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Yeah skateboard vs assault rifle sounds fair...mace1229 said:
I would save a lot of money if my employer just paid me directly what they claim to pay insurance, and I was free to get my own coverage with it. These group policies tied to work have usually been junk when I compare cost to coverage. But it isn't worth it to pay 100% out of pocket for premiums by going somewhere else.mickeyrat said:pjl44 said:One of my biggest hobby horses with healthcare that is probably way too involved to discuss on a message board: disentangle health insurance from employers. There are too many bad downstream effects that come from your health insurance being tied to your job.
you are free to choose from any number of plans within the aca. even if or when you have employer offered insurance.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Concept of plan to be implemented by 1st week of February 2039! This incoming administration doesn’t want good healthcare if that was the case why not already have the blueprint for a plan to benefit all Americans? It’s been 9 years and running and Republicans don’t have a fucking clue on a plan and the head 🤡 has a concept but ACA is bad.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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josevolution said:Concept of plan to be implemented by 1st week of February 2039! This incoming administration doesn’t want good healthcare if that was the case why not already have the blueprint for a plan to benefit all Americans? It’s been 9 years and running and Republicans don’t have a fucking clue on a plan and the head 🤡 has a concept but ACA is bad.
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😂😂 yes and he’s also responsible for the 1st man on the 🌚mickeyrat said:josevolution said:Concept of plan to be implemented by 1st week of February 2039! This incoming administration doesn’t want good healthcare if that was the case why not already have the blueprint for a plan to benefit all Americans? It’s been 9 years and running and Republicans don’t have a fucking clue on a plan and the head 🤡 has a concept but ACA is bad.
and he saved it....jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
A better writer than me summarizes my feelings re Warren and (maybe?) to your point hereTim Simmons said:
Well, we do have laws. And the law assigns all the blame to the perp.Lerxst1992 said:pjl44 said:There doesn't need to be a "but" when you're "condemning" murder
why do we not assign any blame to them?But self reflection by society and its institutions should always be occurring. And that’s what this has seemingly spurred. Hopefully we keep the discussion going.
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Who’s the writer and source?pjl44 said:
A better writer than me summarizes my feelings re Warren and (maybe?) to your point hereTim Simmons said:
Well, we do have laws. And the law assigns all the blame to the perp.Lerxst1992 said:pjl44 said:There doesn't need to be a "but" when you're "condemning" murder
why do we not assign any blame to them?But self reflection by society and its institutions should always be occurring. And that’s what this has seemingly spurred. Hopefully we keep the discussion going.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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And why no fauxrage at what Bernie had to say? Is it because he’s a white male?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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With this in mind, what’s your take on the Daniel Penny situation?pjl44 said:
A better writer than me summarizes my feelings re Warren and (maybe?) to your point hereTim Simmons said:
Well, we do have laws. And the law assigns all the blame to the perp.Lerxst1992 said:pjl44 said:There doesn't need to be a "but" when you're "condemning" murder
why do we not assign any blame to them?But self reflection by society and its institutions should always be occurring. And that’s what this has seemingly spurred. Hopefully we keep the discussion going.0 -
good bit. got a link to the whole thing?
But also, we should extract no lesson from this? or do they just not like warren so its convenient to tie a message and person they don't like together?
Like I said earlier, this reeks of being adjacent to every mass shooting dialog. People come out claiming that its "too soon" to address guns in society after a tragedy. But these same people never circle back to it (which is exactly how they want to deal with it) after some appropriate time. I don't think there is anything wrong with saying, this is a deplorable event, but do you see the correlation here too. Lets reflect on that and try to spur change to not only prevent people from thinking this is OK but also to improve lives.
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This statement of Elizabeth’s is what has the fauxrage machine working overtime?“The visceral response from people across the country who feel cheated, ripped off, and threatened by the vile practices of their insurance companies should be a warning to everyone in the healthcare system,”“Violence is never the answer,”
“But people can only be pushed so far.”
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Correct verdict by the juryGo Beavers said:
With this in mind, what’s your take on the Daniel Penny situation?pjl44 said:
A better writer than me summarizes my feelings re Warren and (maybe?) to your point hereTim Simmons said:
Well, we do have laws. And the law assigns all the blame to the perp.Lerxst1992 said:pjl44 said:There doesn't need to be a "but" when you're "condemning" murder
why do we not assign any blame to them?But self reflection by society and its institutions should always be occurring. And that’s what this has seemingly spurred. Hopefully we keep the discussion going.0 -
Link below. Maybe paywalled? Also includes a similar contrast with Fetterman.Tim Simmons said:good bit. got a link to the whole thing?
But also, we should extract no lesson from this? or do they just not like warren so its convenient to tie a message and person they don't like together?
Like I said earlier, this reeks of being adjacent to every mass shooting dialog. People come out claiming that its "too soon" to address guns in society after a tragedy. But these same people never circle back to it (which is exactly how they want to deal with it) after some appropriate time. I don't think there is anything wrong with saying, this is a deplorable event, but do you see the correlation here too. Lets reflect on that and try to spur change to not only prevent people from thinking this is OK but also to improve lives.
And correct we do not need to extract a lesson from a psychopath murdering someone in the street. We arrest and try them and get on with our day.
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Ah so its EXACTLY like the guns argument. Standing athwart yelling, too bad so sadpjl44 said:
And correct we do not need to extract a lesson from a psychopath murdering someone in the street. We arrest and try them and get on with our day.Tim Simmons said:good bit. got a link to the whole thing?
But also, we should extract no lesson from this? or do they just not like warren so its convenient to tie a message and person they don't like together?
Like I said earlier, this reeks of being adjacent to every mass shooting dialog. People come out claiming that its "too soon" to address guns in society after a tragedy. But these same people never circle back to it (which is exactly how they want to deal with it) after some appropriate time. I don't think there is anything wrong with saying, this is a deplorable event, but do you see the correlation here too. Lets reflect on that and try to spur change to not only prevent people from thinking this is OK but also to improve lives.
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I don't agree. Here's what I think the argument is:Tim Simmons said:
Ah so its EXACTLY like the guns argument. Standing athwart yelling, too bad so sadpjl44 said:
Link below. Maybe paywalled? Also includes a similar contrast with Fetterman.Tim Simmons said:good bit. got a link to the whole thing?
But also, we should extract no lesson from this? or do they just not like warren so its convenient to tie a message and person they don't like together?
Like I said earlier, this reeks of being adjacent to every mass shooting dialog. People come out claiming that its "too soon" to address guns in society after a tragedy. But these same people never circle back to it (which is exactly how they want to deal with it) after some appropriate time. I don't think there is anything wrong with saying, this is a deplorable event, but do you see the correlation here too. Lets reflect on that and try to spur change to not only prevent people from thinking this is OK but also to improve lives.
And correct we do not need to extract a lesson from a psychopath murdering someone in the street. We arrest and try them and get on with our day.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/how-to-respond-to-an-assassination-and-how-never-to/
You and I would probably disagree on how to reform the healthcare system despite agreeing it needs fixing. I have strong opinions but it's so convoluted that some of them could be wrong or produce unintended consequences. Hopefully you'd approach your views with the same humility. We could have had that discussion a month ago. I know I have with others here at least.
A healthcare executive being assassinated changes nothing. We could have the same conversation today or next week and it has no impact on my opinions. But that's embedded in what Warren and her ilk are saying. That this should move people's positions. Which is grotesque to take away from a murder.
But it's not too soon. You can have whatever conversation you want about healthcare whenever you want. There's just no reason to expect anyone's positions to have changed from a month ago.0 -
But it did change something. The day after this BCBS reversed a policy on limiting payments for anesthesia.
But its not even about the how to fix things. Its about seeing this and saying, I understand how a misanthrope came to the decision to do this. Its not right and its not just, but the system which has been broken for sometime, has brought the end all be all worst consequence. Maybe we should attempt to improve society somewhat to prevent this from happening further. This is not a (non) negotiation with terrorists, this is the further eroding of societal balance because of misplaced priorities.
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We just disagree then. I completely reject this framing and the ideology that drives it.Tim Simmons said:But it did change something. The day after this BCBS reversed a policy on limiting payments for anesthesia.
But its not even about the how to fix things. Its about seeing this and saying, I understand how a misanthrope came to the decision to do this. Its not right and its not just, but the system which has been broken for sometime, has brought the end all be all worst consequence. Maybe we should attempt to improve society somewhat to prevent this from happening further. This is not a (non) negotiation with terrorists, this is the further eroding of societal balance because of misplaced priorities.0 -
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So you’re seeing an avoidable killing as justified.pjl44 said:
Correct verdict by the juryGo Beavers said:
With this in mind, what’s your take on the Daniel Penny situation?pjl44 said:
A better writer than me summarizes my feelings re Warren and (maybe?) to your point hereTim Simmons said:
Well, we do have laws. And the law assigns all the blame to the perp.Lerxst1992 said:pjl44 said:There doesn't need to be a "but" when you're "condemning" murder
why do we not assign any blame to them?But self reflection by society and its institutions should always be occurring. And that’s what this has seemingly spurred. Hopefully we keep the discussion going.0
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