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  • BigRedd
    BigRedd Posts: 113
    You can still pay for tickets on the secondary market. The biggest problem is the average joe can not sell these tickets for a small profit or even sell these tickets for face value if they wanted. This causes the market to have a monopoly with the professionals and the prices are much higher than they should be.

    On top of that they are snatching up the good seats on fan to fan. 

    So now the average joe who is trying to do the right thing and sell for face as we are being forced to do on their platform is actually helping feed the secondary market. 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,117
    I was lightening quick about ten times.  This sucks.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • runstaples
    runstaples WY/NC Posts: 1,070
    When I missed one recently I thought to myself, "no human could have done that faster"...so it's nice to see a thread of people who agree. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,673
    You should all just come to the Vancouver N2 show. Plenty of tickets to be had at face value, lol.
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  • LukinAtU
    LukinAtU Posts: 831
    last tour I tried a timed drop to get some GA from a guy. we corresponded via text. I never saw them...he even sent me a pic of the "sold" update he got.
  • mpedone
    mpedone 540xxx - Manchester, NH Posts: 1,961
    pjhawks said:
    I've said this before (and was told I was wrong) but fan-to-fan while better for the band is worse for the consumer.   Consumer is much better off with a secondary market available to them.  I did not win tickets to Philly 1 or 2 but got tix for night 2.  So for Night 1 i'm pretty much shit out of luck with this f2f bs.  At least with MSG I can decide if I want to choose the price on the secondary market.  I'd much prefer the secondary market being available than f2f.  

    I love the idea of it, but the implementation leaves a lot to be desired.
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  • craigraether
    craigraether Posts: 1,655
    mpedone said:
    pjhawks said:
    I've said this before (and was told I was wrong) but fan-to-fan while better for the band is worse for the consumer.   Consumer is much better off with a secondary market available to them.  I did not win tickets to Philly 1 or 2 but got tix for night 2.  So for Night 1 i'm pretty much shit out of luck with this f2f bs.  At least with MSG I can decide if I want to choose the price on the secondary market.  I'd much prefer the secondary market being available than f2f.  

    I love the idea of it, but the implementation leaves a lot to be desired.
    How about a simple transfer option, where you put in your account and the persons account, to both 10cs, you sign a this is not for profit, then TM does the F2F XFR just between your and the new buyer, only can be done once from OG buyer from 10c to another 10c member...or the seller can just list them if they want to. Side deals will happen, but not the gouging that is going on.
     
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,064
    it'll never happen but going back to physical tickets that have to be picked up the day of would solve a lot of issues.  now we have people with multiple accounts in their household putting in for tickets and people putting in for tickets that they may or may not plan on using.
    This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
  • washed in black
    washed in black Posts: 900
    craigraether said:
    mpedone said:
    pjhawks said:
    I've said this before (and was told I was wrong) but fan-to-fan while better for the band is worse for the consumer.   Consumer is much better off with a secondary market available to them.  I did not win tickets to Philly 1 or 2 but got tix for night 2.  So for Night 1 i'm pretty much shit out of luck with this f2f bs.  At least with MSG I can decide if I want to choose the price on the secondary market.  I'd much prefer the secondary market being available than f2f.  

    I love the idea of it, but the implementation leaves a lot to be desired.
    How about a simple transfer option, where you put in your account and the persons account, to both 10cs, you sign a this is not for profit, then TM does the F2F XFR just between your and the new buyer, only can be done once from OG buyer from 10c to another 10c member...or the seller can just list them if they want to. Side deals will happen, but not the gouging that is going on.
     
    We used to be able to transfer tickets to another 10c member years ago, back when tickets were still will call. I did it just once, in 2006 for one of the NJ shows. But, it was 10c that had to make the arrangements manually, rather than through TM's system.




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  • OceanSoul71
    OceanSoul71 Posts: 135
    Has anyone bought a ticket from TickPick? I see cheaper seats than the PJ Premium on TM, but is that a safe site to buy?
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,117
    tickpick has the philly 1 tickets I was lightning fast for this morning; section 6 row 4.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Gibson
    Gibson Chicago Posts: 2,671
    OceanSoul71 said:
    Has anyone bought a ticket from TickPick? I see cheaper seats than the PJ Premium on TM, but is that a safe site to buy?
    Yep - it's legit.
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  • drfox
    drfox Posts: 1,481
    How does F2F work? I don’t need to use it as already have GA tickets for all my shows. Is there any way of being notified when tickets drop? Just wondering for future years 
  • Outlawed Torn
    Outlawed Torn Posts: 46
    drfox said:
    How does F2F work? I don’t need to use it as already have GA tickets for all my shows. Is there any way of being notified when tickets drop? Just wondering for future years 
    F2F tickets show up on the Ticketmaster map after someone puts them up for sale. You just need to keep refreshing the page for them to eventually show up. The tickets are not guaranteed once in your cart and the fastest person to checkout gets them. 
  • nalyd61
    nalyd61 Boston Posts: 734
    how can they transfer tickets?
  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Just when you think it couldn’t get worse it does. 
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  • aisleseats
    aisleseats Posts: 1,628
    Wellwater Conspiracy said:

    Have tried to "transfer" tickets 3 times so far on random days in the middle of the night for different shows. Every single time when the tickets were listed, I saw them by refreshing, got them in the cart and they were sold in less than a second. I cannot believe a human being was sitting and hitting refresh at 3:45 am on a Thursday morning, or whatever. The speed at which they were bought suggests that bots are now sniping the F2F. Keep in mind this is NOT NY or IL shows where tickets can be sold over face, TM scalpers are now selling their entire TM account (burner accounts) with the tickets included. Just a heads up, the little guy is getting screwed again.

    You have to remember, the "middle of the night" is not the middle of the night for everyone. If you're listing at 3:45a for a west coast show, that's 6:45a for someone on the east coast. And there are definitely people up and searching at that time. Same goes for east coast. If you're listing at 3:45a, that's 12:45a for a west coaster. And there are definitely people still up and searching then. 
    While that is generally the best time to try, any time still has risks.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,889
    Gibson said:
    mpedone said:
    I honestly do not think there's any reason for not allowing 10C members to sell to each other, aside from no one involved caring to put in the work to allow it. TM can set up multiple password-protected presales with access to only certain seats, so why not individual password-protected sales? I want to sell my tickets, they want to ensure I don't overcharge. Give me a password I can send to a buyer of my choosing. They log in, buy the tickets through the TM site, everyone wins!
    Short answer: we're no more special than any other fanbase and ticketmaster / PJ/ both don't need or want to invest time and energy into one more process that a number of people will complain about because they just lost out of the randomness of getting F2F when available.
    Long answer: I'm sure there's some logic around fairness for all in why they don't. This simply promotes more people with high seniority putting in for all shows and making side deals for more money, rare merch, etc.


    Keeping prime seats artificially low in price while at the same time setting a much higher market rate with supply manipulation for PJ premium makes their prime seats sold for $180 close to stage - but actually worth $2000 according to their own standards, an unavoidable target for scalpers, now that they have figured out how to broker in non transferable states.

    We as a community should come to agreement that the complex Pearl Jam ticketing system has systematically imploded. There are specific reasons why their broker and platinum prices are higher than any other artist not named Swift.
  • boyaxl
    boyaxl Posts: 46
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Gibson said:
    mpedone said:
    I honestly do not think there's any reason for not allowing 10C members to sell to each other, aside from no one involved caring to put in the work to allow it. TM can set up multiple password-protected presales with access to only certain seats, so why not individual password-protected sales? I want to sell my tickets, they want to ensure I don't overcharge. Give me a password I can send to a buyer of my choosing. They log in, buy the tickets through the TM site, everyone wins!
    Short answer: we're no more special than any other fanbase and ticketmaster / PJ/ both don't need or want to invest time and energy into one more process that a number of people will complain about because they just lost out of the randomness of getting F2F when available.
    Long answer: I'm sure there's some logic around fairness for all in why they don't. This simply promotes more people with high seniority putting in for all shows and making side deals for more money, rare merch, etc.


    Keeping prime seats artificially low in price while at the same time setting a much higher market rate with supply manipulation for PJ premium makes their prime seats sold for $180 close to stage - but actually worth $2000 according to their own standards, an unavoidable target for scalpers, now that they have figured out how to broker in non transferable states.

    We as a community should come to agreement that the complex Pearl Jam ticketing system has systematically imploded. There are specific reasons why their broker and platinum prices are higher than any other artist not named Swift.

    Exactly. These prices are so overinflated it is a joke. Shame on PJ for enabling this and if they give a shit about their fans this will be the last time. 
  • craigraether
    craigraether Posts: 1,655
    I figured out what Error U504 is.... "these tickets are sold, but if you still want these seats, check out our partner site at PikTik " they are ready for you now.. " 

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