Official 2024 Ticket Lottery Results Thread
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Why were they in 2 draws? That make 0 senseBF25394 said:
I'm just telling you that Person B had better odds because they were in two drawings. Whether doing it that way makes sense is a different question.NewfieintheUSA said:
That makes 0 sense. Drawings should beBF25394 said:
No, they don't have the same odds. Person A was only in one drawing. Person B was in two drawings. The first drawing filled out GA and the floor seats. The second drawing filled out the lower bowl seats.pjl44 said:
Do these two people have the same chance of getting drawn for P1 seats? Yes/no and why?BF25394 said:
Just to be clear, because you're using the word "agree"-- I don't think the instructions were confusing or illogical. I thought they were clear, and so did both of the other club members I talked to before submitting my requests.know1 said:
Reasonable response. I agree that the instructions were confusing or perhaps illogical, but I followed them anyway. My 2 shows had only the first 2 options. I chose both options and got Reserved for both shows.BF25394 said:
It is possible that the Reserved P1 in option one refers to the seats on the floor, while the Reserved P1 in option two refers to the sections in the lower bowl of the arena (with Reserved P2 being the sections in the upper bowl of the arena).washed in black said:
Correctmpedone said:jimjam1982 said:GA/P1 - feels like its own GA only option. The GA pit is a different color.
P1 is the blue
P2 was the orange
It wasn't particularly clear but I feel like the P stands for price. Since seated/GA are the same price they get tagged with the P1
Except that the option said "GA or P1 Reserved - Standing or Seating", so it wasn't just price.
I speculated earlier that there were no doubt people who did not choose all three options and that this would result in better chances of those people being shut out, and this thread is proving that assertion right. People may have had different reasons for not checking all three boxes. Some preferred getting no ticket to getting a ticket in P2. Some did not read the instructions. Some did not understand the instructions. Some did not believe the instructions. Whatever the reason, the result is that some people who would have gotten tickets if they had selected all three options ended up not getting tickets.
Person A: Checked GA/P1 and did not draw GA
Person B: Checked GA/P1 & P1 and did not draw GA
1. GA- All people who selected Ga/p1
2. P1- All people who selected Ga/p1 who didn't get GA + people who selected p1
3. P2- All people who selected p2 who didn't win GA or P10 -
I didn't put in for any shows I don't want to attend. I was hoping to score one pair of GA for LA/LV (swap with a buddy here on the other night), do Missoula, and then maybe do two on the East Coast for whatever show I got swapping with a buddy on the other night. It seemed like a hopeful and unrealistic goal given I have gone 0-fer in lotteries before.BF25394 said:
So you went 8-for-9 then? Why would you give yourself an 0-for-1 when you didn't have an at-bat?kaw753 said:
I went 8 for 10 (7 P1 and 1 GA in Missoula) and one of the two I missed was the night I couldn't get at MSG. The thing is all I really wanted was 1 or 2 GA where I could swap with a ticket buddy on the other night (LA, LV, MSG, or Philly). So, I didn't actually get the tickets I wanted despite winning the lottery 8 times.BF25394 said:
Fairness can be measured by opportunity, or by outcome. It's clear where you stand on that. Meanwhile, there have been two instances reported in the lottery thread of people going ten-for-ten. This one would make three, if they were indeed ten-for-ten.NewfieintheUSA said:
By the way, I'm not sure this will thrill the people who got shut out-- that there are people going for, and getting tickets, to shows that they don't even want to attend, but just want to use the tickets to barter with.
Does anyone have a better idea on how to get GA? I would love to hear it.0 -
Anyways who is going to be in the PIT with me on opening night?0
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There's nothing to suggest that the GA/P1 combo was ONLY for floor seating.2003 Clarkston MI #2 | 2004 Grand Rapids MI | 2013 London ON | 2014 Detroit MI | 2016 Toronto ON #1 | 2025 Nashville TN #20
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Are you going to make each member attend solo or do they get a pair? Nitpicking my estimate aside, you don't dispute that it would be infeasible for 10c to guarantee each local member tickets to the show, which is the point. Especially with MSG's pre-existing policy denying the club any tickets in he prime lower bowl sections.BF25394 said:
They're playing two shows, with a one-show fan-club ticket limit. MSG seats about 19,000. I doubt there are more than 38,000 Ten Club members in metro NYC, which is home to about six percent of the U.S. population. That would extrapolate to over 600,000 members overall in the U.S. all else being equal. Even accounting for a disproportionate number of members being in the NYC area, it doesn't add up. And we know that a significant portion of the membership is overseas.SHZA said:
Not feasible. How many 10c members are in the NYC metro area? Enough to fill MSG several times over I'd imaginePJammin' said:
I didn’t say that, but people that live in that city should be able to get a Ten Club ticket to a show in their own backyard. There would still be tickets left. They have done that in the past with club shows. LOCALS FIRST!YAKIMATSU said:
So, the people that have NEVER had a home show and have to travel to every show are to be considered less than deserving of a seat. Hmmm, yeah no. Be happy that you COULD get a home show that's more than some of us can even hope for.PJammin' said:
Well, that’s fine and dandy, but I don’t think any Ten Club member should strikeout on their own home show if they live there and are in the club. People flying in shouldn’t have preference over someone who actually lives in the city. It just seems jacked up that you can’t get a ticket in your own backyard. 🤷♂️B4idiejets said:Been reading the comments of this thread and I've come to a conclusion. And this is coming from a long time member and someone who lost out on shows in my hometown this go around. I really hope some prominent 10c organizers or even some band members read some of the comments on this thread. Not to come together and find a solution on how to impossibly make everyone happy about this ticket lottery. Nooo, but to realize they are missing the mark on a future merch idea............. you win some, you lose some people. Some of you are acting like entitled whiny little babies. Get over it already
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You believe the P1 seats in "GA/P1" and the P1 seats in "P1" are different pools of tickets?BF25394 said:
No, they don't have the same odds. Person A was only in one drawing. Person B was in two drawings. The first drawing filled out GA and the floor seats. The second drawing filled out the lower bowl seats.pjl44 said:
Do these two people have the same chance of getting drawn for P1 seats? Yes/no and why?BF25394 said:
Just to be clear, because you're using the word "agree"-- I don't think the instructions were confusing or illogical. I thought they were clear, and so did both of the other club members I talked to before submitting my requests.know1 said:
Reasonable response. I agree that the instructions were confusing or perhaps illogical, but I followed them anyway. My 2 shows had only the first 2 options. I chose both options and got Reserved for both shows.BF25394 said:
It is possible that the Reserved P1 in option one refers to the seats on the floor, while the Reserved P1 in option two refers to the sections in the lower bowl of the arena (with Reserved P2 being the sections in the upper bowl of the arena).washed in black said:
Correctmpedone said:jimjam1982 said:GA/P1 - feels like its own GA only option. The GA pit is a different color.
P1 is the blue
P2 was the orange
It wasn't particularly clear but I feel like the P stands for price. Since seated/GA are the same price they get tagged with the P1
Except that the option said "GA or P1 Reserved - Standing or Seating", so it wasn't just price.
I speculated earlier that there were no doubt people who did not choose all three options and that this would result in better chances of those people being shut out, and this thread is proving that assertion right. People may have had different reasons for not checking all three boxes. Some preferred getting no ticket to getting a ticket in P2. Some did not read the instructions. Some did not understand the instructions. Some did not believe the instructions. Whatever the reason, the result is that some people who would have gotten tickets if they had selected all three options ended up not getting tickets.
Person A: Checked GA/P1 and did not draw GA
Person B: Checked GA/P1 & P1 and did not draw GA0 -
Exactly. My theory is that selecting GA/P1 and P1 both gives you 2 ping pong balls in the P1 draw if you miss GA. I have no idea how else it improves your odds otherwise.NewfieintheUSA said:
That makes 0 sense. Drawings should beBF25394 said:
No, they don't have the same odds. Person A was only in one drawing. Person B was in two drawings. The first drawing filled out GA and the floor seats. The second drawing filled out the lower bowl seats.pjl44 said:
Do these two people have the same chance of getting drawn for P1 seats? Yes/no and why?BF25394 said:
Just to be clear, because you're using the word "agree"-- I don't think the instructions were confusing or illogical. I thought they were clear, and so did both of the other club members I talked to before submitting my requests.know1 said:
Reasonable response. I agree that the instructions were confusing or perhaps illogical, but I followed them anyway. My 2 shows had only the first 2 options. I chose both options and got Reserved for both shows.BF25394 said:
It is possible that the Reserved P1 in option one refers to the seats on the floor, while the Reserved P1 in option two refers to the sections in the lower bowl of the arena (with Reserved P2 being the sections in the upper bowl of the arena).washed in black said:
Correctmpedone said:jimjam1982 said:GA/P1 - feels like its own GA only option. The GA pit is a different color.
P1 is the blue
P2 was the orange
It wasn't particularly clear but I feel like the P stands for price. Since seated/GA are the same price they get tagged with the P1
Except that the option said "GA or P1 Reserved - Standing or Seating", so it wasn't just price.
I speculated earlier that there were no doubt people who did not choose all three options and that this would result in better chances of those people being shut out, and this thread is proving that assertion right. People may have had different reasons for not checking all three boxes. Some preferred getting no ticket to getting a ticket in P2. Some did not read the instructions. Some did not understand the instructions. Some did not believe the instructions. Whatever the reason, the result is that some people who would have gotten tickets if they had selected all three options ended up not getting tickets.
Person A: Checked GA/P1 and did not draw GA
Person B: Checked GA/P1 & P1 and did not draw GA
1. GA- All people who selected Ga/p1
2. P1- All people who selected Ga/p1 who didn't get GA + people who selected p1
3. P2- All people who selected p2 who didn't win GA or P10 -
gvntofly1021 said:
if it wasn't/isn't this, i'm not really sure what we are doing here lol. there's so much being speculated on that we simply will not ever know, because TM ain't telling us a damn thing, they don't care, but if this isn't how the drawings work, well... what even is the pointNewfieintheUSA said:
That makes 0 sense. Drawings should beBF25394 said:
No, they don't have the same odds. Person A was only in one drawing. Person B was in two drawings. The first drawing filled out GA and the floor seats. The second drawing filled out the lower bowl seats.pjl44 said:
Do these two people have the same chance of getting drawn for P1 seats? Yes/no and why?BF25394 said:
Just to be clear, because you're using the word "agree"-- I don't think the instructions were confusing or illogical. I thought they were clear, and so did both of the other club members I talked to before submitting my requests.know1 said:
Reasonable response. I agree that the instructions were confusing or perhaps illogical, but I followed them anyway. My 2 shows had only the first 2 options. I chose both options and got Reserved for both shows.BF25394 said:
It is possible that the Reserved P1 in option one refers to the seats on the floor, while the Reserved P1 in option two refers to the sections in the lower bowl of the arena (with Reserved P2 being the sections in the upper bowl of the arena).washed in black said:
Correctmpedone said:jimjam1982 said:GA/P1 - feels like its own GA only option. The GA pit is a different color.
P1 is the blue
P2 was the orange
It wasn't particularly clear but I feel like the P stands for price. Since seated/GA are the same price they get tagged with the P1
Except that the option said "GA or P1 Reserved - Standing or Seating", so it wasn't just price.
I speculated earlier that there were no doubt people who did not choose all three options and that this would result in better chances of those people being shut out, and this thread is proving that assertion right. People may have had different reasons for not checking all three boxes. Some preferred getting no ticket to getting a ticket in P2. Some did not read the instructions. Some did not understand the instructions. Some did not believe the instructions. Whatever the reason, the result is that some people who would have gotten tickets if they had selected all three options ended up not getting tickets.
Person A: Checked GA/P1 and did not draw GA
Person B: Checked GA/P1 & P1 and did not draw GA
1. GA- All people who selected Ga/p1
2. P1- All people who selected Ga/p1 who didn't get GA + people who selected p1
3. P2- All people who selected p2 who didn't win GA or P1
This. All of this. We have no idea how any of this worked. We speculate and assume, but really, we have no idea. That is a problem... No, that's not the right word. It's frustrating. The truth is that Ticketmaster doesn't care or want to give transparency into their process, and why would they? We keep buying tickets. Them being transparent would just lead to more headaches for them. We can complain all we want (and many have been), but it falls on deaf ears.
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you all crack me up. Thanks for providing some entertainment behind this.
As someone who went 0-fer on the two Philly shows, while yes I'm disappointed (and Monday was quite mad, ask my wife), it's not the end of the road. Plenty of time to find tickets.
Also, guess I sold my soul for the PJ lottery as we won the DMB lottery for both Camden shows in July, to the delight of wife.5/26/06 - Camden, NJ -- 10/31/09 - Phila, PA -- 10/21/13 - Phila, PA -- 10/22/13 - Phila, PA -- 04/28/16 - Phila, PA -- 04/29/16 - Phila, PA -- 09/14/22 - Camden, NJ0 -
Okay. I guess I overlooked the fact they may have abandoned the concept of "more tickets than ever before" this tour. What they did not abandon was the potential for nosebleed seats though. That part was made clear.aisleseats said:
Yes. That's pretty much what they said.bbiggs said:
I'll need to go back to look, but that was the idea behind nosebleeds being sold to 10C fans last year, was it not? "More tickets than ever before means some 10C seats will be in the furthest and upper most parts of the arenas." I'm paraphrasing.aisleseats said:
They specifically stated in 2018, 2020, and 2023 that they had acquired a larger allotment of 10C tickets than ever before. I saw no mention of that for this tour.bbiggs said:I recall the 2020 tour shows having at or near 100% odds for Reserved, even in 2nd, 3rd priority selections. Not all shows, but many, including some pretty high demand shows like St. Louis and Denver. I don't recall if Nashville remained that high, but it was definitely up there. The point is that the priority system seemed to work better at distributing the tickets more evenly than today's system. Either that or they were getting more 10C tickets at that point, despite the notion that we're currently getting more 10C tickets than ever before.0 -
Pure speculation. Nothing in the sign up page indicated any distinction between the two "P1 Reserved" options.BF25394 said:
No, they don't have the same odds. Person A was only in one drawing. Person B was in two drawings. The first drawing filled out GA and the floor seats. The second drawing filled out the lower bowl seats.pjl44 said:
Do these two people have the same chance of getting drawn for P1 seats? Yes/no and why?BF25394 said:
Just to be clear, because you're using the word "agree"-- I don't think the instructions were confusing or illogical. I thought they were clear, and so did both of the other club members I talked to before submitting my requests.know1 said:
Reasonable response. I agree that the instructions were confusing or perhaps illogical, but I followed them anyway. My 2 shows had only the first 2 options. I chose both options and got Reserved for both shows.BF25394 said:
It is possible that the Reserved P1 in option one refers to the seats on the floor, while the Reserved P1 in option two refers to the sections in the lower bowl of the arena (with Reserved P2 being the sections in the upper bowl of the arena).washed in black said:
Correctmpedone said:jimjam1982 said:GA/P1 - feels like its own GA only option. The GA pit is a different color.
P1 is the blue
P2 was the orange
It wasn't particularly clear but I feel like the P stands for price. Since seated/GA are the same price they get tagged with the P1
Except that the option said "GA or P1 Reserved - Standing or Seating", so it wasn't just price.
I speculated earlier that there were no doubt people who did not choose all three options and that this would result in better chances of those people being shut out, and this thread is proving that assertion right. People may have had different reasons for not checking all three boxes. Some preferred getting no ticket to getting a ticket in P2. Some did not read the instructions. Some did not understand the instructions. Some did not believe the instructions. Whatever the reason, the result is that some people who would have gotten tickets if they had selected all three options ended up not getting tickets.
Person A: Checked GA/P1 and did not draw GA
Person B: Checked GA/P1 & P1 and did not draw GA0 -
MusicDude415 said:you all crack me up. Thanks for providing some entertainment behind this.
As someone who went 0-fer on the two Philly shows, while yes I'm disappointed (and Monday was quite mad, ask my wife), it's not the end of the road. Plenty of time to find tickets.
Also, guess I sold my soul for the PJ lottery as we won the DMB lottery for both Camden shows in July, to the delight of wife.At least you got DMB tickets. I apparently burnt up all my good karma on my niece's 5th grade state basketball tournament.I do agree with the rest also... I'm shutout and it is far from the end of the road. I will find tickets.Good luck on your hunt!Post edited by Yieldwaukee on
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BF25394 said:
So you went 8-for-9 then? Why would you give yourself an 0-for-1 when you didn't have an at-bat?kaw753 said:
I went 8 for 10 (7 P1 and 1 GA in Missoula) and one of the two I missed was the night I couldn't get at MSG. The thing is all I really wanted was 1 or 2 GA where I could swap with a ticket buddy on the other night (LA, LV, MSG, or Philly). So, I didn't actually get the tickets I wanted despite winning the lottery 8 times.BF25394 said:
Fairness can be measured by opportunity, or by outcome. It's clear where you stand on that. Meanwhile, there have been two instances reported in the lottery thread of people going ten-for-ten. This one would make three, if they were indeed ten-for-ten.NewfieintheUSA said:
By the way, I'm not sure this will thrill the people who got shut out-- that there are people going for, and getting tickets, to shows that they don't even want to attend, but just want to use the tickets to barter with.
I mean, does this surprise anyone? People have been buying multiples of every piece of merch possible for years as future trade fodder...
With the current ticket system, this was always the logical conclusion. As long as you have the available funds to "invest" (i.e. lock up) in PJ tickets, it makes sense.
With ticket prices fixed in most locations, the F2F transfer system, the outrageously high demand, bots scooping up anything available to resell unethically however the can..... as long as you have a pair of tickets to any North American PJ show, you're not going to lose your money. Why not scoop up extras as trade fodder?
For the record: I did not enter any draws with this in mind.Houston, Texas... Believe it or not, there are 7 million people here... must be a couple of fans who'd love to see you play.0 -
Should have the same chance of getting P1 but you never know. If someone messes up the coding you could end up skewing the lotto odds. Like what if they then accidentally gave person B 2 entries in the P1 lotto.pjl44 said:
Do these two people have the same chance of getting drawn for P1 seats? Yes/no and why?BF25394 said:
Just to be clear, because you're using the word "agree"-- I don't think the instructions were confusing or illogical. I thought they were clear, and so did both of the other club members I talked to before submitting my requests.know1 said:
Reasonable response. I agree that the instructions were confusing or perhaps illogical, but I followed them anyway. My 2 shows had only the first 2 options. I chose both options and got Reserved for both shows.BF25394 said:
It is possible that the Reserved P1 in option one refers to the seats on the floor, while the Reserved P1 in option two refers to the sections in the lower bowl of the arena (with Reserved P2 being the sections in the upper bowl of the arena).washed in black said:
Correctmpedone said:jimjam1982 said:GA/P1 - feels like its own GA only option. The GA pit is a different color.
P1 is the blue
P2 was the orange
It wasn't particularly clear but I feel like the P stands for price. Since seated/GA are the same price they get tagged with the P1
Except that the option said "GA or P1 Reserved - Standing or Seating", so it wasn't just price.
I speculated earlier that there were no doubt people who did not choose all three options and that this would result in better chances of those people being shut out, and this thread is proving that assertion right. People may have had different reasons for not checking all three boxes. Some preferred getting no ticket to getting a ticket in P2. Some did not read the instructions. Some did not understand the instructions. Some did not believe the instructions. Whatever the reason, the result is that some people who would have gotten tickets if they had selected all three options ended up not getting tickets.
Person A: Checked GA/P1 and did not draw GA
Person B: Checked GA/P1 & P1 and did not draw GA
Same theory with the same city GA/GA. Did something in the coding somehow improve your odds of getting GA for night 2 if you got GA for night 1. It wasn’t a guarantee like how some had suspected but did it somehow give you an extra ball in the lottery? An extra 10 balls? Looking at pictures at some of the venues the GA looks very limited so pulling back to back GA should be extremely rare.0 -
Thank you! Hopefully the hunt starts tomorrow with getting the email saying I got access to the sale on Friday. If not, F2F or the boards it is. Have been very fortunate from the F5 days, guess I was due for a struggle.Yieldwaukee said:
At least you got DMB tickets. I apparently burnt up all my good karma on my niece's 5th grade state basketball tournament.I do agree with the rest also... I'm shutout and it is far from the end of the road. I will find tickets.Good luck on your hunt!5/26/06 - Camden, NJ -- 10/31/09 - Phila, PA -- 10/21/13 - Phila, PA -- 10/22/13 - Phila, PA -- 04/28/16 - Phila, PA -- 04/29/16 - Phila, PA -- 09/14/22 - Camden, NJ0 -
SHZA said:
Not feasible. How many 10c members are in the NYC metro area? Enough to fill MSG several times over I'd imaginePJammin' said:
I didn’t say that, but people that live in that city should be able to get a Ten Club ticket to a show in their own backyard. There would still be tickets left. They have done that in the past with club shows. LOCALS FIRST!YAKIMATSU said:
So, the people that have NEVER had a home show and have to travel to every show are to be considered less than deserving of a seat. Hmmm, yeah no. Be happy that you COULD get a home show that's more than some of us can even hope for.PJammin' said:
Well, that’s fine and dandy, but I don’t think any Ten Club member should strikeout on their own home show if they live there and are in the club. People flying in shouldn’t have preference over someone who actually lives in the city. It just seems jacked up that you can’t get a ticket in your own backyard. 🤷♂️B4idiejets said:Been reading the comments of this thread and I've come to a conclusion. And this is coming from a long time member and someone who lost out on shows in my hometown this go around. I really hope some prominent 10c organizers or even some band members read some of the comments on this thread. Not to come together and find a solution on how to impossibly make everyone happy about this ticket lottery. Nooo, but to realize they are missing the mark on a future merch idea............. you win some, you lose some people. Some of you are acting like entitled whiny little babies. Get over it already
10C & Ticketmaster could easily shed some light on this. A little transparency would go a long way.0 -
This is especially true in states where resale of tickets is permitted. Given that MSG is the most sough after market, and resale is allowed, once people do it for this show, they might as well do it for all. At worst, people just put the tickets on F2F and get their money back.shep said:BF25394 said:
So you went 8-for-9 then? Why would you give yourself an 0-for-1 when you didn't have an at-bat?kaw753 said:
I went 8 for 10 (7 P1 and 1 GA in Missoula) and one of the two I missed was the night I couldn't get at MSG. The thing is all I really wanted was 1 or 2 GA where I could swap with a ticket buddy on the other night (LA, LV, MSG, or Philly). So, I didn't actually get the tickets I wanted despite winning the lottery 8 times.BF25394 said:
Fairness can be measured by opportunity, or by outcome. It's clear where you stand on that. Meanwhile, there have been two instances reported in the lottery thread of people going ten-for-ten. This one would make three, if they were indeed ten-for-ten.NewfieintheUSA said:
By the way, I'm not sure this will thrill the people who got shut out-- that there are people going for, and getting tickets, to shows that they don't even want to attend, but just want to use the tickets to barter with.
I mean, does this surprise anyone? People have been buying multiples of every piece of merch possible for years as future trade fodder...
With the current ticket system, this was always the logical conclusion. As long as you have the available funds to "invest" (i.e. lock up) in PJ tickets, it makes sense.
With ticket prices fixed in most locations, the F2F transfer system, the outrageously high demand, bots scooping up anything available to resell unethically however the can..... as long as you have a pair of tickets to any North American PJ show, you're not going to lose your money. Why not scoop up extras as trade fodder?
For the record: I did not enter any draws with this in mind.you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane0 -
Can someone explain to me how stub hub has 100s of tickets to shows in cities where the tickets are non-transferable?0
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My apologies if this is a repeat question. Is the Ten Club still doing the special lottery where random people get chosen for row 2 and 10? They used to do that, do they still do that? Thanks.0
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Went away with GA. It had been used at Fenway in 2016 and 2018, but there is GA there now too.YourDirtisMyfood said:My apologies if this is a repeat question. Is the Ten Club still doing the special lottery where random people get chosen for row 2 and 10? They used to do that, do they still do that? Thanks.___________________________________________
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