GC31608 said:

mookeywrench said:

mookeywrench said:

GC31608 said:

mookeywrench said:

Bentleyspop said:

Wish this sentiment holds steady. But there will undoubtedly be forthcoming protests in all the hot spots by those just looking for an excuse to smash a window.

What kind of lame gaslighting is this?

Super lame since that's not what gaslighting is.

It is exactly that.

>>>Not following how any of the above would fit the definition of gaslighting.

There absolutely would’ve been window smashing and all kinds of violent protesting if trump had lost.

>>>Agreed and never made a statement saying there wouldn't have been.

Haven’t seen that from the other side after an election.

>>>Move to Seattle/Olympia/Portland. There are people who make careers out of it.

Yeah no, never seen it happen. But you keep on trucking along lil buddy.

Will do, have a great day tiger.

mookeywrench said:

GC31608 said:

mookeywrench said:

mookeywrench said:

GC31608 said:

mookeywrench said:

Bentleyspop said:

Wish this sentiment holds steady. But there will undoubtedly be forthcoming protests in all the hot spots by those just looking for an excuse to smash a window.

What kind of lame gaslighting is this?

Super lame since that's not what gaslighting is.

It is exactly that.

>>>Not following how any of the above would fit the definition of gaslighting.

There absolutely would’ve been window smashing and all kinds of violent protesting if trump had lost.

>>>Agreed and never made a statement saying there wouldn't have been.

Haven’t seen that from the other side after an election.

>>>Move to Seattle/Olympia/Portland. There are people who make careers out of it.

Yeah no, never seen it happen. But you keep on trucking along lil buddy.

Will do, have a great day tiger.

Tell me more so I can understand better.

smile6680 said:

I believe true moderates saw this coming. I noticed that there were way less signs out than there usually are around here(Northern New England). I told my wife there is a lot more support for Trump this time around. Typically most people around the towns surrounding mine have some sort of sign up supporting or criticism a candidate.

I believe a lot of moderates didn't want to admit who they were voting for due to Trump being a horrible (in my opinion) person. Hopefully the Democratic party pulls away from the far left and makes a comeback next time around. 

Hopefully the Republicans will resist the temptation to enact far right policies while they control, the House, Senate and presidency. 

As an independent, I don't understand this point of view. The Republican party consists almost entirely of radicals. Most of the moderates have left the party since Trump. Most of the elected moderates have been primaried by more radical MAGA types. The Democrats are not beholden to the far left to the extent that the Republicans are beholden to the far right. Two of the key factions in the Biden coalition that won the 2020 election were socially conservative black church ladies and moderate suburban women. Look at it this way. Far-right voters voted for Trump enthusiastically. Nothing he does can dissuade them from supporting him. Far-left voters (the pro-Hamas people, the defund-the-police people) either held their nose while voting for Harris or didn't vote at all, because she's not actually as radical as they are.

One of the comical thing about our politics is how the Republicans successfully paint Democrats as radicals when their party is the one that wants to fire the civil servants, overturn the long-enshrined right to abortion, abandon NATO, destroy the administrative state, and overturn elections. The Republicans get an amazing amount of mileage out of fringe issues like transgender rights. (I don't mean to sound dismissive of transgender rights, but the fact is that a very small number of voters are making voting decisions based on where the parties stand on that issue. Many Democrats are ambivalent about trans rights, and even among the majority of Democrats who support trans rights, it is not high on their list of top issues. But Republicans manage to convince people that an overwhelming majority of Democrats want to turn your little boy into a little girl. It says a lot about the influence of Republican media that hammers home these wedge issues all day every day.)

BF25394 said:

smile6680 said:

I believe true moderates saw this coming. I noticed that there were way less signs out than there usually are around here(Northern New England). I told my wife there is a lot more support for Trump this time around. Typically most people around the towns surrounding mine have some sort of sign up supporting or criticism a candidate.

I believe a lot of moderates didn't want to admit who they were voting for due to Trump being a horrible (in my opinion) person. Hopefully the Democratic party pulls away from the far left and makes a comeback next time around. 

Hopefully the Republicans will resist the temptation to enact far right policies while they control, the House, Senate and presidency. 

As an independent, I don't understand this point of view. The Republican party consists almost entirely of radicals. Most of the moderates have left the party since Trump. Most of the elected moderates have been primaried by more radical MAGA types. The Democrats are not beholden to the far left to the extent that the Republicans are beholden to the far right. Two of the key factions in the Biden coalition that won the 2020 election were socially conservative black church ladies and moderate suburban women. Look at it this way. Far-right voters voted for Trump enthusiastically. Nothing he does can dissuade them from supporting him. Far-left voters (the pro-Hamas people, the defund-the-police people) either held their nose while voting for Harris or didn't vote at all, because she's not actually as radical as they are.

One of the comical thing about our politics is how the Republicans successfully paint Democrats as radicals when their party is the one that wants to fire the civil servants, overturn the long-enshrined right to abortion, abandon NATO, destroy the administrative state, and overturn elections. The Republicans get an amazing amount of mileage out of fringe issues like transgender rights. (I don't mean to sound dismissive of transgender rights, but the fact is that a very small number of voters are making voting decisions based on where the parties stand on that issue. Many Democrats are ambivalent about trans rights, and even among the majority of Democrats who support trans rights, it is not high on their list of top issues. But Republicans manage to convince people that an overwhelming majority of Democrats want to turn your little boy into a little girl. It says a lot about the influence of Republican media that hammers home these wedge issues all day every day.)

It was just an observation and feeling I had the last couple weeks. I can only speak to the area in which I live in. 

I appreciate your response. it was both civil and had decent points. 

OnWis97 said:

BF25394 said:

smile6680 said:

I believe true moderates saw this coming. I noticed that there were way less signs out than there usually are around here(Northern New England). I told my wife there is a lot more support for Trump this time around. Typically most people around the towns surrounding mine have some sort of sign up supporting or criticism a candidate.

I believe a lot of moderates didn't want to admit who they were voting for due to Trump being a horrible (in my opinion) person. Hopefully the Democratic party pulls away from the far left and makes a comeback next time around. 

Hopefully the Republicans will resist the temptation to enact far right policies while they control, the House, Senate and presidency. 

As an independent, I don't understand this point of view. The Republican party consists almost entirely of radicals. Most of the moderates have left the party since Trump. Most of the elected moderates have been primaried by more radical MAGA types. The Democrats are not beholden to the far left to the extent that the Republicans are beholden to the far right. Two of the key factions in the Biden coalition that won the 2020 election were socially conservative black church ladies and moderate suburban women. Look at it this way. Far-right voters voted for Trump enthusiastically. Nothing he does can dissuade them from supporting him. Far-left voters (the pro-Hamas people, the defund-the-police people) either held their nose while voting for Harris or didn't vote at all, because she's not actually as radical as they are.

One of the comical thing about our politics is how the Republicans successfully paint Democrats as radicals when their party is the one that wants to fire the civil servants, overturn the long-enshrined right to abortion, abandon NATO, destroy the administrative state, and overturn elections. The Republicans get an amazing amount of mileage out of fringe issues like transgender rights. (I don't mean to sound dismissive of transgender rights, but the fact is that a very small number of voters are making voting decisions based on where the parties stand on that issue. Many Democrats are ambivalent about trans rights, and even among the majority of Democrats who support trans rights, it is not high on their list of top issues. But Republicans manage to convince people that an overwhelming majority of Democrats want to turn your little boy into a little girl. It says a lot about the influence of Republican media that hammers home these wedge issues all day every day.)

While the second sentence is true, I'm not sure the first is...at least in terms of how people vote. If the moderates were not voting MAGA, MAGA would be toast.

The first sentence of the second paragraph is spot-on, though I don't know that it's the candidates...more podcasters, AM radio, and all the other echo-chambers and fringe-mainstream sources that spend 23.5 hours per day spewing fear, shock, and outrage.

The point you're making in your last sentence is what I was getting at in my last sentence.

eddiec said:

I thought the peaceful transfer of power was a bedrock of our constitutional republic.

I guess for the majority of voters it is not.

It’s not it started with fuck face refusing to accept the 2020 outcome not even showing up at inauguration but it’s always the democrats that have to show good faith! 

eeriepadave said:

Hypothetically what would happen if Trump is involved of tampering with the election results? I wouldn't put it past him if that happens.

At this point zero nada zilch! He def could shoot someone or grab a woman by her privates in front of cameras and he would get applause from his deplorable supporters 

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

https://youtu.be/wVjcmOKTqJc?si=ktoWWPHMeJNbfV2a

I need to thank you because I haven’t cranked FI in awhile and wifey just left to drive kiddo somewhere, so it’s a good time for me to CRANK some Tool, but why are we posting Tempest here?

You mean "7empest"?