After #China scrapped US Beef Imports ($2.5 Billion, 31% of USA Export Market), now Japan & Korea are also turning to Australia.
Ditto, Mexico looking to Argentina.
With those 4 markets, that's $5.4 Billion, 68% of USA's beef exports. Gone.
USA will never get it all back, if any.
Ever.
Still, America, it's all worth it to 'Own Da Libs', right ?
Should turn away from meat
no
Vile position to have
How about you do you and he does him? I’m not sure I’ve seen him get personal about your dietary choices.
Look, I wouldn't be as strident as my Swedish friend*, but it's also not as cut and dried as you suggest. Raising animals for food not only causes suffering, but it also has negative externalities for the environment. Having said that, I am a vegetarian and I can't think of a single instance where someone was lectured into vegetarianism.
*Everyone I know/Goes away in the end.
I appreciate your choice but to me it is cut and dry. It comes down to minding your business and not calling someone’s dietary choices vile. Comes off as extremely condescending
I don't disagree with you. I've never hectored anyone about eating meat. I'm just saying it's not as simple as "to each their own." There are externalities to our choices.
After #China scrapped US Beef Imports ($2.5 Billion, 31% of USA Export Market), now Japan & Korea are also turning to Australia.
Ditto, Mexico looking to Argentina.
With those 4 markets, that's $5.4 Billion, 68% of USA's beef exports. Gone.
USA will never get it all back, if any.
Ever.
Still, America, it's all worth it to 'Own Da Libs', right ?
Should turn away from meat
no
Vile position to have
How about you do you and he does him? I’m not sure I’ve seen him get personal about your dietary choices.
Look, I wouldn't be as strident as my Swedish friend*, but it's also not as cut and dried as you suggest. Raising animals for food not only causes suffering, but it also has negative externalities for the environment. Having said that, I am a vegetarian and I can't think of a single instance where someone was lectured into vegetarianism.
*Everyone I know/Goes away in the end.
isnt though? cut and dried like that?
why is it, that generally speaking, the religious, vegans and the like feel its ok to make statements out of the blue about others and the way they choose to live thats counter to the admonishers , but when the same behaviour is turned toward them its wrong?
besides, this thread is about fucksticks economic policies. one of which is going to severely hurt a segment of agriculture that the first post in this chain sought to point out. what it isnt about is the dietary choices of the members of this forum. I'm almost certain theres a thread for that topic here. use that to speak down from on high instead, hmm?
I'm not condoning his stridency. I clearly said that. I don't think it's warranted or appropriate, and I think it's counterproductive. What's not cut and dried is that whether or not to eat meat is not merely a personal choice that has no effect on others. Perhaps this is true at the individual level but, collectively, our system of animal agriculture has negative consequences for the animals and for the environment. That's all I'm saying.
After #China scrapped US Beef Imports ($2.5 Billion, 31% of USA Export Market), now Japan & Korea are also turning to Australia.
Ditto, Mexico looking to Argentina.
With those 4 markets, that's $5.4 Billion, 68% of USA's beef exports. Gone.
USA will never get it all back, if any.
Ever.
Still, America, it's all worth it to 'Own Da Libs', right ?
Should turn away from meat
no
Vile position to have
How about you do you and he does him? I’m not sure I’ve seen him get personal about your dietary choices.
Look, I wouldn't be as strident as my Swedish friend*, but it's also not as cut and dried as you suggest. Raising animals for food not only causes suffering, but it also has negative externalities for the environment. Having said that, I am a vegetarian and I can't think of a single instance where someone was lectured into vegetarianism.
*Everyone I know/Goes away in the end.
I appreciate your choice but to me it is cut and dry. It comes down to minding your business and not calling someone’s dietary choices vile. Comes off as extremely condescending
I imagine there are a lot of horrific things you wouldn’t speak up about then in your proximity because of ”minding your own business”.
And you are happily defending, supporting and consuming living beings that feel the same feelings of survival as you, yet still being tortured and killed, not having had the chance to live the live that was given to them. Like you would use your last bit of energy and your last breath to get to do. Trying to say it is condescending to consider that vile?
Not to speak of the environmental impact. But I imagine they are of little concern when "minding ones own business". Go watch the fires in California when you get the chance. Or travel to see the droughts in Africa. While minding your own business.
How is it not vile I wonder.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
After #China scrapped US Beef Imports ($2.5 Billion, 31% of USA Export Market), now Japan & Korea are also turning to Australia.
Ditto, Mexico looking to Argentina.
With those 4 markets, that's $5.4 Billion, 68% of USA's beef exports. Gone.
USA will never get it all back, if any.
Ever.
Still, America, it's all worth it to 'Own Da Libs', right ?
Should turn away from meat
no
Vile position to have
How about you do you and he does him? I’m not sure I’ve seen him get personal about your dietary choices.
Look, I wouldn't be as strident as my Swedish friend*, but it's also not as cut and dried as you suggest. Raising animals for food not only causes suffering, but it also has negative externalities for the environment. Having said that, I am a vegetarian and I can't think of a single instance where someone was lectured into vegetarianism.
*Everyone I know/Goes away in the end.
I appreciate your choice but to me it is cut and dry. It comes down to minding your business and not calling someone’s dietary choices vile. Comes off as extremely condescending
I imagine there are a lot of horrific things you wouldn’t speak up about then in your proximity because of ”minding your own business”.
And you are happily defending, supporting and consuming living beings that feel the same feelings of survival as you, yet still being tortured and killed, not having had the chance to live the live that was given to them. Like you would use your last bit of energy and your last breath to get to do. Trying to say it is condescending to consider that vile?
Not to speak of the environmental impact. But I imagine they are of little concern when "minding ones own business". Go watch the fires in California when you get the chance. Or travel to see the droughts in Africa. While minding your own business.
Maybe the Easter Egg Roll on the south lawn will raise enough money to offset these economic downturns. They should have cabinet member dunk tanks where you pay $100 for 3 chances to submerge your favorite in their choice of a giant cocktail. It could be sponsored by TikTok. Pete should enjoy that. Probably accidentally fall in a few times.
I don't know if I can make it anymore.... everyday I feel myself losing my mind over the idiocy... and I'm helpless. None of this had to happen and "people"are letting it. I don't want America First...
I DO want America First. But America isn't first.
Why do think that is? Maybe forced labor and subsidized exports? People are clueless about labor in China and the level of America's reliance.
I hate to say it, but this is not 100% wrong. The Chinese do not play fair. I have first hand experience.
All the more reason to start trade wars with Canada, Mexico, Europe, Japan, India, Penguin Island and others not named Russia.
Other than China, it is just politics. They will work out. Even Mexico and Canada tariffs are suspended. It is white noise. But the trade problem with China is real.
I hate to say it, but this is not 100% wrong. The Chinese do not play fair. I have first hand experience.
All the more reason to start trade wars with Canada, Mexico, Europe, Japan, India, Penguin Island and others not named Russia.
Other than China, it is just politics. They will work out. Even Mexico and Canada tariffs are suspended. It is white noise. But the trade problem with China is real.
They aren’t suspended though. There are significant tariffs on Canada still
I hate to say it, but this is not 100% wrong. The Chinese do not play fair. I have first hand experience.
All the more reason to start trade wars with Canada, Mexico, Europe, Japan, India, Penguin Island and others not named Russia.
Other than China, it is just politics. They will work out. Even Mexico and Canada tariffs are suspended. It is white noise. But the trade problem with China is real.
They aren’t suspended though. There are significant tariffs on Canada still
Qualify for USMCA and there are no tariffs. Transship goods from Asia and you get hit.
I hate to say it, but this is not 100% wrong. The Chinese do not play fair. I have first hand experience.
All the more reason to start trade wars with Canada, Mexico, Europe, Japan, India, Penguin Island and others not named Russia.
Other than China, it is just politics. They will work out. Even Mexico and Canada tariffs are suspended. It is white noise. But the trade problem with China is real.
They aren’t suspended though. There are significant tariffs on Canada still
Qualify for USMCA and there are no tariffs. Transship goods from Asia and you get hit.
You forgot the 25% on all steel and aluminum which is big.
I hate to say it, but this is not 100% wrong. The Chinese do not play fair. I have first hand experience.
All the more reason to start trade wars with Canada, Mexico, Europe, Japan, India, Penguin Island and others not named Russia.
Other than China, it is just politics. They will work out. Even Mexico and Canada tariffs are suspended. It is white noise. But the trade problem with China is real.
They aren’t suspended though. There are significant tariffs on Canada still
Qualify for USMCA and there are no tariffs. Transship goods from Asia and you get hit.
Don’t forget about pharmaceuticals and medical innovation. Americans pay for that with tax cuts for research and then pay double and triple than foreigners do once developed.
Saying that does not make someone a tariff supporter. Just stating facts how Americans have been manipulated by others. It’s beyond frustrating that the idiot in chief is not taking a strong hint from the markets.
I hate to say it, but this is not 100% wrong. The Chinese do not play fair. I have first hand experience.
All the more reason to start trade wars with Canada, Mexico, Europe, Japan, India, Penguin Island and others not named Russia.
Other than China, it is just politics. They will work out. Even Mexico and Canada tariffs are suspended. It is white noise. But the trade problem with China is real.
They aren’t suspended though. There are significant tariffs on Canada still
Qualify for USMCA and there are no tariffs. Transship goods from Asia and you get hit.
You forgot the 25% on all steel and aluminum which is big.
Steel and aluminum from Asia, and even the EU, has been subject to high tariffs well before Trump.
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Oh No. Countries having safety standars
And you are happily defending, supporting and consuming living beings that feel the same feelings of survival as you, yet still being tortured and killed, not having had the chance to live the live that was given to them. Like you would use your last bit of energy and your last breath to get to do. Trying to say it is condescending to consider that vile?
Not to speak of the environmental impact. But I imagine they are of little concern when "minding ones own business". Go watch the fires in California when you get the chance. Or travel to see the droughts in Africa. While minding your own business.
How is it not vile I wonder.
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Why do think that is? Maybe forced labor and subsidized exports? People are clueless about labor in China and the level of America's reliance.
I hate to say it, but this is not 100% wrong. The Chinese do not play fair. I have first hand experience.
Other than China, it is just politics. They will work out. Even Mexico and Canada tariffs are suspended. It is white noise. But the trade problem with China is real.
Qualify for USMCA and there are no tariffs. Transship goods from Asia and you get hit.
Saying that does not make someone a tariff supporter. Just stating facts how Americans have been manipulated by others. It’s beyond frustrating that the idiot in chief is not taking a strong hint from the markets.
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1996; 9/28 New York
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Steel and aluminum from Asia, and even the EU, has been subject to high tariffs well before Trump.