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  • hihobibo
    hihobibo Tampa, FL Posts: 1,140
    runstaples said:
    primussucks said:
    craigraether said:
    primussucks said:
    Once again, for the 3rd time now I had an agreement from a seller for a timed drop for me to purchase their tickets.  For the 3rd time I was on ticketmaster at the exact time of the drop and somehow someone or something was able to purchase the tickets faster than I could!  I have a hard time believing that bots or ticketmaster themselves aren't scooping up these tickets!  This is bullshit!!!
    would be helpful to know which show, and the time you did the drop? 
    Indy.  5am central time.
    That's a little scary. 5am and still couldn't pull it off.  :|
    But for eastern time zone people willing to travel,  it's 6 am. Very reasonable time to wake up and check for tickets.  
  • The Juggler
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  • mpedone
    mpedone 540xxx - Manchester, NH Posts: 1,961
    SHZA said:
    marumaruko said:
    PJNB said:




    and there it is.
    "Only request tickets for shows you can definitely attend" 

    This should be tattooed on our arms. You don't know if you can make it happen, don't request and wait until you can be sure. 
    Tickets will be eventually available if everyone follows along. 

    Also, before anyone says "But no one will restrain themselves" - that's the mindset that is hindering the people. Just do what is ideal and you'll see.  



    It’s kind of a non sequitur. Getting rid of priority doesn't have anything to do with choosing only shows you can definitely attend. If anything, getting rid of priority may just encourage choosing more shows, since you no longer can assume you’re likely to score a top-ranked show. Only select shows you can definitely attend is a more appropriate response to a question such as whether you could be selected and charged for numerous shows. And as someone else mentioned, we never truly know which shows we can "definitely" attend... 

    With no priority AND F2F, there is no disincentive to putting in for as many shows as you can afford, or even multiplying your chances by putting in for the same shows as your spouse/concert buddy. Hell, I thought about it. I'm not likely to go to Chicago, but my brother-in-law lives there, and we've enjoyed the city. Why not secure tickets and sell them if the plans fall through? Seatlle? Never been. Might be cool to see PJ in their "home" city. Can always just sell them later. Fortunately, I wasn't comfortable spending that much money (and even more for travel costs) and restricted myself to realistic/local shows.

    Bringing back priority and/or show-by-show draws could ease some of this, as you'd see a broader spread of people getting tickets, but you're still going to have a ton of people shut out of more in-demand shows like MSG and Seattle, and be in this same boat of fighting bots for tickets. Make 10C tickets non-transferable again and you'd see a lot fewer people putting in for 5+ shows they aren't really sure they can make. No, we're never 100% sure either way, but if you're faced with the choice to spend $350+ and maybe eat that money or just not get tickets to a show you're only 50% likely to actually attend, I would think most people would hold back. Unfortunately, that's not an option in NY, IL, CT, and CO, and it would only drive up the prices from the bots who snatch up the non-10C seats.

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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,879
    Has anyone in ten c been able to purchase a NE show ticket for true face value in the fan to bot? I’ve checked five shows probably a hundred times each and it seems a waste of time. No way I am beating out a bot when it takes a few seconds for the “got it” button to go away.


    combine the loss of fan to fan with fan to bot, the new priority draw process and the very misleading “ten percent of inventory will be sold at market rate” fans losing out on lottery in the east are getting destroyed by these ticketing processes while some are sitting pretty with 3+ NE shows with multiple GA. And the band is nothing but crickets.
  • jwhjr17
    jwhjr17 Posts: 2,077
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Has anyone in ten c been able to purchase a NE show ticket for true face value in the fan to bot? I’ve checked five shows probably a hundred times each and it seems a waste of time. No way I am beating out a bot when it takes a few seconds for the “got it” button to go away.


    combine the loss of fan to fan with fan to bot, the new priority draw process and the very misleading “ten percent of inventory will be sold at market rate” fans losing out on lottery in the east are getting destroyed by these ticketing processes while some are sitting pretty with 3+ NE shows with multiple GA. And the band is nothing but crickets.
    Yes and why would the band say anything?
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  • Jenfarr
    Jenfarr Posts: 688
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Has anyone in ten c been able to purchase a NE show ticket for true face value in the fan to bot? I’ve checked five shows probably a hundred times each and it seems a waste of time. No way I am beating out a bot when it takes a few seconds for the “got it” button to go away.
    Yes, I got Baltimore F2F this morning.

    This is how...I switched to use a CC that didn't require extra security/code to be sent, so that helped.  Also, when searching I filtered out "Standard" (Balt. added back a bunch of PJ Premium yesterday), so only F2F would show, and then just toggled between asking for 1 and 2 tickets, as there is no F5 (LOL) on the App. That avoids the "Got It" button (after the first time).
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  • primussucks
    primussucks Posts: 2,365
    Jenfarr said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Has anyone in ten c been able to purchase a NE show ticket for true face value in the fan to bot? I’ve checked five shows probably a hundred times each and it seems a waste of time. No way I am beating out a bot when it takes a few seconds for the “got it” button to go away.
    Yes, I got Baltimore F2F this morning.

    This is how...I switched to use a CC that didn't require extra security/code to be sent, so that helped.  Also, when searching I filtered out "Standard" (Balt. added back a bunch of PJ Premium yesterday), so only F2F would show, and then just toggled between asking for 1 and 2 tickets, as there is no F5 (LOL) on the App. That avoids the "Got It" button (after the first time).
    What CC is there that ticketmaster wouldn't ask for the security code??
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  • Jenfarr
    Jenfarr Posts: 688
    edited April 2024
    No, it asks for the Security Code, but my Citi card was requiring a second security code that they texted to me and I had to put in before the sale was complete.  That happened previously about 4-5 times and I lost tickets because it took too long.
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  • devonfz
    devonfz Posts: 181
    Question why would a bot or Ticketmaster buy tickets for shows that can be only resold at face value?

    i know New York and Chicago can be resold at any price but what about Boston? Seems like their will be plenty of tickets available at some point🤔
  • primussucks
    primussucks Posts: 2,365
    devonfz said:
    Question why would a bot or Ticketmaster buy tickets for shows that can be only resold at face value?

    i know New York and Chicago can be resold at any price but what about Boston? Seems like their will be plenty of tickets available at some point🤔
    Because ticketmaster could relist them as premium tickets at a marked up price!
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  • yosi
    yosi NYC Posts: 3,155
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Has anyone in ten c been able to purchase a NE show ticket for true face value in the fan to bot? I’ve checked five shows probably a hundred times each and it seems a waste of time. No way I am beating out a bot when it takes a few seconds for the “got it” button to go away.


    combine the loss of fan to fan with fan to bot, the new priority draw process and the very misleading “ten percent of inventory will be sold at market rate” fans losing out on lottery in the east are getting destroyed by these ticketing processes while some are sitting pretty with 3+ NE shows with multiple GA. And the band is nothing but crickets.
    I haven’t even seen face value tickets for sale for these shows since the first day F2B opened and I’m checking all the time. 
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  • onemorshow
    onemorshow Posts: 635
    not PJ but I want to thank who ever gave up F2F Pit Neil & Crazy Horse tixs for Bristow,Va. Pit tixs were $100. cheaper than seats behind it. F2F does work if you keep trying. Good luck everyone.


  • BigRedd
    BigRedd Posts: 113
    Bots are 100% scooping up the tickets. You just need to look at the "other" sites to figure that out. Those that are paying attention see the patterns. 

    We can not transfer tickets but they can. Its a broken system. 

    Why do people keep asking how do they transfer if transfers are not allowed? Are we really that naive to think that people that do this for a living wouldn't find a way? 

    The worst part is TM and 10C knows its happening for 2 tours now and this being the 3rd. 
  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    BigRedd said:
    Bots are 100% scooping up the tickets. You just need to look at the "other" sites to figure that out. Those that are paying attention see the patterns. 

    We can not transfer tickets but they can. Its a broken system. 

    Why do people keep asking how do they transfer if transfers are not allowed? Are we really that naive to think that people that do this for a living wouldn't find a way? 

    The worst part is TM and 10C knows its happening for 2 tours now and this being the 3rd. 
    Seems to be much worse this time around. For example, on the last two tours, timed drops at odd hours had a high success rate. Seems they are being intercepted now. Still somewhat anecdotal but it seems that bots may be scooping most of the good tickets 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,529
    mpedone said:
    SHZA said:
    marumaruko said:
    PJNB said:




    and there it is.
    "Only request tickets for shows you can definitely attend" 

    This should be tattooed on our arms. You don't know if you can make it happen, don't request and wait until you can be sure. 
    Tickets will be eventually available if everyone follows along. 

    Also, before anyone says "But no one will restrain themselves" - that's the mindset that is hindering the people. Just do what is ideal and you'll see.  



    It’s kind of a non sequitur. Getting rid of priority doesn't have anything to do with choosing only shows you can definitely attend. If anything, getting rid of priority may just encourage choosing more shows, since you no longer can assume you’re likely to score a top-ranked show. Only select shows you can definitely attend is a more appropriate response to a question such as whether you could be selected and charged for numerous shows. And as someone else mentioned, we never truly know which shows we can "definitely" attend... 

    With no priority AND F2F, there is no disincentive to putting in for as many shows as you can afford, or even multiplying your chances by putting in for the same shows as your spouse/concert buddy. Hell, I thought about it. I'm not likely to go to Chicago, but my brother-in-law lives there, and we've enjoyed the city. Why not secure tickets and sell them if the plans fall through? Seatlle? Never been. Might be cool to see PJ in their "home" city. Can always just sell them later. Fortunately, I wasn't comfortable spending that much money (and even more for travel costs) and restricted myself to realistic/local shows.

    Bringing back priority and/or show-by-show draws could ease some of this, as you'd see a broader spread of people getting tickets, but you're still going to have a ton of people shut out of more in-demand shows like MSG and Seattle, and be in this same boat of fighting bots for tickets. Make 10C tickets non-transferable again and you'd see a lot fewer people putting in for 5+ shows they aren't really sure they can make. No, we're never 100% sure either way, but if you're faced with the choice to spend $350+ and maybe eat that money or just not get tickets to a show you're only 50% likely to actually attend, I would think most people would hold back. Unfortunately, that's not an option in NY, IL, CT, and CO, and it would only drive up the prices from the bots who snatch up the non-10C seats.

    Given ticket prices being what they are, the last sentence of your first paragraph would be the disincentive for a lot of people 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,529
    Counterpoint being if you're flying around for Pearl Jam shows you have a little more wiggle room than most
  • craigraether
    craigraether Posts: 1,655
    SHZA said:
    BigRedd said:
    Bots are 100% scooping up the tickets. You just need to look at the "other" sites to figure that out. Those that are paying attention see the patterns. 

    We can not transfer tickets but they can. Its a broken system. 

    Why do people keep asking how do they transfer if transfers are not allowed? Are we really that naive to think that people that do this for a living wouldn't find a way? 

    The worst part is TM and 10C knows its happening for 2 tours now and this being the 3rd. 
    Seems to be much worse this time around. For example, on the last two tours, timed drops at odd hours had a high success rate. Seems they are being intercepted now. Still somewhat anecdotal but it seems that bots may be scooping most of the good tickets 
    Yea, its worse, I also think there is a lower number of drops, perhaps there was a lower number of ticket requests ( West) with higher number of people not giving up their tickets (East)... Add that lower odds, due to secondary market..l think we need start a "Trusted " network of 10C members that shares TM logins to swap tickets... Its Odd, since 99% of 10c members would swap to transfer tickets at face value yet we are locked out ... I get that if 10C members had the ability to swap tickets it would drive more lottery entries and prob less premiums ...etc.. 
  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    edited April 2024
    The Juggler said:
    I miss stubhub
    Speaking of StubHub….i won both Chicago and lost both Philly. I purchased two tickets for Philly for the Monday show and a parking pass.  
    I’ve used StubHub once before in 2016 with no issues.  What’s making me nervous is I won’t get the tickets till the day of.  Does this sound correct?  They blame the artist but I have my Chicago tickets so the seller must have my Philly tickets already to transfer.  Is this all legitimate now?  

    Warnings or words of encouragement based on your experiences with Stub hub will be greatly appreciated!!!
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  • craigraether
    craigraether Posts: 1,655
    cblock4life said:
    The Juggler said:
    I miss stubhub
    Speaking of StubHub….i won both Chicago and lost both Philly. I purchased two tickets for Philly for the Monday show and a parking pass.  
    I’ve used StubHub once before in 2016 with no issues.  What’s making me nervous is I won’t get the tickets till the day of.  Does this sound correct?  They blame the artist but I have my Chicago tickets so the seller must have my Philly tickets already to transfer.  Is this all legitimate now?  

    Warnings or words of encouragement based on your experiences with Stub hub will be greatly appreciated!!!
    I will never use stubhub for ANY show except day of sports events. Burned twice by them, bought tickets that were hard tickets and I was traveling to the show, they shipped the tickets 3 days before the show when the posting said 10days prior. I had 20 hours of calls to support to get money back and was a real pain. Next was 2021 Foo Fighters, bought GA and ticket was supposed to be XFRed day off and never was. Luck for me TM dropped more GA day off, but SH didnt want to refund me. Probably worse customer service then TM
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,879
    jwhjr17 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Has anyone in ten c been able to purchase a NE show ticket for true face value in the fan to bot? I’ve checked five shows probably a hundred times each and it seems a waste of time. No way I am beating out a bot when it takes a few seconds for the “got it” button to go away.


    combine the loss of fan to fan with fan to bot, the new priority draw process and the very misleading “ten percent of inventory will be sold at market rate” fans losing out on lottery in the east are getting destroyed by these ticketing processes while some are sitting pretty with 3+ NE shows with multiple GA. And the band is nothing but crickets.
    Yes and why would the band say anything?

    Because I purchased a membership for the sole purpose of the lottery and results seem to indicate some won the lottery at ten thousand to one odds. When you are a star, apparently accountability to your customers does not exist.

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