Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.
Say that out loud Yankee fans.
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.
Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.
they should let them grow facial hair, too.
Most ridiculous team rule in all of organized sports. It's not 1958 anymore, no need to enforce clean shaven buzz cut wearing robots as players.
Facial hair? What’s next? No caps or sleeves? Slippery slope!
Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.
Say that out loud Yankee fans.
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
That's great. All teams should do that. Yankees have long done much of this. Arod/CC had suites, Tanaka was given X number of first class flights to Japan a year, they always stay at the Four Seasons or something similar, their charter plane is top notch, they treat visiting players well in that they uniformly say the post game spread is the best in the game.
Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.
Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.
They had to pay for their suites though. Soto wanted it included
Almost 800 million and he couldn’t pay for his own suite. Nice
right?
C'mon, after taxes, management fees and taking present value for future salaries (c'mon $51M salary in 2040 is worth only $24M today) $765M doesn't go as far as it seems.
Seriously...I think there is an intangible at play here, like the Cohens are "with" the players. That's why I brought up the in stadium family center they invested in. They are going all in on the metsies after having Steinbrenners steal their hearts for 50 years. Luxury tax be damned.
Max Fried signs 8 year, $218M deal with the Yankees. Hate to lose him, but he was always going to command more than the Braves would be willing to pay.
lol they offered $800 fucking million. That’s the intangible. You’re acting like he gave them a discount because they gave him a suite. Literally the biggest contact in the history of sports
lol they offered $800 fucking million. That’s the intangible. You’re acting like he gave them a discount because they gave him a suite. Literally the biggest contact in the history of sports
Juan’s mama was down on the yankees.
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lol they offered $800 fucking million. That’s the intangible. You’re acting like he gave them a discount because they gave him a suite. Literally the biggest contact in the history of sports
Lol seriously, I mean I'll buy Cohen is willing to do whatever it takes to make things happen. But at the end of the day that's because of dollars.
Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.
Say that out loud Yankee fans.
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.
Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.
they should let them grow facial hair, too.
Most ridiculous team rule in all of organized sports. It's not 1958 anymore, no need to enforce clean shaven buzz cut wearing robots as players.
This actually one of my fav things the Yankees do.
You can have facial hair just nothing below the lip line. Think of cops, firemen, military. All business looking.
lol they offered $800 fucking million. That’s the intangible. You’re acting like he gave them a discount because they gave him a suite. Literally the biggest contact in the history of sports
Most experts believe he will not take the risk to open up the contract before we count the last $40.. If we pull an Ohtani and present value the $40 million risk to open up the deal, it's only worth $23M. Fact is, he got something of significant value TO HIM, that the Yanks refused to offer.
Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.
Say that out loud Yankee fans.
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.
Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.
they should let them grow facial hair, too.
Most ridiculous team rule in all of organized sports. It's not 1958 anymore, no need to enforce clean shaven buzz cut wearing robots as players.
This actually one of my fav things the Yankees do.
You can have facial hair just nothing below the lip line. Think of cops, firemen, military. All business looking.
half the cops in Utah have beards. For firefighters, it’s about the SCBA seal.
If I had known then what I know now...
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lol they offered $800 fucking million. That’s the intangible. You’re acting like he gave them a discount because they gave him a suite. Literally the biggest contact in the history of sports
Lol seriously, I mean I'll buy Cohen is willing to do whatever it takes to make things happen. But at the end of the day that's because of dollars.
Well then you need to cut the dollars spent in half because this signing has double the value as it weakens the Yankees as much as it improves the Mets. Since Cohen is hell bent on a championship, the Yanks are a significant barrier to that, even given their weak .184 post season right fielder.
lol they offered $800 fucking million. That’s the intangible. You’re acting like he gave them a discount because they gave him a suite. Literally the biggest contact in the history of sports
Lol seriously, I mean I'll buy Cohen is willing to do whatever it takes to make things happen. But at the end of the day that's because of dollars.
Well then you need to cut the dollars spent in half because this signing has double the value as it weakens the Yankees as much as it improves the Mets. Since Cohen is hell bent on a championship, the Yanks are a significant barrier to that, even given their weak .184 post season right fielder.
Mets have no path out of the NL, so you don't need to worry about the Yankees in the World Series
lol they offered $800 fucking million. That’s the intangible. You’re acting like he gave them a discount because they gave him a suite. Literally the biggest contact in the history of sports
Lol seriously, I mean I'll buy Cohen is willing to do whatever it takes to make things happen. But at the end of the day that's because of dollars.
Well then you need to cut the dollars spent in half because this signing has double the value as it weakens the Yankees as much as it improves the Mets. Since Cohen is hell bent on a championship, the Yanks are a significant barrier to that, even given their weak .184 post season right fielder.
Mets have no path out of the NL, so you don't need to worry about the Yankees in the World Series
Haha, I guess we should listen to all the expert predictors who two months ago urged everyone to sell google with their antitrust loss. Then this week they announce a transformational improvement to computing power, and now at a record high.
Mets took LA to six with barely an appearance from their ace pitcher. Yanks next year? Without Mr 184's protection in the lineup?
Soto chose the Mets over the Yanks because they showed him video of spring training drills where they teach their pitchers to cover first base on ground balls.
Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.
Say that out loud Yankee fans.
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.
Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.
they should let them grow facial hair, too.
Most ridiculous team rule in all of organized sports. It's not 1958 anymore, no need to enforce clean shaven buzz cut wearing robots as players.
This actually one of my fav things the Yankees do.
You can have facial hair just nothing below the lip line. Think of cops, firemen, military. All business looking.
half the cops in Utah have beards. For firefighters, it’s about the SCBA seal.
Our cops do not and none from the 70-20110's did either. Last couple of years they have laxed some.
Soto chose the Mets over the Yanks because they showed him video of spring training drills where they teach their pitchers to cover first base on ground balls.
So in the end, the "perks" Soto received is what sold him to the mets. Notice how i say "sold". It was about the money. That suite costs 500k a year or so. Thats a a big perk.
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C'mon, after taxes, management fees and taking present value for future salaries (c'mon $51M salary in 2040 is worth only $24M today) $765M doesn't go as far as it seems.
Seriously...I think there is an intangible at play here, like the Cohens are "with" the players. That's why I brought up the in stadium family center they invested in. They are going all in on the metsies after having Steinbrenners steal their hearts for 50 years. Luxury tax be damned.
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You can have facial hair just nothing below the lip line. Think of cops, firemen, military. All business looking.
Most experts believe he will not take the risk to open up the contract before we count the last $40.. If we pull an Ohtani and present value the $40 million risk to open up the deal, it's only worth $23M. Fact is, he got something of significant value TO HIM, that the Yanks refused to offer.
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Well then you need to cut the dollars spent in half because this signing has double the value as it weakens the Yankees as much as it improves the Mets. Since Cohen is hell bent on a championship, the Yanks are a significant barrier to that, even given their weak .184 post season right fielder.
Haha, I guess we should listen to all the expert predictors who two months ago urged everyone to sell google with their antitrust loss. Then this week they announce a transformational improvement to computing power, and now at a record high.
Mets took LA to six with barely an appearance from their ace pitcher. Yanks next year? Without Mr 184's protection in the lineup?
Whodathunk that Utah would be progressive?
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