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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    He is the weakest speaker in memory.  No juice whatsoever.  
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,526
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    He is the weakest speaker in memory.  No juice whatsoever.  
    He thought it was a good career move and wanted this badly.  Don't think it's going to do what he thought it would...

    Great look for the party right now and the followers don't care.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,526
    tempo_n_groove said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    He is the weakest speaker in memory.  No juice whatsoever.  
    He thought it was a good career move and wanted this badly.  Don't think it's going to do what he thought it would...

    Great look for the party right now and the followers don't care.
    OK so I looked into this more.

    McCarthy made some pretty big offerings to get this job and he isn't living up to them I guess.

    Also parts of the conservatives don't want to just give money to Ukraine without accountability and do it in smaller parts, something I believe Biden had agreed to.

    So in a nutshell they believe spending all this money without justification is big enough to shut down the government.
  • mickeyrat
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  • mickeyrat
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    He is the weakest speaker in memory.  No juice whatsoever.  
    He thought it was a good career move and wanted this badly.  Don't think it's going to do what he thought it would...

    Great look for the party right now and the followers don't care.
    OK so I looked into this more.

    McCarthy made some pretty big offerings to get this job and he isn't living up to them I guess.

    Also parts of the conservatives don't want to just give money to Ukraine without accountability and do it in smaller parts, something I believe Biden had agreed to.

    So in a nutshell they believe spending all this money without justification is big enough to shut down the government.


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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,597

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,597

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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,526
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    He is the weakest speaker in memory.  No juice whatsoever.  
    He thought it was a good career move and wanted this badly.  Don't think it's going to do what he thought it would...

    Great look for the party right now and the followers don't care.
    OK so I looked into this more.

    McCarthy made some pretty big offerings to get this job and he isn't living up to them I guess.

    Also parts of the conservatives don't want to just give money to Ukraine without accountability and do it in smaller parts, something I believe Biden had agreed to.

    So in a nutshell they believe spending all this money without justification is big enough to shut down the government.


    So we are to believe from a tweet that Ukraine has decimated the Russian military by 50%?

    If that is true then I am all for it.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,526
    mickeyrat said:

    I keep seeing you post about this guy.  Does he just say whatever he wants and people take him seriously or is he more for show?
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    He is the weakest speaker in memory.  No juice whatsoever.  
    He thought it was a good career move and wanted this badly.  Don't think it's going to do what he thought it would...

    Great look for the party right now and the followers don't care.
    OK so I looked into this more.

    McCarthy made some pretty big offerings to get this job and he isn't living up to them I guess.

    Also parts of the conservatives don't want to just give money to Ukraine without accountability and do it in smaller parts, something I believe Biden had agreed to.

    So in a nutshell they believe spending all this money without justification is big enough to shut down the government.


    So we are to believe from a tweet that Ukraine has decimated the Russian military by 50%?

    If that is true then I am all for it.
    I'm all for it just so Putin doesn't eventually take any sovereign nation that he wants. 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,597
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    I keep seeing you post about this guy.  Does he just say whatever he wants and people take him seriously or is he more for show?

    he is a candidate for the Republican nomination for President. Simply sharing statements he makes on television and in print which gets attention. 
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  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    I keep seeing you post about this guy.  Does he just say whatever he wants and people take him seriously or is he more for show?

    My theory is that he's running for VP. Americans won't elect a president whose name they can't spell, but I can see him positioning himself as VP to the orange menace. Then, when the actuarial tables triumph, he gets to be POTUS-for-life.

    He's an idiot, but a dangerous idiot.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,597

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  • Gern Blansten
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    That was a great interview...lots of crazy shit
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    Let's look at the bright side. Matt Gaetz appears to have propositioned someone that's been an adult for several years!
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    HAHA
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    He is the weakest speaker in memory.  No juice whatsoever.  
    He thought it was a good career move and wanted this badly.  Don't think it's going to do what he thought it would...

    Great look for the party right now and the followers don't care.
    OK so I looked into this more.

    McCarthy made some pretty big offerings to get this job and he isn't living up to them I guess.

    Also parts of the conservatives don't want to just give money to Ukraine without accountability and do it in smaller parts, something I believe Biden had agreed to.

    So in a nutshell they believe spending all this money without justification is big enough to shut down the government.


    So we are to believe from a tweet that Ukraine has decimated the Russian military by 50%?

    If that is true then I am all for it.
    I'm all for it just so Putin doesn't eventually take any sovereign nation that he wants. 
    It was part of the USSR for a while.  I know there is more to it than just that but I'm with you.  Let Putin take a beat down.

    On that note, what is worse, Ukraine or Afghanistan for Russia?
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  • mickeyrat
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  • Merkin Baller
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    I wonder if shutting the government down will help, or hurt this border crisis that we're so desperate to get under control. 

    I'm inclined to suggest the latter, but am open to hearing how it might help if anyone has any thoughts on it.  
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