Ames Bros' July Archive Sale Tuesday July 15th

darthvedder said:

I picked up all 3 on tour that October. I didn't attend Fresno/San Bernardino but they sold extras of that poster at either Sacramento or Mountain View.

BC62528 said:

Is there a concern that by releasing additional prints that it will diminish the value of the original batch - which is what made these posters "Holy Grails" for some to begin with?  I collected baseball cards growing up and the 1952 Micky Mantle was the standard - if I had that original card I would be concerned if the card company was now releasing more "original" cards years later - as it may drive down the value due to the fact that the "scarcity & condition factor" was now removed.  As an example, if the 1998 Knoxville Poster was originally listed as 450 print run, but now 300 more are being sold in 2024, would that change things for people?  Wouldn't it just be better to reissue the prints that so many people wanted and just note it on bottom as a reprint or a special decal on the back and reissue these posters at a more reasonable price - like $50 for reprints or whatever the demand was? Don't mean to open a can of worms here, but just wanted to see if anyone else thought this idea was reasonable?  Otherwise - this act is somewhat setting a precedent.  I would love it if they did that for the Benny on Vinyl and just label it as a second run so that the collectors can distinguish the products - if that is what matters to them?

CROJAM95 said:

Just have an auction without eBay, simple

then you can see fair market value without looking greedy in a set price

some seamed ok, others like what ya smokin

BC62528 said:

My point was not about flippers - to me that is up to how much people are willing to spend, nor am I suggesting impacting the artist's ability to earn income - which is well deserved.  I'm just focusing on the integrity of the industry.  Label it as a "reprint" and sell it at a reasonable cost of what a regular issued poster goes for in todays market at $40-60 dollars per print - which becomes accessible to most and allows the integrity of preserving the value of, in this case, a poster from years past.  However, when something has a run of a "limited" defined amount and than all of a sudden years later - 400 more prints are available, as in the case of 1996 Florida print - help me out fact checkers, not sure I have that correct - than I think it is different than a handful of prints that were found in storage.  If it was just 5 or 10 prints found in storage  - I agree let the artist reap the profits and bypass ebay.  However, would the community go nuts if 1500 more Bennies were found and release by the fan club and now released at market value - say $2500 each?  Although I do think they would sellout in a minute - my point is it would raise an eyebrow about the integrity of the product and marketing.  I would imagine there would be an uproar and a bunch of people that owned the original Benny - which I do not, that they would feel as though they had been mislead to an extent - about the scarcity and uniqueness of that item - that is the only point I am trying to make - not talking dollars here - or trying to hurt someone's ability to earn money - just the integrity of the process.

BC62528 said:

My point was not about flippers - to me that is up to how much people are willing to spend, nor am I suggesting impacting the artist's ability to earn income - which is well deserved.  I'm just focusing on the integrity of the industry.  Label it as a "reprint" and sell it at a reasonable cost of what a regular issued poster goes for in todays market at $40-60 dollars per print - which becomes accessible to most and allows the integrity of preserving the value of, in this case, a poster from years past.  However, when something has a run of a "limited" defined amount and than all of a sudden years later - 400 more prints are available, as in the case of 1996 Florida print - help me out fact checkers, not sure I have that correct - than I think it is different than a handful of prints that were found in storage.  If it was just 5 or 10 prints found in storage  - I agree let the artist reap the profits and bypass ebay.  However, would the community go nuts if 1500 more Bennies were found and release by the fan club and now released at market value - say $2500 each?  Although I do think they would sellout in a minute - my point is it would raise an eyebrow about the integrity of the product and marketing.  I would imagine there would be an uproar and a bunch of people that owned the original Benny - which I do not, that they would feel as though they had been mislead to an extent - about the scarcity and uniqueness of that item - that is the only point I am trying to make - not talking dollars here - or trying to hurt someone's ability to earn money - just the integrity of the process.

BC62528 said:

on2legs said:

BC62528 said:

My point was not about flippers - to me that is up to how much people are willing to spend, nor am I suggesting impacting the artist's ability to earn income - which is well deserved.  I'm just focusing on the integrity of the industry.  Label it as a "reprint" and sell it at a reasonable cost of what a regular issued poster goes for in todays market at $40-60 dollars per print - which becomes accessible to most and allows the integrity of preserving the value of, in this case, a poster from years past.  However, when something has a run of a "limited" defined amount and than all of a sudden years later - 400 more prints are available, as in the case of 1996 Florida print - help me out fact checkers, not sure I have that correct - than I think it is different than a handful of prints that were found in storage.  If it was just 5 or 10 prints found in storage  - I agree let the artist reap the profits and bypass ebay.  However, would the community go nuts if 1500 more Bennies were found and release by the fan club and now released at market value - say $2500 each?  Although I do think they would sellout in a minute - my point is it would raise an eyebrow about the integrity of the product and marketing.  I would imagine there would be an uproar and a bunch of people that owned the original Benny - which I do not, that they would feel as though they had been mislead to an extent - about the scarcity and uniqueness of that item - that is the only point I am trying to make - not talking dollars here - or trying to hurt someone's ability to earn money - just the integrity of the process.

What is the 400 Florida prints you're referring to?

I think I understand your concern... but as someone else posted, its only a couple of these prints per poster being sold.  That won't change the market for these prints.  In fact it might help it by generating interest and publicity which might cause people to seek out posters from private collectors and increase demand.  To use your Mickey Mantle example though... there have been "finds" of vintage cards from time to time and that has not driven down values in the long run.  The Mantle that sold last summer for $12 million was part of the 1986 find where Alan Rosen bought like 5,000 vintage cards including 12 Mantles. 

I agree about generating the interest and the points you make on the market.  Just to close the loop on your question about the 1996 Florida prints -  I believe, again - feel free to fact check as I am not certain - can't stress that enough, that when the item went up it showed something like 250 prints available for the sale.  Which is odd if the original run of back in 1996 was around 400.  The point is it seems odd that a print that was so limited at the time now has almost the same number of new prints hitting the market years later.

on2legs said:

The only situation that comes to mind where an artist dropped a huge amount of prints above and beyond their AP allotment was the 2005 South America tour poster from Brad Klausen.  I believe the band pulled the poster from being sold at shows because Stone wasn't happy with the theme so Brad was a left with a bunch to sell on his own.