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BF25394 · January 29

igotid88 said:

https://www.vulture.com/article/grammys-2025-predictions-who-will-should-win.html

With “Now and Then” not nominated, Best Rock Song is more of a wild card. “Gift Horse” could actually be Idles’s breakthrough win. But I see two more likely outcomes. One, “Dark Matter” is a late prize for the under-awarded Pearl Jam.

For as influential as they are, Pearl Jam has won just two Grammys — and one of those was for Best Recording Package. The Academy loves to correct their old mistakes, and this is a ripe opportunity. This year, Pearl Jam earned a trifecta of rock nominations for the first time, which points to a win for their 12th album, Dark Matter.

I'm always a little wary of takes that apply a hive mind paradigm to "the Academy," especially when it comes to genre awards.

demetrios · January 29

https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Matter-CD-Blu-ray-Audio/dp/B0CVLJYXSV

demetrios · January 31

igotid88 said:

https://www.vulture.com/article/grammys-2025-predictions-who-will-should-win.html

With “Now and Then” not nominated, Best Rock Song is more of a wild card. “Gift Horse” could actually be Idles’s breakthrough win. But I see two more likely outcomes. One, “Dark Matter” is a late prize for the under-awarded Pearl Jam.

For as influential as they are, Pearl Jam has won just two Grammys — and one of those was for Best Recording Package. The Academy loves to correct their old mistakes, and this is a ripe opportunity. This year, Pearl Jam earned a trifecta of rock nominations for the first time, which points to a win for their 12th album, Dark Matter.

Fingers crossed.

igotid88 · January 31

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/2025-grammy-predictions-1235249430/grammy-winner-predictions-for-best-country-song-1235249497/

Grammy Winner Predictions for Best Rock Album

The Nominees

The Black Crowes – Happiness Bastards

Fontaines D.C. – Romance

Green Day – Saviors

Idles – TANGK

Pearl Jam – Dark Matter

The Rolling Stones – Hackney Diamonds

Jack White – No Name

The Lowdown

It took the Grammys until 1995 to carve out a separate award for Best Rock Album, and they royally screwed it up that year by handing it to the Rolling Stones for Voodoo Lounge over Pearl Jam‘s Vs., R.E.M.’s Monster, Soundgarden’s Superunknown, and Neil Young’s Sleeps With Angels. In the years since, they sometimes got it very right (Green Day‘s American Idiot, U2’s All That You Can’t Leave Behind, Bruce Springsteen’s The Rising), but often got it very, very wrong (The Strokes’ The New Abnormal, Muse’s Drones, and no less than five Foo Fighters albums). It’s a competitive race this year with LPs by Green Day, Pearl Jam, Idles, and the Stones.

Who Should Win

The Rolling Stones – Hackney Diamonds

Pearl Jam, Green Day, and the Black Crowes all released stellar albums, but none stood miles above their best work of the Nineties or 2000s. Mick, Keith, and the band, meanwhile, haven’t even attempted a record of new songs since the uneven A Bigger Bang.

igotid88 · February 1

https://variety.com/lists/2025-grammys-awards-predictions/rock-performance/

Rock Album

jack white no name best albums

“Happiness Bastards” – The Black Crowes

“Romance” – Fontaines D.C.

“Saviors” – Green Day

“TANGK” – Idles

“Dark Matter” – Pearl Jam

“Hackney Diamonds” – The Rolling Stones

“No Name” – Jack White

Will Win: Jack White, “No Name”

"White had the most acclaimed album of this bunch, but that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily the most obvious or only pick, as there were as many people who actually liked the Pearl Jam or Stones album as might just pick one or the other of them out of habit."

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Jack White has 8 (12 if you count his other projects)Grammys and Pearl Jam (2) and The Rolling Stones (3) have 5 combined. So how would picking PJ or RS be out of habit?

BF25394 · February 1

igotid88 said:

https://variety.com/lists/2025-grammys-awards-predictions/rock-performance/

Rock Album
jack white no name best albums
“Happiness Bastards” – The Black Crowes
“Romance” – Fontaines D.C.
“Saviors” – Green Day
“TANGK” – Idles
“Dark Matter” – Pearl Jam
“Hackney Diamonds” – The Rolling Stones
“No Name” – Jack White
Will Win: Jack White, “No Name”

"White had the most acclaimed album of this bunch, but that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily the most obvious or only pick, as there were as many people who actually liked the Pearl Jam or Stones album as might just pick one or the other of them out of habit."
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Jack White has 8 (12 if you count his other projects)Grammys and Pearl Jam (2) and The Rolling Stones (3) have 5 combined. So how would picking PJ or RS be out of habit?

There could be voters who have voted for them in the past, but not enough for them to have won in the past.

Bear in mind, trying to make sense of award prognostications is a fool's errand. Nobody actually knows how the vote will shake out except the accountants.

Tim Simmons · February 1

I mean, erring on the side of what baby boomer white men (the largest swath of academy voters) think and feel, I think you can make a pretty educated guess.

Tim Simmons · February 1

It will be Jack White because hes traditional enough to appeal to that demo but he's edgy enough so they can look not out of touch.

igotid88 · February 1

BF25394 said:

igotid88 said:

https://variety.com/lists/2025-grammys-awards-predictions/rock-performance/

Rock Album
jack white no name best albums
“Happiness Bastards” – The Black Crowes
“Romance” – Fontaines D.C.
“Saviors” – Green Day
“TANGK” – Idles
“Dark Matter” – Pearl Jam
“Hackney Diamonds” – The Rolling Stones
“No Name” – Jack White
Will Win: Jack White, “No Name”

"White had the most acclaimed album of this bunch, but that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily the most obvious or only pick, as there were as many people who actually liked the Pearl Jam or Stones album as might just pick one or the other of them out of habit."
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Jack White has 8 (12 if you count his other projects)Grammys and Pearl Jam (2) and The Rolling Stones (3) have 5 combined. So how would picking PJ or RS be out of habit?

There could be voters who have voted for them in the past, but not enough for them to have won in the past.

Bear in mind, trying to make sense of award prognostications is a fool's errand. Nobody actually knows how the vote will shake out except the accountants.

It still doesn't make sense. Because out of habit means it happens a lot and PJ rarely wins or gets nominated. Beyoncé is the habit. Jack White is the habit. Foo Fighters are the habit. So yes they've gotten votes during the process in the past. But not enough to say out of habit. And saying out of habit indicates that they weren't deserved. I wish they had gotten some out of habit votes.

igotid88 · February 2

if they don't win for rock song or performance. i doubt they'll win for rock album

demetrios · February 2

igotid88 said:

if they don't win for rock song or performance. i doubt they'll win for rock album

Would be great if they least win one award.

igotid88 · February 2

Pearl Jam lose to The Beatles for Rock Performance

igotid88 · February 2

Pearl Jam lose to St. Vincent for Best Rock Song

igotid88 · February 2

Pearl Jam lose to The Rolling Stones for Best Rock Album

igotid88 · February 2

Andrew Watt while accepting the award for the Rolling Stones said Pearl Jam are also here and they "Fucking Rock". I don't know if he means in spirit or physically

Tim Simmons · February 2

Again, none of this is important, but this is a great example of why Rock is a dying genre in the culture. The Beatles and Stones really had the best song/album in 23/24? Really? I know this speaks more to Grammy voters more than anything, but what a boring group of nominations. Idles, Fontaines, Annie, and JW3, sure. But Jack should be the ceiling for the more seasoned artist that is just “plugging away”. Half the artists being around for 30-60 years already and being regarded as putting out the best of Rock is Bonkers.

igotid88 · February 2

https://www.billboard.com/video/jeff-ament-from-pearl-jam-andrew-watt-talk-on-working-together-on-new-album-grammys-2025/?link_source=ta_thread_link&taid=679ff72b1f72bd000162f1f7&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=threads&fbclid=IwY2xjawIM40hleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHXHpbJGHqQQacOXQ31sP8oDAvD0772Xs3MHRJHi3g03vk9w1pAAEwp2iag_aem_KEEFkEOUusil4t_hM5d-3w

BF25394 · February 3

Tim Simmons said:

I mean, erring on the side of what baby boomer white men (the largest swath of academy voters) think and feel, I think you can make a pretty educated guess.

The voting doesn't work this way, and the Academy is a lot more diverse than it used to be.

BF25394 · February 3

Tim Simmons said:

Again, none of this is important, but this is a great example of why Rock is a dying genre in the culture. The Beatles and Stones really had the best song/album in 23/24? Really? I know this speaks more to Grammy voters more than anything, but what a boring group of nominations. Idles, Fontaines, Annie, and JW3, sure. But Jack should be the ceiling for the more seasoned artist that is just “plugging away”. Half the artists being around for 30-60 years already and being regarded as putting out the best of Rock is Bonkers.

It's actually not just about the voters; it's about the audience. In 2024, here is a sampling of the rock and alternative artists whose music was most consumed, according to Billboard:

Eagles (No. 25)
Nickelback (No. 23)
The Beatles (No. 17)
Queen (No. 16)
Creedence Clearwater Revival (No. 15)
Elton John (No. 14)
Fleetwood Mac (No. 9)

(And the new artists that fill up the other slots on this list are mostly pop-oriented acts like Billie Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo and Taylor Swift. A lot of people here will have trouble wrapping their heads around those artists being categorized as rock, although Rodrigo is a pretty clear-cut case and Eilish genre-hops in and out of rock. In Swift's case, it's because Folklore and Evermore were categorized as alternative. Again, some people will not understand this, but there would be no argument if it came out under a different name. Remember these songs were produced and heavily played on by Aaron Dessner from the National and featured contributions from Justin Vernon (Bon Iver) and Marcus Mumford, among others. Anyway, the point is that "new" rock bands in the traditional sense are few and far between among the most-consumed artists.)

Among the 50 most-consumed rock albums, you had greatest-hits albums by CCR, Queen, Tom Petty, Journey, Guns N' Roses, Aerosmith, Bob Seger, Foo Fighters, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Bon Jovi, Fleetwood Mac, Elvis, Eagles, two by the Beatles, Billy Joel, Creed, Nickelback and Blink-182, as well as Rumours, Nevermind, Back in Black, Metallica, [Hybrid Theory] and Meteora.

People stop listening to new music as they get older. Rock fans are as guilty of this as anyone. And since rock is less prominent in the culture, as you note, it means that younger listeners who are open to new music are generally not seeking out the new rock bands that are their peers or contemporaries. So you've got a rock audience that is mostly middle-aged and older and they're mostly listening to the same stuff they've always listened to.

igotid88 · February 4

I wanted a win or at least a televised mention of one of the rock awards categories. So they could do well on the charts. Dark Matter is #85 on the ITunes Rock Album chart.

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