Ukraine

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1707029104300577114?t=stKQKtp7jDSmfIcmcxnMOw&s=19

"For the Russians these dead soldiers are "heroes who protected the Motherland". And Russians choose to see them this way, empowered by propaganda and ideology - Russia is very good at hero-izing the dead. They refuse to realize that it was their country that invaded another state, their country that kills, loots, rapes and injures civilians in Ukraine; that these Russian soldiers are murderers and villains."

When I was in Russia on the work thing I did not talk to one person that supported this war.  Everyone was against it and most were afraid to even talk about it unless it was one on one with no one else around.  I never heard about dead heroes that protected the motherland.  I did hear about worries about sons and brothers that were drafted and forced into a war they wanted no part of, of course they aren't calling these people murderers and villains as most are doing what they have to to survive once they are there.  The Russians I talked to thought this was a bigger screw up than us going to Viet Nam.  

mickeyrat said:

static111 said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1707029104300577114?t=stKQKtp7jDSmfIcmcxnMOw&s=19

"For the Russians these dead soldiers are "heroes who protected the Motherland". And Russians choose to see them this way, empowered by propaganda and ideology - Russia is very good at hero-izing the dead. They refuse to realize that it was their country that invaded another state, their country that kills, loots, rapes and injures civilians in Ukraine; that these Russian soldiers are murderers and villains."

When I was in Russia on the work thing I did not talk to one person that supported this war.  Everyone was against it and most were afraid to even talk about it unless it was one on one with no one else around.  I never heard about dead heroes that protected the motherland.  I did hear about worries about sons and brothers that were drafted and forced into a war they wanted no part of, of course they aren't calling these people murderers and villains as most are doing what they have to to survive once they are there.  The Russians I talked to thought this was a bigger screw up than us going to Viet Nam.  

kremlin hiding the deaths or pushing the idea above?

The quote was from his tweet.  People I talked with were well aware that friends and brothers etc were dying and getting maimed and that the government was underreporting it.  Russians are already agains the war but they are afraid to demonstrate or speak out so they just keep their heads down and go to work.

In the tweet the guy claims that Russians believe these soldiers are heroes of the motherland, and that the public supports them, but in my experience Russians were against the war and afraid to speak up.  And also very worried that their family and friends would die or have to do terrible things to survive.  I'm just saying propaganda like that tweet isn't doing anyone any good.  Sure the Russians and Russian soldiers aren't having their homeland destroyed by an invading army, but for the most part they aren't brainwashed idiots that think it is a just war and that Ukraine is full of nazi criminals.

One of my friends was even worried that once this is all over it may take 5 -10 more years before all Russians aren't viewed with disgust internationally just because of the decisions of their government.