Karen Read

Brony · May 7

Totally flabbergasted by this trial/retrial
anyone else find this so odd with so many different theories?
She will walk

tempo_n_groove · May 7

I had not heard this case before. Really interesting that they can't figure out if the body was killed inside a house or by a car...

Poncier · May 7

It's all over the local news here, has been for 3+ years and really kicking back into high gear with the new trial.
I know folks who are convinced she is being framed. You see people holding signs everywhere. There are billboards. It's insane.

I think she did it but not necessarily premeditated. I find the whole frame theory to be very outlandish.

PJ_Soul · May 7

I can't believe how long it takes for so many murder cases to get to trial. I remember watching the interrogation videos for this case AGES ago. It's the same for so many cases, esoecially high profile ones. I underatsbd the processes that are happening, and I really feel like the American justice system is practically grinding to a standstill.

Poncier · May 8

PJ_Soul said:

I can't believe how long it takes for so many murder cases to get to trial. I remember watching the interrogation videos for this case AGES ago. It's the same for so many cases, esoecially high profile ones. I underatsbd the processes that are happening, and I really feel like the American justice system is practically grinding to a standstill.

This is a second trial for Read. they completed a trial previously with a hung jury, so DA opted to re-try the case.

josevolution · May 8

Never even heard of her I’ll look it up

soph189 · May 8

There’s a pretty good documentary on Max about her case and first trial

tempo_n_groove · May 8

josevolution said:

Never even heard of her I’ll look it up

We are under the rock here on Long Island apparently

ed243421 · May 8

Prosecutors say victim was hit by car and thrown across lawn with enough force to kill.

The victim did not have a bruise below the neck.

Just dog bites.

Just another shady case of some shady cops that were blackout drunk, threw punches at a party that unintentionally caused another drunk cop to die, and tried to cover it up.

tempo_n_groove · May 8

ed243421 said:

Prosecutors say victim was hit by car and thrown across lawn with enough force to kill.

The victim did not have a bruise below the neck.

Just dog bites.

Just another shady case of some shady cops that were blackout drunk, threw punches at a party that unintentionally caused another drunk cop to die, and tried to cover it up.

mace1229 · May 9

PJ_Soul said:

I can't believe how long it takes for so many murder cases to get to trial. I remember watching the interrogation videos for this case AGES ago. It's the same for so many cases, esoecially high profile ones. I underatsbd the processes that are happening, and I really feel like the American justice system is practically grinding to a standstill.

It's usually part of the defense's strategy to delay. File multiple appeals and claim they need more time to interview specialists, digest the evidence, etc. Let the memories of those involved get foggier. If they're out on bail, let them enjoy some freedom before going to jail.

mace1229 · May 9

ed243421 said:

Prosecutors say victim was hit by car and thrown across lawn with enough force to kill.

The victim did not have a bruise below the neck.

Just dog bites.

Just another shady case of some shady cops that were blackout drunk, threw punches at a party that unintentionally caused another drunk cop to die, and tried to cover it up.

I remember holes in both sides of the story. Some things didn't seem to add up or seemed strange if it were just an accident, and some with the cover up. Like, the part I just can't get over, is shattered glass from he tail lights at the scene. So if it was a coverup, and they killed him and drug him outside, that means they went to her house, smashed out her tail light there, brought the pieces back, rubbed his DNA on them, and placed them at the scene.
Without leaving any traces or broken pieces of a smashes out light at her where. Not impossible, but seems extremely unlikely. The more plausible explanation is she hit him, either by accident or on purpose, then went home. Seems more likely than a bunch of drunk cop coworkers got into a fight, killed a guy, dumped him outside, drove to his out to smash out a light and plant evidence, and get 11 witnesses to say he never made it inside the house. The simpler one is usually the right one.

MayDay10 · May 9

It reminds me, on a much more tragic level, of a night at the very end of my old college days.

There were a group of us hopping to houses, bars, etc. Just majorly fucked up. I woke up in a random dorm/suite.

It turns out one of us lit a massive tray of fireworks off in our house. Was a huge fiasco. Luckily the house didnt burn down. However, the cops and detective were hell bent on fucking us over and someone(s) taking a pretty big fall for this. They had my one buddy in the county jail. We were pretty much dead to rights.

However, everyone was blackout drunk. Nobody's stories made any sense and there was no continuity between each person's sequence of events. Who people were with, what times, where, etc was all just a garbled mess. I was the last person the detective interviewed because I was MIA all morning at the dorms. I could not recall much and he was like forcing me to answer, so I was just making shit up. I had to go into another room to wait and I heard the detective swearing and trashing his office in frustration. It was great.

mookieblalock · May 9

MayDay10 said:

It reminds me, on a much more tragic level, of a night at the very end of my old college days.

There were a group of us hopping to houses, bars, etc. Just majorly fucked up. I woke up in a random dorm/suite.

It turns out one of us lit a massive tray of fireworks off in our house. Was a huge fiasco. Luckily the house didnt burn down. However, the cops and detective were hell bent on fucking us over and someone(s) taking a pretty big fall for this. They had my one buddy in the county jail. We were pretty much dead to rights.

However, everyone was blackout drunk. Nobody's stories made any sense and there was no continuity between each person's sequence of events. Who people were with, what times, where, etc was all just a garbled mess. I was the last person the detective interviewed because I was MIA all morning at the dorms. I could not recall much and he was like forcing me to answer, so I was just making shit up. I had to go into another room to wait and I heard the detective swearing and trashing his office in frustration. It was great.

I think I saw you that night. You were fucked up bro!!

droptheleash9 · May 13

What’s more likely? Crazy chick on the outs with her significant other backs over him when blackout drunk or the local police, EMTs, firefighters, mass state police, ADA, DA, judge, and everyone in the house all conspire to frame said women? People can’t keep secrets. No way that many people can have the same story. There might be enough reasonable doubt created by her high-priced attorneys where she walks but make no mistake…she did it.

Merkin Baller · May 13

droptheleash9 said:

What’s more likely? Crazy chick on the outs with her significant other backs over him when blackout drunk or the local police, EMTs, firefighters, mass state police, ADA, DA, judge, and everyone in the house all conspire to frame said women? People can’t keep secrets. No way that many people can have the same story. There might be enough reasonable doubt created by her high-priced attorneys where she walks but make no mistake…she did it.

Agreed... I have to defer to Occam's razor on this one.

The idea that everyone involved is lying except her just doesn't pass the smell test. I think the state overreached pursuing 2nd Degree Murder charges, but I think she's guilty of manslaughter at least.

Gern Blansten · May 14

I'm going to dive into the Read case more. I have heard about it but didn't realize the controversy.

I watched the Dateline special about the Idaho murders last night. Amazing stuff. That guy is a true psychopath. I feel so sorry for all those involved and totally forgot that there was a friend that was supposed to be in that house that night but had to stay at her parents house to care for their dogs because their flight was coming in late. She may have escaped death due to that.

It sounds like the defense is trying to get the DNA evidenced tossed but the guy was searching on Amazon for the same knife sheath that he left behind that fucking night.

droptheleash9 · May 20

Merkin Baller said:

droptheleash9 said:

What’s more likely? Crazy chick on the outs with her significant other backs over him when blackout drunk or the local police, EMTs, firefighters, mass state police, ADA, DA, judge, and everyone in the house all conspire to frame said women? People can’t keep secrets. No way that many people can have the same story. There might be enough reasonable doubt created by her high-priced attorneys where she walks but make no mistake…she did it.

Agreed... I have to defer to Occam's razor on this one.

The idea that everyone involved is lying except her just doesn't pass the smell test. I think the state overreached pursuing 2nd Degree Murder charges, but I think she's guilty of manslaughter at least.

Agreed. State definitely overreached on Murder 2 charges.

Karen Read

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