TicketMaster's Fan2Fan is now Fan2Bot

ComeToTX said:

If fan2fan is going to 90% bots I’d rather get rid of it for fan club tix. Make all 10c tix non sellable and non transferable again. The current system is allowing people to put in for shows they’re not even sure they’ll go to and keeping tickets from other members. 

Zod said:

AB285441 said:

edocon said:

AB285441 said:

Why can't F2F leverage an already existing authentication technology.  I don't know about you all, but I would be comfortable with providing an email address (i'd create a specific concert ticket email) and possibly a cell number to someone on here if they chose me to purchase the tickets through F2F.  Seller logs into TM, enters the purchaser's email/phone number in TM (rather then choosing to sell to the open secondary market).  That purchaser receives an authentication code from TM at that email/cell number, and can login and purchase the ticket using that authentication code.  

Alternatively, maybe the seller logs into TM, decides to sell, but before any listing is completed, TM provides an authentication code to the seller.  That seller provides that authentication code to the purchaser of their choice.  Of course, if the seller would like to bypass this and sell on the F2F market without this option, they could do so as well.

I think a hiccup would be how many platforms like 10C exist where fans could come to agreement to buy/sell, maybe not enough to warrant implementing this infrastructural change.

In other words, give choice back to the seller.

If the seller gets to choose the buyer that will lead to side-deals/bribes which break face value intent of F2F.

It’s already broke.   I was intending the above to consist of transactions which are sourced through matches made such as this platform.  There are plenty of good people on here with no intent to make money and pass on to fellow fans.  Since the beginning of humanity bribes have existed.  I’m not proposing to eliminate the problem because it can’t be done.  More of a suggestion of a matchmaking market, where buyers and sellers have the same end goal.  

Yah, but if the feature allows to match with a specific person, then someone else can use it to scalp.  The whole Fan2Fan thing worked because it was random, you couldn't choose who the tickets go to, just post 'em up, and a random grabs them preventing you from doing a side deal for more $$.

Anything that lets you move tickets to a specific person is ripe for exploitation by people who don't mind reselling for more.

That doesn't solve the problem that it appears to broken, as more bands have started to use fan2fan, scalpers have put more effort into thwarting it.

SHZA said:

Zod said:

AB285441 said:

edocon said:

AB285441 said:

Why can't F2F leverage an already existing authentication technology.  I don't know about you all, but I would be comfortable with providing an email address (i'd create a specific concert ticket email) and possibly a cell number to someone on here if they chose me to purchase the tickets through F2F.  Seller logs into TM, enters the purchaser's email/phone number in TM (rather then choosing to sell to the open secondary market).  That purchaser receives an authentication code from TM at that email/cell number, and can login and purchase the ticket using that authentication code.  

Alternatively, maybe the seller logs into TM, decides to sell, but before any listing is completed, TM provides an authentication code to the seller.  That seller provides that authentication code to the purchaser of their choice.  Of course, if the seller would like to bypass this and sell on the F2F market without this option, they could do so as well.

I think a hiccup would be how many platforms like 10C exist where fans could come to agreement to buy/sell, maybe not enough to warrant implementing this infrastructural change.

In other words, give choice back to the seller.

If the seller gets to choose the buyer that will lead to side-deals/bribes which break face value intent of F2F.

It’s already broke.   I was intending the above to consist of transactions which are sourced through matches made such as this platform.  There are plenty of good people on here with no intent to make money and pass on to fellow fans.  Since the beginning of humanity bribes have existed.  I’m not proposing to eliminate the problem because it can’t be done.  More of a suggestion of a matchmaking market, where buyers and sellers have the same end goal.  

Yah, but if the feature allows to match with a specific person, then someone else can use it to scalp.  The whole Fan2Fan thing worked because it was random, you couldn't choose who the tickets go to, just post 'em up, and a random grabs them preventing you from doing a side deal for more $$.

Anything that lets you move tickets to a specific person is ripe for exploitation by people who don't mind reselling for more.

That doesn't solve the problem that it appears to broken, as more bands have started to use fan2fan, scalpers have put more effort into thwarting it.

That's the irony. The transfer restriction was intended to prevent scalpers,but it's not stopping them at all. It's only preventing fans who are willing to follow the rules from selling tickets to a person of their choice and putting more tickets in the hands of scalpers who are dominating F2F with bots. Allowing F2F resale to a designated person could be exploited through side deals but that would still be against 10c rules. I'd think most members wouldn't take that chance 

pjl44 said:

The simple fact is that, with technology being what it is, if you have a thing that retails for $200 but many many people are willing to pay $500 on up, you are playing the most complex game of whack-a-mole to keep it out of their hands 

danofun said:

F2F is as fair as it's going to get for a resale ticket. Period. A better solution is going after the root of this issue, the initial sale. Bring back prioritizing show selections. Once selected, you're at the back of the line for other shows. This would allow for a much larger "winners" pool and significantly reduce the number of individuals holding tickets to multiple shows. Ultimately, that means less people dropping tickets and a less desirable target for brokers.

bootleg said:

I’m not what the best solution is.  Maybe one improvement would be to only allow 10club members to purchase F2F tix that were originally won in the 10club lotto?  They have all our 10c numbers in the system to run the lotto so seems like they could put some kind of restriction on or maybe just give members the first crack at those specific tix?  Like a 24 hour hold.  Of course scammers could then just sign up for the 10club but hey that would at least benefit the band/club.

pjl44 said:

PJNB said:

pjl44 said:

The simple fact is that, with technology being what it is, if you have a thing that retails for $200 but many many people are willing to pay $500 on up, you are playing the most complex game of whack-a-mole to keep it out of their hands 

They achieved 10C tickets staying out of the hands of the secondary market in the past. They are the ones that changed it to a system that allows tickets to be flipped with ease now. 

Oh yeah. And that's what I was saying earlier - the only thing they can do is go back to clamping down on any resale or transfer. Personally I would welcome that.

Zod said:

pjl44 said:

PJNB said:

pjl44 said:

The simple fact is that, with technology being what it is, if you have a thing that retails for $200 but many many people are willing to pay $500 on up, you are playing the most complex game of whack-a-mole to keep it out of their hands 

They achieved 10C tickets staying out of the hands of the secondary market in the past. They are the ones that changed it to a system that allows tickets to be flipped with ease now. 

Oh yeah. And that's what I was saying earlier - the only thing they can do is go back to clamping down on any resale or transfer. Personally I would welcome that.

I'd be ok with it too.  It's very rare I haven't been able to make a concert I bought tickets for.   Maybe 2 or 3 concerts averaged out over 30 years of goings to shows.  That's not bad at all.    Small sacrifice to make to keep 10c tickets out of the hands of scalpers.

pjl44 said:

JimmyV said:

When you have travelling fan base, a safe and easy method for reselling tickets is a nice thing to have. It's not a need to have.

At the same time, a blind presale for seats that you are locked into without any method to get back your money isn't exactly appealing. 

There is no easy answer. 

Your second paragraph was the system for many years and it certainly did not impact demand for Ten Club tickets. Personally I find it extremely appealing.

JimmyV said:

pjl44 said:

JimmyV said:

When you have travelling fan base, a safe and easy method for reselling tickets is a nice thing to have. It's not a need to have.

At the same time, a blind presale for seats that you are locked into without any method to get back your money isn't exactly appealing. 

There is no easy answer. 

Your second paragraph was the system for many years and it certainly did not impact demand for Ten Club tickets. Personally I find it extremely appealing.

It was the system when they played many more shows in many different places. Our friends in Cleveland, Buffalo, Detroit, much of Canada, etc., had local show options. That is largely gone. Today for many more than ever it is travel to see Pearl Jam or don't see Pearl Jam. 

You can book flexible flights and hotels. You should be able to move your tickets, too.