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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    again, sigh, no one is EQUATING THEM
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    again, sigh, no one is EQUATING THEM
    lol, see what happens.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I do know what a confirmation hearing entails. However, I took Merkin's post to mean the "both sidesing" of stuffing bills, because I've personally never come across a "both sidesing" of confirmation hearings. I think it was a simple case of crossed wires. 
    No crossed wires at all... People jump to the defense of the GOP in the face of bad behavior / decisions / votes by crying 'both sides' on a regular basis, and I was genuinely curious if someone who thinks both sides are the same wanted to explain the 'no' votes on this confirmation hearing. 
    Aaaaaand this is what I mean if you all think somebody on here is going against dems or for the rep you just eat them alive.

    All I was doing is sticking up for Hugh but because you THOUGHT I was defending the GOP the questions come...

    If somebody has to be defensive then yes, it looks like an attack I'd say.  Again, going against the grain here doesn't go well.
    Defensive? How about “clarifying?” Which occurred. How about this, try making your point as clear as possible before you, you in the general sense, post it? Some of us are really stupid, talking about me, and HFC’s post was in the context of a confirmation vote and not an appropriations vote. The clarification they subsequently made was referring to posts a page or further back. Adding context to a post is not an “attack.” Maybe to you it is? Because the OP feels “defensive.”

    Going against the grain here is fine but be prepared to be challenged on your assumptions and to back up your argument or assumptions. It gets hot in the kitchen and if you can’t stand the heat………… 
    What am I being challenged about?  I made a statement.  I add context but you still attack it.  See how that works?  It doesn't.  You're always right.  That's all.  You get called out on stuff al the time and never so you're wrong.  You must be Mr Right!
    You’re not, in this instance. You claimed another poster was being “attacked.” 

    It’s true, I get called out all the time and I defend my position(s). I don’t take it as an “attack.” I take it as rigorous debate. 
    I'll call  it a pile on.  It's not a debate when one side doesn't yield or have the ability to even bend.  You're an oak not a palm.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,138
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I do know what a confirmation hearing entails. However, I took Merkin's post to mean the "both sidesing" of stuffing bills, because I've personally never come across a "both sidesing" of confirmation hearings. I think it was a simple case of crossed wires. 
    No crossed wires at all... People jump to the defense of the GOP in the face of bad behavior / decisions / votes by crying 'both sides' on a regular basis, and I was genuinely curious if someone who thinks both sides are the same wanted to explain the 'no' votes on this confirmation hearing. 
    Aaaaaand this is what I mean if you all think somebody on here is going against dems or for the rep you just eat them alive.

    All I was doing is sticking up for Hugh but because you THOUGHT I was defending the GOP the questions come...

    If somebody has to be defensive then yes, it looks like an attack I'd say.  Again, going against the grain here doesn't go well.
    Defensive? How about “clarifying?” Which occurred. How about this, try making your point as clear as possible before you, you in the general sense, post it? Some of us are really stupid, talking about me, and HFC’s post was in the context of a confirmation vote and not an appropriations vote. The clarification they subsequently made was referring to posts a page or further back. Adding context to a post is not an “attack.” Maybe to you it is? Because the OP feels “defensive.”

    Going against the grain here is fine but be prepared to be challenged on your assumptions and to back up your argument or assumptions. It gets hot in the kitchen and if you can’t stand the heat………… 
    What am I being challenged about?  I made a statement.  I add context but you still attack it.  See how that works?  It doesn't.  You're always right.  That's all.  You get called out on stuff al the time and never so you're wrong.  You must be Mr Right!
    You’re not, in this instance. You claimed another poster was being “attacked.” 

    It’s true, I get called out all the time and I defend my position(s). I don’t take it as an “attack.” I take it as rigorous debate. 
    I'll call  it a pile on.  It's not a debate when one side doesn't yield or have the ability to even bend.  You're an oak not a palm.
    You’re not a window but a pane. See? Should I girder myself for another football analogy? You’re fumbling so far.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,381
    Go Beavers said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I do know what a confirmation hearing entails. However, I took Merkin's post to mean the "both sidesing" of stuffing bills, because I've personally never come across a "both sidesing" of confirmation hearings. I think it was a simple case of crossed wires. 
    No crossed wires at all... People jump to the defense of the GOP in the face of bad behavior / decisions / votes by crying 'both sides' on a regular basis, and I was genuinely curious if someone who thinks both sides are the same wanted to explain the 'no' votes on this confirmation hearing. 
    They would say both sides do these theatrics and point out when dems pushed back on confirmations, starting with Robert Bork and moving forward from there. 

    History shows balking at Bork was jusified, no? More of his speeches, writing, views have come out since that clearly show an unfitness? No?
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  • mickeyrat
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    giggle....

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  • brianlux
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    Out of My Mind and Time said:
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    Gern Blansten said:
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    Merkin Baller said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
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    Merkin Baller said:
    mickeyrat said:

    Do these senators have any justification for voting no... besides trying to cause chaos while Biden is in office, that is? 

    Honest question, because from all appearances the GOP seems intent on running the country into the ground. 
    hawley and schmitt are firebrand prolifers, so of course they are going to support tuberville and maga no matter what.
    I wonder if someone from the 'both sides' crowd could explain to me how this is just politics as usual. 
    I don't think there's anything wrong with simply asking "did (whichever "team") stuff the bill with other items that (the other "team") legitimately don't believe in?". But in this case, I can't see any justification for voting no. 
    No, there's nothing wrong with asking it, but having said that... how much more do we need to see out of the modern day GOP before we accept that they've become a party of extremists? 

    How much more do we need to see before people wake up and realize this isn't politics as normal, and no... both sides are not the same? 

    It's all about MAGA/ the far right basically saying "I want the kitchen to be painted the way I like it or I'll burn the whole goddamn house down".  I'm critical of both parties, but the republican party has caved into extremists who don't really have an "agenda" other than stirring the shit for the sake of stirring the shit.  Only they are the shit.
    Totally agree....the old "both sides do it" thing is bullshit now. Sometimes I wish the dems would fight back with similar tactics but to some degree it is impossible if you have any honesty/empathy in your bones.

    Agreed, fighting back harder sounds right, but how?  I don't want to make a big issue of the whole clothes thing, but I don't think showing up to the Senate chamber in gym clothing as a show of rebellion is the way to go.  Playing games like middle school children is not what we need.  We need tough, decisive action.  But again, how?  The main fault is the hard right, but the entire party at these higher levels is culpable because none of the Republicans have the balls to step up to the radicals in their party.  The whole damn party (with the exception of the fringe Lincoln Project folks) has gone into the shitter and they are making a farce of our political system.  It's both disgraceful and disgusting. 
    Funny! The right can say the exact same thing about the left. All you have to do is switch out the Rs and replace with Ds. The hypocrisy is SO entertaining.  The left are a joke. Absolute joke. Proven daily. 

    FJB! Everything the left touches turns to shit. Fact!

    Yawn... 

    So anyway, back to reality...  this is from Heather Cox Richardson's letter this evening and it really hits the nail on the head:

    "Jennifer Rubin of the Washington Post focused on the House Republicans today, though, when she wrote: “The GOP completely gone off its rocker—incapable of passing House spending, ranting and raving at AG, cooking up ludicrous and baseless impeachment, unable to greet Zelensky with joint session. This is not normal. This is egregious. You'd think the reporting would reflect it.”"

    And that's a mighty strange reality, hard to fathom, but this is where we are at:  a Republican party that has not only become completely unhinged and lost it's wheels, but pretty much lost it's mind and is willing to set the whole place on fire with everyone in it including themselves.  Again it's that, "If we can't win, we'll just destroy everything in sight including our own well being."

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  • mickeyrat
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    this will go before our now majority R Supreme Court to decide.

    Ohio GOP position aeems to be so fucking what. We're utiliziingbthe fallback maps as the primary process....

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mickeyrat said:

    It really isn’t that hard to figure out, is it? “The South will rise again.” And lose again.
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  • mrussel1
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    BREAKING NEWS, Conservative senator is newest VICTIM of deep state two tier justice system!  Will the persecution of conservatives never end?  WE'VE LOST OUR COUNTRY.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/robert-menendez-indicted_n_650d98c2e4b04db03fdc1805?wef
  • static111
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    mrussel1 said:
    BREAKING NEWS, Conservative senator is newest VICTIM of deep state two tier justice system!  Will the persecution of conservatives never end?  WE'VE LOST OUR COUNTRY.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/robert-menendez-indicted_n_650d98c2e4b04db03fdc1805?wef
    Lol.  This is just misdirection to provide the appearance of the law being applied equally.  Obviously.
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    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BREAKING NEWS, Conservative senator is newest VICTIM of deep state two tier justice system!  Will the persecution of conservatives never end?  WE'VE LOST OUR COUNTRY.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/robert-menendez-indicted_n_650d98c2e4b04db03fdc1805?wef
    Lol.  This is just misdirection to provide the appearance of the law being applied equally.  Obviously.
    Sacrificial lamb is the official talking point.  Also,  he refused to give Joe his 10%.

  • Gern Blansten
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    Menendez is a double secret republican. This cannot stand.
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    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BREAKING NEWS, Conservative senator is newest VICTIM of deep state two tier justice system!  Will the persecution of conservatives never end?  WE'VE LOST OUR COUNTRY.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/robert-menendez-indicted_n_650d98c2e4b04db03fdc1805?wef
    Lol.  This is just misdirection to provide the appearance of the law being applied equally.  Obviously.
    Sacrificial lamb is the official talking point.  Also,  he refused to give Joe his 10%.

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  • curmudgeoness
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    As a former resident of NJ, I've always assumed Menendez was dirty AF. I was more surprised by the part where he somehow stayed in the Senate than I was by today's indictment.

    (Didn't he have some ties to Jeffrey Epstein, as well? I can't remember.)
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    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BREAKING NEWS, Conservative senator is newest VICTIM of deep state two tier justice system!  Will the persecution of conservatives never end?  WE'VE LOST OUR COUNTRY.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/robert-menendez-indicted_n_650d98c2e4b04db03fdc1805?wef
    Lol.  This is just misdirection to provide the appearance of the law being applied equally.  Obviously.
    Sacrificial lamb is the official talking point.  Also,  he refused to give Joe his 10%.

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