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jwhjr17 said:

Get_Right said:

jwhjr17 said:

JojoRice said:

Definitely some shadiness going on.  My ticket buddy and I put in for the same 4 shows (Seattle 1&2, Wrigley 1&2).  He went 4/4 in the lottery and I went 1/4. 

So you're saying 2 people entered a lottery with the same choices and didn't get the same result?  Mind boggling, almost as if it was a lottery and one got luckier than the other.  How in the world could that happen?  

It is not almost like a lottery it is a lottery. Some people get picked some do not. It has always been that way even with priority. Was your win for wrigley? 

You're making my point lol

pjl44 said:

mpedone said:

SHZA said:

marumaruko said:

PJNB said:

and there it is.
"Only request tickets for shows you can definitely attend" 

This should be tattooed on our arms. You don't know if you can make it happen, don't request and wait until you can be sure. 
Tickets will be eventually available if everyone follows along. 

Also, before anyone says "But no one will restrain themselves" - that's the mindset that is hindering the people. Just do what is ideal and you'll see.  

It’s kind of a non sequitur. Getting rid of priority doesn't have anything to do with choosing only shows you can definitely attend. If anything, getting rid of priority may just encourage choosing more shows, since you no longer can assume you’re likely to score a top-ranked show. Only select shows you can definitely attend is a more appropriate response to a question such as whether you could be selected and charged for numerous shows. And as someone else mentioned, we never truly know which shows we can "definitely" attend... 

With no priority AND F2F, there is no disincentive to putting in for as many shows as you can afford, or even multiplying your chances by putting in for the same shows as your spouse/concert buddy. Hell, I thought about it. I'm not likely to go to Chicago, but my brother-in-law lives there, and we've enjoyed the city. Why not secure tickets and sell them if the plans fall through? Seatlle? Never been. Might be cool to see PJ in their "home" city. Can always just sell them later. Fortunately, I wasn't comfortable spending that much money (and even more for travel costs) and restricted myself to realistic/local shows.

Bringing back priority and/or show-by-show draws could ease some of this, as you'd see a broader spread of people getting tickets, but you're still going to have a ton of people shut out of more in-demand shows like MSG and Seattle, and be in this same boat of fighting bots for tickets. Make 10C tickets non-transferable again and you'd see a lot fewer people putting in for 5+ shows they aren't really sure they can make. No, we're never 100% sure either way, but if you're faced with the choice to spend $350+ and maybe eat that money or just not get tickets to a show you're only 50% likely to actually attend, I would think most people would hold back. Unfortunately, that's not an option in NY, IL, CT, and CO, and it would only drive up the prices from the bots who snatch up the non-10C seats.

Given ticket prices being what they are, the last sentence of your first paragraph would be the disincentive for a lot of people 

cblock4life said:

craigraether said:

cblock4life said:

The Juggler said:

I miss stubhub

Speaking of StubHub….i won both Chicago and lost both Philly. I purchased two tickets for Philly for the Monday show and a parking pass.  

I’ve used StubHub once before in 2016 with no issues.  What’s making me nervous is I won’t get the tickets till the day of.  Does this sound correct?  They blame the artist but I have my Chicago tickets so the seller must have my Philly tickets already to transfer.  Is this all legitimate now?  

Warnings or words of encouragement based on your experiences with Stub hub will be greatly appreciated!!!

I will never use stubhub for ANY show except day of sports events. Burned twice by them, bought tickets that were hard tickets and I was traveling to the show, they shipped the tickets 3 days before the show when the posting said 10days prior. I had 20 hours of calls to support to get money back and was a real pain. Next was 2021 Foo Fighters, bought GA and ticket was supposed to be XFRed day off and never was. Luck for me TM dropped more GA day off, but SH didnt want to refund me. Probably worse customer service then TM

Thanks for the warning. I’m going to contact them and ask for the transfer to happen now.  Whoever is selling them has to have the, right?  I have my Chicago tix, they must have theirs also.  

onemorshow said:

not PJ but I want to thank who ever gave up F2F Pit Neil & Crazy Horse tixs for Bristow,Va. Pit tixs were $100. cheaper than seats behind it. F2F does work if you keep trying. Good luck everyone.

jwhjr17 said:

SHZA said:

jwhjr17 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

jwhjr17 said:

Get_Right said:

jwhjr17 said:

JojoRice said:

Definitely some shadiness going on.  My ticket buddy and I put in for the same 4 shows (Seattle 1&2, Wrigley 1&2).  He went 4/4 in the lottery and I went 1/4. 

So you're saying 2 people entered a lottery with the same choices and didn't get the same result?  Mind boggling, almost as if it was a lottery and one got luckier than the other.  How in the world could that happen?  

It is not almost like a lottery it is a lottery. Some people get picked some do not. It has always been that way even with priority. Was your win for wrigley? 

You're making my point lol

Please pay closer attention before laughing. Some won four NE shows which logically would bring odds at approximately ten thousand to one.

What do I need to pay closer attention to?  Some win, some lose.  Is it rigged when someone wins Powerball at much higher odds than 10K to 1?  Please by all means carry on with the whining discussion and I'll continue to be entertained by it.

If odds of a single person winning powerball on a given draw are infinitesimal and you get 10 winners, it was probably rigged 

There have been multiple winners on a single Powerball drawing though so again it's possible for multiple winners even against long odds for even one to win.  As much as we like to think we have a good representation of the entirety of results on this board, I'm sure it's a small fraction of the overall results.  Was something screwed up?  Possibly.  Were some people just extremely lucky against long odds?  Possibly.  There's zero chance we ever find out what really happened from the powers at be so again while the discussion is definitely entertaining (and I fully admit to being involved in it), we're essentially going in circles.  Hopefully everyone finds a way to get tickets to the shows they want to see and all is forgotten until the next ticket lottery

mpedone said:

jwhjr17 said:

SHZA said:

jwhjr17 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

jwhjr17 said:

Get_Right said:

jwhjr17 said:

JojoRice said:

Definitely some shadiness going on.  My ticket buddy and I put in for the same 4 shows (Seattle 1&2, Wrigley 1&2).  He went 4/4 in the lottery and I went 1/4. 

So you're saying 2 people entered a lottery with the same choices and didn't get the same result?  Mind boggling, almost as if it was a lottery and one got luckier than the other.  How in the world could that happen?  

It is not almost like a lottery it is a lottery. Some people get picked some do not. It has always been that way even with priority. Was your win for wrigley? 

You're making my point lol

Please pay closer attention before laughing. Some won four NE shows which logically would bring odds at approximately ten thousand to one.

What do I need to pay closer attention to?  Some win, some lose.  Is it rigged when someone wins Powerball at much higher odds than 10K to 1?  Please by all means carry on with the whining discussion and I'll continue to be entertained by it.

If odds of a single person winning powerball on a given draw are infinitesimal and you get 10 winners, it was probably rigged 

There have been multiple winners on a single Powerball drawing though so again it's possible for multiple winners even against long odds for even one to win.  As much as we like to think we have a good representation of the entirety of results on this board, I'm sure it's a small fraction of the overall results.  Was something screwed up?  Possibly.  Were some people just extremely lucky against long odds?  Possibly.  There's zero chance we ever find out what really happened from the powers at be so again while the discussion is definitely entertaining (and I fully admit to being involved in it), we're essentially going in circles.  Hopefully everyone finds a way to get tickets to the shows they want to see and all is forgotten until the next ticket lottery

I do enjoy that some people are hell-bent on this being a conspiracy and refuse to believe the answer that fits the evidence.

kosteva2 said:

cblock4life said:

craigraether said:

cblock4life said:

The Juggler said:

I miss stubhub

Speaking of StubHub….i won both Chicago and lost both Philly. I purchased two tickets for Philly for the Monday show and a parking pass.  

I’ve used StubHub once before in 2016 with no issues.  What’s making me nervous is I won’t get the tickets till the day of.  Does this sound correct?  They blame the artist but I have my Chicago tickets so the seller must have my Philly tickets already to transfer.  Is this all legitimate now?  

Warnings or words of encouragement based on your experiences with Stub hub will be greatly appreciated!!!

I will never use stubhub for ANY show except day of sports events. Burned twice by them, bought tickets that were hard tickets and I was traveling to the show, they shipped the tickets 3 days before the show when the posting said 10days prior. I had 20 hours of calls to support to get money back and was a real pain. Next was 2021 Foo Fighters, bought GA and ticket was supposed to be XFRed day off and never was. Luck for me TM dropped more GA day off, but SH didnt want to refund me. Probably worse customer service then TM

Thanks for the warning. I’m going to contact them and ask for the transfer to happen now.  Whoever is selling them has to have the, right?  I have my Chicago tix, they must have theirs also.  

SHould work now for IL and NY shows.  I was able to pull off a trade/transfer of MSG tickets where we were able to move the tickets to each others accounts.  Once the actual ticket/barcodes become available 2 days or so before the show or whatever the countdown clock says they should be automatically available in the account.

jwhjr17 said:

SHZA said:

jwhjr17 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

jwhjr17 said:

Get_Right said:

jwhjr17 said:

JojoRice said:

Definitely some shadiness going on.  My ticket buddy and I put in for the same 4 shows (Seattle 1&2, Wrigley 1&2).  He went 4/4 in the lottery and I went 1/4. 

So you're saying 2 people entered a lottery with the same choices and didn't get the same result?  Mind boggling, almost as if it was a lottery and one got luckier than the other.  How in the world could that happen?  

It is not almost like a lottery it is a lottery. Some people get picked some do not. It has always been that way even with priority. Was your win for wrigley? 

You're making my point lol

Please pay closer attention before laughing. Some won four NE shows which logically would bring odds at approximately ten thousand to one.

What do I need to pay closer attention to?  Some win, some lose.  Is it rigged when someone wins Powerball at much higher odds than 10K to 1?  Please by all means carry on with the whining discussion and I'll continue to be entertained by it.

If odds of a single person winning powerball on a given draw are infinitesimal and you get 10 winners, it was probably rigged 

There have been multiple winners on a single Powerball drawing though so again it's possible for multiple winners even against long odds for even one to win.  As much as we like to think we have a good representation of the entirety of results on this board, I'm sure it's a small fraction of the overall results.  Was something screwed up?  Possibly.  Were some people just extremely lucky against long odds?  Possibly.  There's zero chance we ever find out what really happened from the powers at be so again while the discussion is definitely entertaining (and I fully admit to being involved in it), we're essentially going in circles.  Hopefully everyone finds a way to get tickets to the shows they want to see and all is forgotten until the next ticket lottery

BigRedd said:

Bring back willcall. Most of these problems would be solved. And on top of that people putting in for multiple shows they have no zero interest in attending would be almost all but eliminated as well. This would allow those that actually want to go to the show a better chance of getting tickets in the draw.