential and am fairly pessimistic about the future. Still plenty of paths for good and very good but....
I’m saying, without any disrespect to Matt, their best music was before he came. They can definitely do without him again. Although, it was great to have him while he was there.0
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