#46 President Joe Biden

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    bootlegger10 said:
    Do you think there will be an investigation into the cover up of Biden's decline?  All of the comments about how sharp as a tack he is behind closed doors, etc...?    I can't imagine a crime was committed, but seems like there should be ramifications for such a level of deceit.  
    The "cover up"?  You can't imagine there was a crime committed because there is no crime in believing in something that another person doesn't believe, there's no crime in changing your mind and there's no crime in a president being pressured by leaders in the House and Senate to step back.  LBJ stepped back in 1968, surprisingly.  I can tell you've been hanging in teh right wing sphere for the last few days, since this is the new conspiracy and "crime" that they are talking about.  

    Give me a fucking break.  What "ramifications" should there be and who should be "guilty"?  Have you thought it through?
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    bootlegger10 said:
    Do you think there will be an investigation into the cover up of Biden's decline?  All of the comments about how sharp as a tack he is behind closed doors, etc...?    I can't imagine a crime was committed, but seems like there should be ramifications for such a level of deceit.  
    Something both sides (and most people) will always be secretive about is personal health. Without a clear diagnosis of anything specific, what would even be the angle of such an investigation besides grandstanding by Republicans, who better not look in the mirror based on their own support of Trump. I don't know that getting old and not disclosing every sign of it is something that we need to spend tax dollars on. He's out of the race and realized (after a lot of outspoken concerns from all levels) the public was no longer certain he could do the job for an additional 4 years.

    I wish the Republicans would have been able to convince Trump of this after 2020 and helped the party move on so we could have some semblance of a normal election, but here we are; the revenge tour 2024. How pathetic and embarrassing that should be to anyone who supports it.
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    Disgusting that the Kamala thread is already locked because of the sexist and misogynistic comments already being spewed about her less than 24 hours after Joe drops out and endorses her. People are fucked up.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    mrussel1 said:
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    The "cover up"?  You can't imagine there was a crime committed because there is no crime in believing in something that another person doesn't believe, there's no crime in changing your mind and there's no crime in a president being pressured by leaders in the House and Senate to step back.  LBJ stepped back in 1968, surprisingly.  I can tell you've been hanging in teh right wing sphere for the last few days, since this is the new conspiracy and "crime" that they are talking about.  

    Give me a fucking break.  What "ramifications" should there be and who should be "guilty"?  Have you thought it through?
    Nerve touched lol
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    pjl44 said:
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    Nerve touched lol
    I have little tolerance for un-serious arguments.  Perhaps you enjoy them.  

    The second one that is "formulating" on the right is that argument that not having a primary is un-democratic.  It's another stupid fucking argument that is made by people who have zero understanding of both the Constitution or of our electoral history.  So I'm just waiting for that meme to pop here.  I'll be just as acerbic in my replies.  
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    mrussel1 said:
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    The "cover up"?  You can't imagine there was a crime committed because there is no crime in believing in something that another person doesn't believe, there's no crime in changing your mind and there's no crime in a president being pressured by leaders in the House and Senate to step back.  LBJ stepped back in 1968, surprisingly.  I can tell you've been hanging in teh right wing sphere for the last few days, since this is the new conspiracy and "crime" that they are talking about.  

    Give me a fucking break.  What "ramifications" should there be and who should be "guilty"?  Have you thought it through?
    So you are okay with how things are shaking out?   This decline wasn't overnight.  If people didn't start speaking out, we would have been full on weekend at Bernie's.    I said it wasn't probably a crime.  But it is clear the American people were misled as a president doesn't just wake up one morning and say "Well, looks like in the last 12 hours my mental ability to do this job changed".    Even if he could do the job for another year, anyone with a eyes/ears could see he wasn't going to last four years.  The Democrats were robbed of their vote.  They didn't hold primaries, so Dems were tricked into having Biden as their nominee, and now they don't get to vote on who that nominee should be.  The VP is there should the President not be able to perform their duty, not to be the automatic next nominee.  The people voted for Biden (and for Kamala as a back-up, not the next nominee).  

    You were lied to?  Why aren't you more upset about that than my posts about why we were lied to?

    Reagan shouldn't have finished out his term either.  I said Biden was losing it a long time before the debate on here.  I don't watch right wing media.  And if you think it is partisan to ask questions, I think it is partisan not to look at your own party.


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    bootlegger10 said:
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    So you are okay with how things are shaking out?   This decline wasn't overnight.  If people didn't start speaking out, we would have been full on weekend at Bernie's.    I said it wasn't probably a crime.  But it is clear the American people were misled as a president doesn't just wake up one morning and say "Well, looks like in the last 12 hours my mental ability to do this job changed".    Even if he could do the job for another year, anyone with a eyes/ears could see he wasn't going to last four years.  The Democrats were robbed of their vote.  They didn't hold primaries, so Dems were tricked into having Biden as their nominee, and now they don't get to vote on who that nominee should be.  The VP is there should the President not be able to perform their duty, not to be the automatic next nominee.  The people voted for Biden (and for Kamala as a back-up, not the next nominee).  




    I'm quite pleased with how things are shaking out.  I watched press conferences where Biden did well and watched the SOTU.  What I saw on debate night told me he would have problems over the next four years, so it's time to move on.  I'm thrilled with learning that now rather than later.  It's not "probably not a crime".  It's not a fucking crime.  WTF.  

    Seriously, don't get started on the primaries.  Back when America was "great", not one general public citizen had one opportunity to select the party candidate.  
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    bootlegger10 said:
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    So you are okay with how things are shaking out?   This decline wasn't overnight.  If people didn't start speaking out, we would have been full on weekend at Bernie's.    I said it wasn't probably a crime.  But it is clear the American people were misled as a president doesn't just wake up one morning and say "Well, looks like in the last 12 hours my mental ability to do this job changed".    Even if he could do the job for another year, anyone with a eyes/ears could see he wasn't going to last four years.  The Democrats were robbed of their vote.  They didn't hold primaries, so Dems were tricked into having Biden as their nominee, and now they don't get to vote on who that nominee should be.  The VP is there should the President not be able to perform their duty, not to be the automatic next nominee.  The people voted for Biden (and for Kamala as a back-up, not the next nominee).  

    You were lied to?  Why aren't you more upset about that than my posts about why we were lied to?

    Reagan shouldn't have finished out his term either.  I said Biden was losing it a long time before the debate on here.  I don't watch right wing media.  And if you think it is partisan to ask questions, I think it is partisan not to look at your own party.


    Your argument is one that a lot of republicans are making. Don't you think it is strange that democrats do not seem to be up in arms about the same thing? Sorta seems like a disingenuous argument to me. 

    To even suggest a crime is pretty funny. Come on man. That is ridiculous.

    Him getting out months ago would have been better...however, do you think think this was an easy decision for him? He has been known to take a long time making decisions for his entire career. Obviously this was something he would need to be convinced of. And then the debate happened and we all saw that he was not quite up for the task of a vigorous campaign. However, that does not mean he cannot continue his job as president, which he is pretty good at. 

    While we are on the subject, can we all agree that Trump needs to drop out as well? He is the oldest nominee in history. He will be 82 at the end of his term and has been in cognitive decline for years now. Also, he attempted an unsuccessful coup...seems that should offend a lot more people than it does. 
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    bootlegger10 said:
    Do you think there will be an investigation into the cover up of Biden's decline?  All of the comments about how sharp as a tack he is behind closed doors, etc...?    I can't imagine a crime was committed, but seems like there should be ramifications for such a level of deceit.  
    LOL...this is so fucking laughable. I can't stop laughing. I might piss my pants due to laughter.

    I won't change your mind but the "decline" you think you see isn't there. The only decline he has endured is a normal one. You'll lose if you want to argue about dementia.
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    Gern Blansten said:
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    LOL...this is so fucking laughable. I can't stop laughing. I might piss my pants due to laughter.

    I won't change your mind but the "decline" you think you see isn't there. The only decline he has endured is a normal one. You'll lose if you want to argue about dementia.
    Normal decline? No way. I’m not saying it’s anything to be diagnosed but wasn’t normal. Being an old fart and trying to be the president and run for president will do that to you, speed up the decline or shine a bright light on it at least. 

    But maybe I’m missing the point 
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    mrussel1 said:
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    I have little tolerance for un-serious arguments.  Perhaps you enjoy them.  

    The second one that is "formulating" on the right is that argument that not having a primary is un-democratic.  It's another stupid fucking argument that is made by people who have zero understanding of both the Constitution or of our electoral history.  So I'm just waiting for that meme to pop here.  I'll be just as acerbic in my replies.  

    and weren't some on the right in gop led states saying they wanted to just annoit fuckstick and forgo primaries this cycle?
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    mickeyrat said:
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    and weren't some on the right in gop led states saying they wanted to just annoit fuckstick and forgo primaries this cycle?
    Maybe, I'm not sure.  But at the end of the day, the political parties are private entities and can select whomever they want in whatever way they want to select him/her.  
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    Gern Blansten said:
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    LOL...this is so fucking laughable. I can't stop laughing. I might piss my pants due to laughter.

    I won't change your mind but the "decline" you think you see isn't there. The only decline he has endured is a normal one. You'll lose if you want to argue about dementia.
    Yep, normal for a President that is the nominee dropping out 3 months before.  Nothing to see here.

    I am dumbfounded that Dems are okay with how this all went down.   Questions were asked of the press secretary and answers were given that were disingenuous at best.  I said it wasn't a crime, but if this isn't a huge coverup on his ability to do the job then I don't know what to say.  Nothing to see here.  Let's expect the bare minimum from our leaders.

    And normal decline?  No one in their right mind would leave their kid with Biden to have him babysit them for 5 hours.  But he's okay to lead the country?  It could be normal decline, but one that was clear and one that precluded him from being president.  
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    bootlegger10 said:
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    Yep, normal for a President that is the nominee drops out 3 months before.  Nothing to see hear.  

    I am dumbfounded that Dems are okay with how this all went down.   Questions were asked of the press secretary and answers were given that were disingenuous at best.     
    Because 6 out of 10 (probably higher then what was last polled) already wanted someone other than Biden. Him dropping out reflects what voters wanted after seeing the debate and not having their doubts quelled in followup interviews/appearances that 4 more years was a good idea.

    Not sure why this is hard to follow for you.
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    bootlegger10 said:
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    Yep, normal for a President that is the nominee dropping out 3 months before.  Nothing to see here.

    I am dumbfounded that Dems are okay with how this all went down.   Questions were asked of the press secretary and answers were given that were disingenuous at best.  I said it wasn't a crime, but if this isn't a huge coverup on his ability to do the job then I don't know what to say.  Nothing to see here.  Let's expect the bare minimum from our leaders.
    Neither normal or unprecedented for a sitting president to drop.  Not so sure why you are dumbfounded.  Democrats have their principles, not our "guy", so we're not nearly as concerned with who leads the party as to what the platform is.  Do you seriously not understand this way of thinking?  If the head of the ticket doesn't give us the best chance to win, then why wouldn't we want to adjust?  

    Here's a stat.  2/3 of D's wanted Biden to drop according to an AP poll recently.  So he dropped.  The question is why WOULDN'T we be okay with the way this happened?  
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    bootlegger10 said:
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    Yep, normal for a President that is the nominee dropping out 3 months before.  Nothing to see here.

    I am dumbfounded that Dems are okay with how this all went down.   Questions were asked of the press secretary and answers were given that were disingenuous at best.  I said it wasn't a crime, but if this isn't a huge coverup on his ability to do the job then I don't know what to say.  Nothing to see here.  Let's expect the bare minimum from our leaders.
    Do you agree that Donald Trump is too old to be president? He has been in cognitive decline for years. We can all see it. Questions have been asked of his press secretaries when he was in office. Yet all of his advisors, including members of congress say otherwise. Their answers seem disingenuous as usual.

    Look, I am not saying a crime is actively being committed, though he has already been found guilty on 34 other crimes, but still....this seems like a huge coverup on his ability by the GOP. Nothing to see here. 
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    Trying to say the Biden administration mis-led the public on his mental fitness is like making the same argument the Trump administration kept the fact his people thought he was a fucking idiot behind doors.  I guess we better hold them accountable as well...
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    Glorified KC said:
    Trying to say the Biden administration mis-led the public on his mental fitness is like making the same argument the Trump administration kept the fact his people thought he was a fucking idiot behind doors.  I guess we better hold them accountable as well...
    Great analogy!  I'm not saying it's a crime,  but they should be held responsible for this "deceit"

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    mrussel1 said:
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    Neither normal or unprecedented for a sitting president to drop.  Not so sure why you are dumbfounded.  Democrats have their principles, not our "guy", so we're not nearly as concerned with who leads the party as to what the platform is.  Do you seriously not understand this way of thinking?  If the head of the ticket doesn't give us the best chance to win, then why wouldn't we want to adjust?  

    Here's a stat.  2/3 of D's wanted Biden to drop according to an AP poll recently.  So he dropped.  The question is why WOULDN'T we be okay with the way this happened?  
    My point is he shouldn’t have run again and should have dropped a long time ago.  Not dumbfounded he dropped out and Dems are okay with him dropping out, but rather dumbfounded you guys wouldn’t have expected he dropped out sooner and that his mental ability was clearly being managed so that it wasn’t as visible to the public.  

    It was clear a long time ago he wasn’t up to it.  If you don’t care, then whatever.  I voted for Biden in 2020.  If you don’t care to be even-handed than no point for me to post here. 
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    The Juggler said:
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    Do you agree that Donald Trump is too old to be president? He has been in cognitive decline for years. We can all see it. Questions have been asked of his press secretaries when he was in office. Yet all of his advisors, including members of congress say otherwise. Their answers seem disingenuous as usual.

    Look, I am not saying a crime is actively being committed, though he has already been found guilty on 34 other crimes, but still....this seems like a huge coverup on his ability by the GOP. Nothing to see here. 
    This is a Biden thread and a Biden post.  Whataboutism.  Didn’t vote for Trump and don’t see what Trump has to do with the point I was trying to make.   

    Trump committed crimes per the courts.  This is true.

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