End of the American Republic?
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josevolution said:brianlux said:What the hell. Why not!OnWis97 said:As a Minnesota resident, count me in.benjs said:OnWis97 said:As a Minnesota resident, count me in.Yes, yes, yes!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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benjs said:OnWis97 said:As a Minnesota resident, count me in.
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I think Canada would probably be happy to welcome those states as new provinces... of course, our leaders lack the nerve to start babbling about our 11th, 12th, 13th, etc provinces on social media, lol.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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I'd change "lack the nerve" to "have the sense not to" in that statement.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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but fuck yeah. heading to Minnie would be so much cheaper!By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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The question is, is it the end of the American Republic, or the beginning of a long-term, low brow, stupid fucking sickcom/ unreality TV show starring Whiny Old Billionaire and His Ex-tacy."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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HughFreakingDillon said:I'd change "lack the nerve" to "have the sense not to" in that statement.
I meant that fully tongue in cheek!With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Diesn't matter how you feel about Musk. This threat is 100% fascist.Trump says Elon Musk could face ‘serious consequences’ if he backs Democratic candidates
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article/trump-says-elon-musk-could-face-serious-consequences-if-he-backs-democratic-candidates/
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Speaks for itselfTrump deploys National Guard to Los Angeles amid immigration protests | CNN Politics
https://www.cnn.com/webview/politics/live-news/trump-presidency-news-06-07-25?iid=cnn-mobile-app
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It's started... the battle fuckhead wants... here in SoCal. People being hurt
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The fuck?
Trump authorizes 2,000 national guard troops to deploy to LA amid Ice protests
California governor calls move ‘purposefully inflammatory’ and says it will ‘escalate tensions’ amid immigration crackdown
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And we were told that it couldn’t happen here. COOTWH has disbanded the FBI unit focused on domestic terrorist groups, particularly far-right ones, the NSA is turning a blind eye and Herr Miller’s shock troops are being groomed and encouraged. This will not end well and it’ll make the fiery peaceful protests of the George Floyd murder riots look tame in comparison.
You’ve, general you, been warned repeatedly and so far only seem concerned that Brandon and his shadow government deceived you and that you didn’t have a choice in November. You did and you, general you, chose foolishly. Well, you, general you, who voted for COOTWH or didn’t vote at all, own it. The chickens are starting to come home to roost.
Someone get Kyle Rittenhouse a ticket to LA, eh?Neo-Nazi group ‘actively seeking to grow in US’ with planned paramilitary training event
The Base is emerging from shadows and ramping up its ranks as White House turns blind eye to the far right
An international neo-Nazi terrorist organization is boldly continuing to build in the US and planning a new paramilitary training event without fear of local authorities or the FBI, which once dismantled it in a nationwide effort.
The Base, founded in 2018 by a former Pentagon contractor living in Russia and now suspected of Kremlin-sponsored espionage, once boasted close to 50 stateside members before the bureau made more than a dozen arrests in a years-long counter-terrorism operation.
But since the presidential election campaign last year and what many then believed to be a surefire victory for Donald Trump, the Base saw an opportunity in a potential administration uninterested in policing white supremacy and went about ramping up its ranks.
Now, the Base has a presence in Ukraine, performing sabotage operations inside the country against the embattled government, and new and dangerous cells emerging across Europe, and it appears to be growing in the US, where the FBI under the Maga acolyte Kash Patel has signalled it isn’t prioritizing investigations of far-right extremism.
In its early history, part of what first piqued the interest of authorities was the Base’s courting of military veterans who could help drill its foot soldiers in a series of training camps across the US. Eventually implicated in an assassination plot, mass shootings and other actions in Europe, the Base went so far as to have a fortified compound and cell in Michigan, led by a US army dropout.
Online evidence from its various accounts, several of which live on Russian servers to avoid censorship on American sites, shows the Base has real plans for a national gathering this summer where members intend to train in paramilitary drills as in years past.
“The Base in [the] USA is preparing for an upcoming national training event,” reads one of its recent posts soliciting crypto donations. “This one might be our most attended training event in [the] USA in a while. We could really use some financial support to help our members with travel expenses.”
The post continued: “When you donate money to the Base, you’re investing in a White Defense Force that’s aiming to protect white people from political persecution and physical destruction.”
The Base then published a new photo of armed members claiming to be in the midwest, which follows a trend in 2025 of the group bragging about its unafraid American presence. As a sort of taunt to its enemies, on the day of Trump’s inauguration the Base released a photo of four members somewhere in Appalachia, in what was the largest number of American members in one photo in over a year.
The upcoming national training event indicates that the group is seeking to grow and is willing to take the risk of advertising it publicly in advance,” said Joshua Fisher-Birch, an analyst of far-right terrorism who has been following the Base’s movements for close to a decade. “The Base appears to be actively seeking to grow in the US.”
Fisher-Birch notes that even if the gathering involves “fewer than 20 people”, it is by no means “low profile” and suggests the group sees momentum is on its side.
“An event entails planning, coordination, travel and face-to-face meetings between different regional groups, indicating that they operate in an environment where they view the potential amount of risk as acceptable,” he said. “The group has previously stated multiple times that being a member or training with them is a risky endeavor; however, planning a meetup, which they will inevitably use for propaganda purposes, is a different approach than even a year ago, when the group advertised regional activities.”
In response to queries about the Base’s latest movements, the FBI told the Guardian that it only investigates people who have or are planning to commit a federal crime and pose “a threat to national security”.
“Our focus is not on membership in particular groups but on criminal activity,” said a spokesperson for the FBI. “Membership in groups is not illegal in and of itself and is protected by the first amendment.”
But in Michigan and in Georgia, members of the Base were charged with their criminal associations to the group.
The Trump administration’s security posture on the far right is to downplay its significance. Yet experts unanimously agree: it is the top domestic terrorism threat facing the country. Instead, Patel, the FBI’s director, has gone about removing agents from pursuing the far right, while one of Trump’s first actions in his second term was to provide unconditional pardons, en masse, to all of the January 6 insurrectionists.
Fisher-Birch also pointed out that the Base had taken itself more seriously and upped its activities in Ukraine to the tune of calling for the murder of government officials and acts of sabotage – with the clearly stated goal of forming a white ethnostate in the west of the country. Already, the Ukrainian cell has uploaded geolocated videos of some of these attacks, one showing the burning of a military vehicle and what looks like a government electrical box.
In a video released on a Russian video-sharing site in mid-May, Rinaldo Nazzaro, the founder and leader of the Base, who is living in St Petersburg, released a video describing the importance of new training videos proving to potential recruits that his group is not just online, but in the real world.
“It’s propaganda through actions, not just words,” he said.
It isn’t clear where the paramilitary training will take place, but Nazzaro is known to have purchased land in the Pacific north-west that he intended to use as a headquarters for the Base and its activities.
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It was all in Project 2025.
Now the mouthpieces of the MAGA wing are explaining it away ... saying people waving foreign flags are attacking police.... bullshit0 -
gotthebottle said:It was all in Project 2025.
Now the mouthpieces of the MAGA wing are explaining it away ... saying people waving foreign flags are attacking police.... bullshitIt's a hopeless situation...0 -
gotthebottle said:It was all in Project 2025.
Now the mouthpieces of the MAGA wing are explaining it away ... saying people waving foreign flags are attacking police.... bullshit
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tbergs said:gotthebottle said:It was all in Project 2025.
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DE4173 said:gotthebottle said:It was all in Project 2025.
Now the mouthpieces of the MAGA wing are explaining it away ... saying people waving foreign flags are attacking police.... bullshit
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You’ve, general you, been warned.
Trump has unleashed something terrifying in the US – that even he may be powerless to control
The protests in LA are what everyone feared, and a warning to countries that flirt with populism
She was live on air to viewers back home, her TV microphone clearly in hand, when the rubber bullet hit her. The Australian reporter Lauren Tomasi was the second journalist after the British photographer Nick Stern to be shot with non-lethal rounds while covering protests in Los Angeles sparked by immigration raids. But she was the first to be caught on camera and beamed around the world. There’s no excuse for not knowing what the US is becoming, now that anyone can watch that clip online. Not when you can hear her scream and see the cameraman quickly swing away to film a panicking crowd.
It was the scenario everyone feared when Donald Trump took office. Deportation hit squads descending on the kind of Democrat-voting communities who would feel morally bound to resist them, triggering the kind of violent confrontation that creates an excuse to send in national guard troops – and ultimately a showdown between federal and state power that could take US democracy to the brink. Now something like this may be unfolding in California, where the state governor, Gavin Newsom, has accused the president of trying to “manufacture a crisis” for his own ends and warned that any protester responding with violence is only playing into his hands. Suddenly, the idea that this presidency could ultimately end in civil conflict no longer seems quite so wildly overblown as it once did.
Or to put it another way, Trump has got what he wanted, which is for everyone to switch channels: to stop gawping at his embarrassing fallout with Elon Musk over unfunded tax cuts, and flick over to the rival spectacle he has hastily created. After a brief interruption to scheduled programming, the great showman is back in control. But in the meantime, the world has learned something useful about who wins in a standoff between two giant egos, one of whom has all the money and the other of whom has all the executive power. In US oligarchies just as in Russian ones, it turns out, it’s presidents who still get to set the agenda.
You can’t ride the tiger. That’s the lesson here: once populism has grasped the levers of power, even the richest man in the world cannot be sure of exploiting it for his own ends, or imposing his own agenda on the chaos. Not when a vengeful White House still has the power to destroy even the most powerful business empire, anyway. At the weekend, Musk meekly deleted explosive tweets about the president’s alleged relationship with the convicted sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, and by Monday he was loyally sharing Trumpian messages about the LA protests. His father, meanwhile, tactfully blamed the outburst on Musk Junior being “tired” after five months working round the clock for the White House.
That ought to ring some bells on this side of the Atlantic. For oddly enough, it’s the same excuse offered up by Zia Yusuf, the millionaire businessman brought in to professionalise Reform UK’s perennially chaotic operation, who last week quit as chair in exasperation. Trying to get the party into power was no longer a “good use of his time”, he tweeted, after publicly clashing with its newest MP, Sarah Pochin, over her decision to ask a question in parliament about banning burqas (which isn’t officially Reform policy, or at least not yet). Yusuf, a British Muslim, has long been seen as Farage’s trusted bulwark against those inside Reform desperate to pick up where the jailed thug Stephen Yaxley-Lennon left off, and to become a full-blown, far-right anti-Islam movement.
But this time, it seems, Yusuf may have bitten off more than the boss was ready to chew. A whole two days after storming out, Yusuf ended up storming awkwardly back in, telling the BBC that actually, having thought about it, he probably would ban burqas and other face coverings. He had just been exhausted, he suggested, after barely having a day off in 11 months. (If nothing else, it seems Reform really means what it says about fighting back against modern HR practices.)
To be fair to him, even Farage seems to find the process of trying to control his parties exhausting at times, judging by the regularity with which he has taken breaks from them over the years. While Yusuf won’t return as chair, he will now join Reform’s so-called British Doge, supposedly taking a Musk-style chainsaw to council spending – which sounds like a breeze compared with managing Reform MPs. Until, that is, you reflect on how exactly Doge has turned out across the Atlantic.
The reason parts of Silicon Valley were quietly enthusiastic about their fellow tech tycoon’s slash and burn approach to US bureaucracy was that they saw profitable method in the madness: a plan to hack the state back to the bare minimum, opening up new markets for digital services and unleashing (or so they hoped) a new wave of economic growth by slashing national debt.
Five months on, however, it’s clear that any Doge savings will be utterly dwarfed by Trump’s forecast to send national debt soaring to uncharted and potentially unsustainable highs. Any tech titan hoping for the US equivalent of Margaret Thatcher on steroids, in other words, has ended up with Liz Truss after one too many espressos instead – plus troops on the streets of California and the slowly dawning realisation that, as the billionaire venture capitalist Michael Moritz put it, they have “no sway” over what they unleashed.
There will be plenty of people back in Britain who couldn’t care less about obscure comings and goings in the Reform party, even as its poll lead means it’s starting to make the political weather. Others simply don’t expect it to affect their lives much either way if Reform permanently supplants a Conservative party from which it already seems hard to distinguish, and a few may already be calculating that they can turn its rise to their own advantage.
Yet what the last few frightening days in the US have demonstrated is that once populism has its feet firmly enough under the table, chaos wins. There’s no ability to belatedly impose order, no house-training it either. All you can do is deny it a room in the house in the first place. In Britain, at least, it’s not too late for that.
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