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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,541
    Gern Blansten said:
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    Tim Simmons said:
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    Putting aside Elizabeth Warren's baseline stupidity and overinflated sense of self, it seems insane for a divisive government official to put this out in the ether. For self preservation if nothing else.



    She's right. People will fight back as evidenced right here in front of you.
    If the Presidential election were held next week I probably would have voted for Trump. 
    This is fucking hilarious BTW.  But I get it, you’d hate to be associated with monsters who have vile positions on topics. 

    No what I'm saying is I'm being forced to associate with monsters at either turn. I would love for the standard Democrat line on this be in lockstep with Fetterman and Shapiro.
    It is. 
    It's not Elizabeth Warren's. Do you think that she and you are saying the same thing those guys are?
    Your own post shows that she condemned the killing...what else do you want? 
    No equivocating like Fetterman and Shapiro
    Ok but if a follow up question was "do you think this killing reflects a problem with our healthcare system" they would likely say yes. You are creating an argument out of unknowns.
    I'm gonna go with what they actually said vs any words you're putting in their mouths
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,632
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Putting aside Elizabeth Warren's baseline stupidity and overinflated sense of self, it seems insane for a divisive government official to put this out in the ether. For self preservation if nothing else.



    She's right. People will fight back as evidenced right here in front of you.
    If the Presidential election were held next week I probably would have voted for Trump. 
    This is fucking hilarious BTW.  But I get it, you’d hate to be associated with monsters who have vile positions on topics. 

    No what I'm saying is I'm being forced to associate with monsters at either turn. I would love for the standard Democrat line on this be in lockstep with Fetterman and Shapiro.
    It is. 
    It's not Elizabeth Warren's. Do you think that she and you are saying the same thing those guys are?
    Your own post shows that she condemned the killing...what else do you want? 
    No equivocating like Fetterman and Shapiro
    pjl44 said:
    There doesn't need to be a "but" when you're "condemning" murder
    So what you are saying is, the systems fine as is. No notes? 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,632
    I mean, the HC system is working as intended. So to take the “no notes” position is fine.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,541
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Putting aside Elizabeth Warren's baseline stupidity and overinflated sense of self, it seems insane for a divisive government official to put this out in the ether. For self preservation if nothing else.



    She's right. People will fight back as evidenced right here in front of you.
    If the Presidential election were held next week I probably would have voted for Trump. 
    This is fucking hilarious BTW.  But I get it, you’d hate to be associated with monsters who have vile positions on topics. 

    No what I'm saying is I'm being forced to associate with monsters at either turn. I would love for the standard Democrat line on this be in lockstep with Fetterman and Shapiro.
    It is. 
    It's not Elizabeth Warren's. Do you think that she and you are saying the same thing those guys are?
    Your own post shows that she condemned the killing...what else do you want? 
    No equivocating like Fetterman and Shapiro
    pjl44 said:
    There doesn't need to be a "but" when you're "condemning" murder
    So what you are saying is, the systems fine as is. No notes? 
    Absolutely not. I have a lot of thoughts about improving the healthcare system which does not work as well as it could. But no one should be murdering anyone.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    pjl44 said:
    The scion of a prominent, wealthy family who graduated valedictorian of a 40k/year prep school is having his "life minimized" folks
    Oh the drama.
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  • Tim Simmons
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    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    This is EXACTLY why democrats just lost. They don’t want connect on the issues that are affecting real people. At worst People are crushed by medical debt and insurance costs at best, they’ve had headaches trying to navigate insurance in 2024. People are apathetic to this killing because all they’ve endured is a system that prioritizes profits for shareholders over human life. Murder is wrong, but how far removed is it from saying,”sorry we’ve evaluated your situation and you don’t qualify for coverage.  Eat of luck with your medical issue”.
    If you think Democrats lost because of the Shapiro/Fetterman approach and not the Warren approach I wish you luck with that strategy in 2026
    Democrats lost because they can't connect with what the culture is feeling. 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,541
    One of my biggest hobby horses with healthcare that is probably way too involved to discuss on a message board: disentangle health insurance from employers. There are too many bad downstream effects that come from your health insurance being tied to your job.
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,632
    edited December 2024
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Putting aside Elizabeth Warren's baseline stupidity and overinflated sense of self, it seems insane for a divisive government official to put this out in the ether. For self preservation if nothing else.



    She's right. People will fight back as evidenced right here in front of you.
    If the Presidential election were held next week I probably would have voted for Trump. 
    This is fucking hilarious BTW.  But I get it, you’d hate to be associated with monsters who have vile positions on topics. 

    No what I'm saying is I'm being forced to associate with monsters at either turn. I would love for the standard Democrat line on this be in lockstep with Fetterman and Shapiro.
    It is. 
    It's not Elizabeth Warren's. Do you think that she and you are saying the same thing those guys are?
    Your own post shows that she condemned the killing...what else do you want? 
    No equivocating like Fetterman and Shapiro
    pjl44 said:
    There doesn't need to be a "but" when you're "condemning" murder
    So what you are saying is, the systems fine as is. No notes? 
    Absolutely not. I have a lot of thoughts about improving the healthcare system which does not work as well as it could. But no one should be murdering anyone.
    Literally no one in position of authority is saying that should happen. You seem to be taking issue with the fact some politicians have decided to address the root cause of the anger that led to murder after saying Murder is bad.

  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,632
    I mean, pushback on this is barely removed from the "its too soon after the gun tragedy to be discussing guns in society".

  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,541
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    This is EXACTLY why democrats just lost. They don’t want connect on the issues that are affecting real people. At worst People are crushed by medical debt and insurance costs at best, they’ve had headaches trying to navigate insurance in 2024. People are apathetic to this killing because all they’ve endured is a system that prioritizes profits for shareholders over human life. Murder is wrong, but how far removed is it from saying,”sorry we’ve evaluated your situation and you don’t qualify for coverage.  Eat of luck with your medical issue”.
    If you think Democrats lost because of the Shapiro/Fetterman approach and not the Warren approach I wish you luck with that strategy in 2026
    Democrats lost because they can't connect with what the culture is feeling. 
    You are absolutely right but I wholeheartedly believe you're wrong about which Democrats. Good luck!
  • Tim Simmons
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    thanks?

  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,541
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Putting aside Elizabeth Warren's baseline stupidity and overinflated sense of self, it seems insane for a divisive government official to put this out in the ether. For self preservation if nothing else.



    She's right. People will fight back as evidenced right here in front of you.
    If the Presidential election were held next week I probably would have voted for Trump. 
    This is fucking hilarious BTW.  But I get it, you’d hate to be associated with monsters who have vile positions on topics. 

    No what I'm saying is I'm being forced to associate with monsters at either turn. I would love for the standard Democrat line on this be in lockstep with Fetterman and Shapiro.
    It is. 
    It's not Elizabeth Warren's. Do you think that she and you are saying the same thing those guys are?
    Your own post shows that she condemned the killing...what else do you want? 
    No equivocating like Fetterman and Shapiro
    pjl44 said:
    There doesn't need to be a "but" when you're "condemning" murder
    So what you are saying is, the systems fine as is. No notes? 
    Absolutely not. I have a lot of thoughts about improving the healthcare system which does not work as well as it could. But no one should be murdering anyone.
    Literally no one in position of authority is saying that should happen. You seem to be taking issue with the fact some politicians have decided to address the root cause of the anger that led to murder after saying Murder is bad.

    When they are equivocating, yes I am
  • mace1229
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    josevolution said:
    You know what’s bizarre about this killing which by the way I don’t condone! Pundits on fox are outraged about the sympathizers of Luigi but cheered loudly when Kyle Rittenhouse killed the protesters! 
    You can't compare the two. One was a cold blood assassination, the other he fled for his life before fighting back.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,248
    pjl44 said:
    One of my biggest hobby horses with healthcare that is probably way too involved to discuss on a message board: disentangle health insurance from employers. There are too many bad downstream effects that come from your health insurance being tied to your job.
    I agree with that. I'm all for single payer or universal. 
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  • Gern Blansten
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    mace1229 said:
    josevolution said:
    You know what’s bizarre about this killing which by the way I don’t condone! Pundits on fox are outraged about the sympathizers of Luigi but cheered loudly when Kyle Rittenhouse killed the protesters! 
    You can't compare the two. One was a cold blood assassination, the other he fled for his life before fighting back.
    But he inserted himself in the middle of a protest that he had no business being in.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    Gern Blansten said:
    mace1229 said:
    josevolution said:
    You know what’s bizarre about this killing which by the way I don’t condone! Pundits on fox are outraged about the sympathizers of Luigi but cheered loudly when Kyle Rittenhouse killed the protesters! 
    You can't compare the two. One was a cold blood assassination, the other he fled for his life before fighting back.
    But he inserted himself in the middle of a protest that he had no business being in.
    I would agree a 17 year old should not be allowed to be armed in public. 
    But he has as much business being there as anyone else.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,541
    Gern Blansten said:
    mace1229 said:
    josevolution said:
    You know what’s bizarre about this killing which by the way I don’t condone! Pundits on fox are outraged about the sympathizers of Luigi but cheered loudly when Kyle Rittenhouse killed the protesters! 
    You can't compare the two. One was a cold blood assassination, the other he fled for his life before fighting back.
    But he inserted himself in the middle of a protest that he had no business being in.
    Horrible decision. Not a crime 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,248
    mace1229 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mace1229 said:
    josevolution said:
    You know what’s bizarre about this killing which by the way I don’t condone! Pundits on fox are outraged about the sympathizers of Luigi but cheered loudly when Kyle Rittenhouse killed the protesters! 
    You can't compare the two. One was a cold blood assassination, the other he fled for his life before fighting back.
    But he inserted himself in the middle of a protest that he had no business being in.
    I would agree a 17 year old should not be allowed to be armed in public. 
    But he has as much business being there as anyone else.
    Not carrying an assault rifle. My opinion.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • mace1229
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    Gern Blansten said:
    mace1229 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mace1229 said:
    josevolution said:
    You know what’s bizarre about this killing which by the way I don’t condone! Pundits on fox are outraged about the sympathizers of Luigi but cheered loudly when Kyle Rittenhouse killed the protesters! 
    You can't compare the two. One was a cold blood assassination, the other he fled for his life before fighting back.
    But he inserted himself in the middle of a protest that he had no business being in.
    I would agree a 17 year old should not be allowed to be armed in public. 
    But he has as much business being there as anyone else.
    Not carrying an assault rifle. My opinion.
    I agree with part of your original statement, it was weird some outlets praised him as a hero. Just don't think it compares to this assassination. 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,248
    mace1229 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mace1229 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mace1229 said:
    josevolution said:
    You know what’s bizarre about this killing which by the way I don’t condone! Pundits on fox are outraged about the sympathizers of Luigi but cheered loudly when Kyle Rittenhouse killed the protesters! 
    You can't compare the two. One was a cold blood assassination, the other he fled for his life before fighting back.
    But he inserted himself in the middle of a protest that he had no business being in.
    I would agree a 17 year old should not be allowed to be armed in public. 
    But he has as much business being there as anyone else.
    Not carrying an assault rifle. My opinion.
    I agree with part of your original statement, it was weird some outlets praised him as a hero. Just don't think it compares to this assassination. 
    The lack of empathy for Rittenhouse's victims is definitely the same. The circumstances are different but his victims didn't have assault rifles.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2

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