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  • HailHailVitalogy
    HailHailVitalogy Posts: 6,013
    I really don’t understand the notion of putting in for shows you don’t even intend to attend. You really think people are like I’m gonna put in for Chicago even though I won’t go, just to try to trade for Fenway?

    When they announce shows, I choose where I’m going. If I don’t get selected I still find a way in. In the past, yes that was through trades when we could only win pairs and not apply for singles. But mostly because of this fanbase offering extras I got in. 

    Lastly, just allow us to transfer tickets directly to an email for a face value payment through TM. I have a ticket to transfer to someone, when they get the claim email, they put in their CC info for payment. TM takes a fee, ticket price goes to the person transferring.
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  • enddem
    enddem Posts: 184
    Get_Right said:
    Tm is driving all of of this. Tm is the bot. Ticket comes up who is the first to know? Then they appear on a resale site.They take ever ticket and maximize the value. Maximize very seat up until the date of the show. Make no mistake, it is TM grabbing every seat and then squeezing the consumer. You might do ok in a smaller market, but not on the east coast.
    That actually makes a lot of sense, particularly since all secondary market sales require TM account surrender.
  • primussucks
    primussucks Posts: 2,365
    Anybody run into this problem?  You are trying to list tickets for sale on ticketmaster but you get an error message saying "resale for this event has not been turned on by the event organizer."  Any suggestions??
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,531
    HailHailVitalogy said:
    I really don’t understand the notion of putting in for shows you don’t even intend to attend. You really think people are like I’m gonna put in for Chicago even though I won’t go, just to try to trade for Fenway?

    When they announce shows, I choose where I’m going. If I don’t get selected I still find a way in. In the past, yes that was through trades when we could only win pairs and not apply for singles. But mostly because of this fanbase offering extras I got in. 

    Lastly, just allow us to transfer tickets directly to an email for a face value payment through TM. I have a ticket to transfer to someone, when they get the claim email, they put in their CC info for payment. TM takes a fee, ticket price goes to the person transferring.
    I think the scenarios are:

    - I want GA so I create multiple accounts via family/friends and resell the extras
    - I'll go to the show(s) if I get good seats but if I don't I'll throw them back
  • Jamer196
    Jamer196 Posts: 387
    Got 2 screenshots, from Ticketmaster MSG tickets I couldn’t check out and Stubhub a few hours later. Exact same tickets, section row and seat numbers. 

  • kaw753
    kaw753 Posts: 941
    pjl44 said:
    HailHailVitalogy said:
    I really don’t understand the notion of putting in for shows you don’t even intend to attend. You really think people are like I’m gonna put in for Chicago even though I won’t go, just to try to trade for Fenway?

    When they announce shows, I choose where I’m going. If I don’t get selected I still find a way in. In the past, yes that was through trades when we could only win pairs and not apply for singles. But mostly because of this fanbase offering extras I got in. 

    Lastly, just allow us to transfer tickets directly to an email for a face value payment through TM. I have a ticket to transfer to someone, when they get the claim email, they put in their CC info for payment. TM takes a fee, ticket price goes to the person transferring.
    I think the scenarios are:

    - I want GA so I create multiple accounts via family/friends and resell the extras
    - I'll go to the show(s) if I get good seats but if I don't I'll throw them back
    Yeah, the late great Charlie Munger once said, "Show me the incentive and I will show you the result." If the goal is to get GA tickets, then you put in for every show you might possibly attend and see what comes up. Toss the ones you get and don't want onto F2F and the credit card points pay you to float the money for a few months.

    They got rid of priority because the code wasn't actually working. That was pretty obvious last tour. I like the feature someone mentions above by just having a waitlist for 10c members who didn't get tickets in the lottery, but that is another TM feature that doesn't exist.
  • njhaley1
    njhaley1 Valley of the Sun Posts: 875
    Jamer196 said:
    Got 2 screenshots, from Ticketmaster MSG tickets I couldn’t check out and Stubhub a few hours later. Exact same tickets, section row and seat numbers. 

    Unfortunately this is "OK" for MSG and Chicago. Now, if we can show it happens with other venues... 
  • TA243471
    TA243471 The Great Northwest Posts: 1,251
    pjl44 said:
    HailHailVitalogy said:
    I really don’t understand the notion of putting in for shows you don’t even intend to attend. You really think people are like I’m gonna put in for Chicago even though I won’t go, just to try to trade for Fenway?

    When they announce shows, I choose where I’m going. If I don’t get selected I still find a way in. In the past, yes that was through trades when we could only win pairs and not apply for singles. But mostly because of this fanbase offering extras I got in. 

    Lastly, just allow us to transfer tickets directly to an email for a face value payment through TM. I have a ticket to transfer to someone, when they get the claim email, they put in their CC info for payment. TM takes a fee, ticket price goes to the person transferring.
    I think the scenarios are:

    - I want GA so I create multiple accounts via family/friends and resell the extras
    - I'll go to the show(s) if I get good seats but if I don't I'll throw them back

    I think both of those are accurate, but not the only choices.  For me, my wife and i both have accounts.  Because we had shows that we really wanted to see, we both need to put in for them, in order to have the best chance of getting any.  In 2020, we had too much luck, and had extras that we couldn't possibly use.  This time, we didn't both put in, because we were so lucky last time, and were stuck with Fan 2 Fan to get the tickets we really wanted.  We also got drawn for just what we needed for the other shows that we had decided that we would go see, if we were lucky enough to get drawn, so we will see all the shows we planned, but just had to work extra this time in order to see the shows closest to us.
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  • NDJeff7
    NDJeff7 Posts: 216
    Been a member since 1993, so I've gotten tickets from the fan club basically every way imaginable. I don't go to a ton of shows though; I usually hit 1 or 2 each tour that are close enough to drive to so I've never had a huge problem getting tickets. This tour was completely different as I basically got shut out across the board, like lots of folks.

    The biggest difference that I see this time is no more prioritizing the shows that you put in for during the lottery. People could in theory put in for every show on the tour since the market for F2F is so robust. If you have the initial funds, there was literally zero downside to putting in for every east coast show. You could keep the tickets you received and could use, and just get rid of the rest easily on F2F. 

    There's only so much that the club can do; but I think going back to a priority system for the lottery has to be done. 
  • Gibson
    Gibson Chicago Posts: 2,671
    edited April 2024
    pjhawks said:
    Personally I think tickets won  in the 10C lottery if being put back into pool for F2F they should go back into a 10C lottery.  Lose the original lottery get wait listed and if a member is putting those tickets back they should be randomly drawn again for members,  and maybe the best way to do that is draw the new lottery only a week or two out from show so most likely winners will be local. 
    Cool idea in theory, but there's a lot of 10C folk that aren't 100% positive that they can attend until closer to the show. So that puts a lot of fans in a position to put in for tickets, spend hundreds to thousands extra up front, just to have tickets for a show that they are 50/50 on to begin with. This whole process would create an even bigger bottleneck for fans that want tickets.

    For example: I intentionally didn't put in for Wrigley due to potential work conflicts. I don't want to be excluded from the 10C 2nd lottery because I wasn't sure on day 1 if I was able to attend.
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  • yosi
    yosi NYC Posts: 3,155
    Jamer196 said:
    Got 2 screenshots, from Ticketmaster MSG tickets I couldn’t check out and Stubhub a few hours later. Exact same tickets, section row and seat numbers. 

    Yeesh. No good. 
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,889
    Get_Right said:
    Tm is driving all of of this. Tm is the bot. Ticket comes up who is the first to know? Then they appear on a resale site.They take ever ticket and maximize the value. Maximize very seat up until the date of the show. Make no mistake, it is TM grabbing every seat and then squeezing the consumer. You might do ok in a smaller market, but not on the east coast.

    And who gave TM more control over the process of conducting the lottery, including but not limited to priority being eliminated (and screwing fans in difficult to get NE shows) because it was “too confusing?”

    PJ, that’s who.

  • AlaG
    AlaG Brookline, MA Posts: 979
    edited April 2024
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Get_Right said:
    Tm is driving all of of this. Tm is the bot. Ticket comes up who is the first to know? Then they appear on a resale site.They take ever ticket and maximize the value. Maximize very seat up until the date of the show. Make no mistake, it is TM grabbing every seat and then squeezing the consumer. You might do ok in a smaller market, but not on the east coast.

    And who gave TM more control over the process of conducting the lottery, including but not limited to priority being eliminated (and screwing fans in difficult to get NE shows) because it was “too confusing?”

    PJ, that’s who.

    Literally where did they claim they did this because it’s too confusing otherwise?
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    AlaG said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Get_Right said:
    Tm is driving all of of this. Tm is the bot. Ticket comes up who is the first to know? Then they appear on a resale site.They take ever ticket and maximize the value. Maximize very seat up until the date of the show. Make no mistake, it is TM grabbing every seat and then squeezing the consumer. You might do ok in a smaller market, but not on the east coast.

    And who gave TM more control over the process of conducting the lottery, including but not limited to priority being eliminated (and screwing fans in difficult to get NE shows) because it was “too confusing?”

    PJ, that’s who.

    Literally where did they claim they did this because it’s too confusing otherwise?
    10C said it when we got the rules for picking tickets. 

    There is no longer priority choosing tickets due to it being too confusing for some people.

    Something along those lines. 
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,126
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Get_Right said:
    Tm is driving all of of this. Tm is the bot. Ticket comes up who is the first to know? Then they appear on a resale site.They take ever ticket and maximize the value. Maximize very seat up until the date of the show. Make no mistake, it is TM grabbing every seat and then squeezing the consumer. You might do ok in a smaller market, but not on the east coast.

    And who gave TM more control over the process of conducting the lottery, including but not limited to priority being eliminated (and screwing fans in difficult to get NE shows) because it was “too confusing?”

    PJ, that’s who.


    I agree. I do not think there is anything sinister with the 10C lottery, but after that all bets are off.

  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
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  • marumaruko
    marumaruko Posts: 410
    PJNB said:




    and there it is.
    "Only request tickets for shows you can definitely attend" 

    This should be tattooed on our arms. You don't know if you can make it happen, don't request and wait until you can be sure. 
    Tickets will be eventually available if everyone follows along. 

    Also, before anyone says "But no one will restrain themselves" - that's the mindset that is hindering the people. Just do what is ideal and you'll see.  



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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    marumaruko said:
    PJNB said:




    and there it is.
    "Only request tickets for shows you can definitely attend" 

    This should be tattooed on our arms. You don't know if you can make it happen, don't request and wait until you can be sure. 
    Tickets will be eventually available if everyone follows along. 

    Also, before anyone says "But no one will restrain themselves" - that's the mindset that is hindering the people. Just do what is ideal and you'll see.  



    There is no longer any reason to do that.

    Fan to fan and no priority has made it that way.


  • marumaruko
    marumaruko Posts: 410
    PJNB said:
    marumaruko said:
    PJNB said:




    and there it is.
    "Only request tickets for shows you can definitely attend" 

    This should be tattooed on our arms. You don't know if you can make it happen, don't request and wait until you can be sure. 
    Tickets will be eventually available if everyone follows along. 

    Also, before anyone says "But no one will restrain themselves" - that's the mindset that is hindering the people. Just do what is ideal and you'll see.  



    There is no longer any reason to do that.

    Fan to fan and no priority has made it that way.


    I wholeheartedly disagree. There is no reason to be selfish and apply for all the shows, if you don't know for sure that you can make it.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    No one knows for sure they can make it to a show. I have tickets to both Boston shows and I plan to attend. Do I know that I can "definitely attend"? Of course not. Life goes on and a million different things could happen between now and September. It's an unrealistic standard. 

    Only buying tickets for shows you plan to attend, that I'm on board for. But if life intervenes or plans change, you should be able to move those tickets and get your money back. 
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