Hunter Biden Laptop Controversy

mace1229 said:

The Juggler said:

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Hmace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Dude bought a gun...the right should be overjoyed

I have never seen 1 person in this forum or anywhere else that supports the illegal purchase of firearms, unless you’re talking about something like the Branch Davidians. Most are even okay with stricter laws.
Now I don’t think he deserves the 25 years max. But why have gun les if we openly don’t enforce them? Why fight for more les when we don’t enforce the ones we already have? Seems like common sense to hold him accountable to some extent, especially given the gun problem in America. 

he is the first person to have these charges filed against him. it is only because his last name is biden.

Where are you getting that? First Google search result gave me several examples.
https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/federal-prosecutors-aggressively-pursuing-those-who-lie-connection-firearm-transactions

But your last statement may be right. That’s also had nothing to do with my comment. My comment is you won’t find gun supporters, or at least not a significant portion of them, who crlebreate the purchase of illegal guns that others were claiming.

It probably is true this is rarely charged. But it’s not never. But it’s also probably a little more difficult to prove. How many smokers do you know that quit every month and claim they aren’t addicted? I would imagine it’s hard to prove someone was addicted and lied at the moment they signed that form. But being in the public eye and writing a book about your addictions does make that a lot easier to prove.
I’ve asked this several times and no one has answered. How do we have this gun problem that we have, and yet intentionally not follow through on the gun laws that we have? Also seems like the crowd that calls for more gun control are the same ones that want to look the other way for Hunter.  There is zero question that he is guilty. The only argument is we shouldn’t be enforcing this law for Hunter. What’s the point of having gun laws if we openly don’t enforce them?
Im not saying lock him up for years. Those examples I posted got 3 months. Because of security issues, give him something equivalent, like 6 months probation, 200 hours of community service and 100k fine.

Oh please...there is a significant number or voters and GOP lawmakers who don't even want to expand background checks. 

I'm all for gun laws...even laws that don't exist yet

Don’t most polls say even the majority of gun owners are for basic gun restrictions like universal background checks? 

since when did the gop give a flying fuck what the average citizen much less the vast majority of gun owning nra members?

My comment was in response to "the dude bought a gun, the right should be overjoyed."
I know that was a joke, trying to make fun of the hypocrisy of the right prosecuting someone for buying a gun.

But what is "the right"? I take that to mean anyone who identifies as a conservative or repub, does it not? And not just the politicians in office. And the truth is the overwhelming majority, something like 80% of the right, support basic gun laws. Ones like universal background checks.
Have the dems tried passing just a simple bill like that? Or do they contain a lot more fillers that they try to pass too? 

Are you actually trying to insinuate it is the democrats standing in the way of a universal background check bill?

That was actually a real question. Has anyone proposed a simple bill on universal background checks? I actually don't know for sure, but I do know it is common to tack on a bunch of other unnecessary items that make the bill less desirable.  Because if not, how do you blame just the Republicans when the Dems haven't tried? Polls show that the overwhelming number of Americans, including gun owners and those on the right, want universal checks. 

mace1229 said:

The Juggler said:

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Hmace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Dude bought a gun...the right should be overjoyed

I have never seen 1 person in this forum or anywhere else that supports the illegal purchase of firearms, unless you’re talking about something like the Branch Davidians. Most are even okay with stricter laws.
Now I don’t think he deserves the 25 years max. But why have gun les if we openly don’t enforce them? Why fight for more les when we don’t enforce the ones we already have? Seems like common sense to hold him accountable to some extent, especially given the gun problem in America. 

he is the first person to have these charges filed against him. it is only because his last name is biden.

Where are you getting that? First Google search result gave me several examples.
https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/federal-prosecutors-aggressively-pursuing-those-who-lie-connection-firearm-transactions

But your last statement may be right. That’s also had nothing to do with my comment. My comment is you won’t find gun supporters, or at least not a significant portion of them, who crlebreate the purchase of illegal guns that others were claiming.

It probably is true this is rarely charged. But it’s not never. But it’s also probably a little more difficult to prove. How many smokers do you know that quit every month and claim they aren’t addicted? I would imagine it’s hard to prove someone was addicted and lied at the moment they signed that form. But being in the public eye and writing a book about your addictions does make that a lot easier to prove.
I’ve asked this several times and no one has answered. How do we have this gun problem that we have, and yet intentionally not follow through on the gun laws that we have? Also seems like the crowd that calls for more gun control are the same ones that want to look the other way for Hunter.  There is zero question that he is guilty. The only argument is we shouldn’t be enforcing this law for Hunter. What’s the point of having gun laws if we openly don’t enforce them?
Im not saying lock him up for years. Those examples I posted got 3 months. Because of security issues, give him something equivalent, like 6 months probation, 200 hours of community service and 100k fine.

Oh please...there is a significant number or voters and GOP lawmakers who don't even want to expand background checks. 

I'm all for gun laws...even laws that don't exist yet

Don’t most polls say even the majority of gun owners are for basic gun restrictions like universal background checks? 

since when did the gop give a flying fuck what the average citizen much less the vast majority of gun owning nra members?

My comment was in response to "the dude bought a gun, the right should be overjoyed."
I know that was a joke, trying to make fun of the hypocrisy of the right prosecuting someone for buying a gun.

But what is "the right"? I take that to mean anyone who identifies as a conservative or repub, does it not? And not just the politicians in office. And the truth is the overwhelming majority, something like 80% of the right, support basic gun laws. Ones like universal background checks.
Have the dems tried passing just a simple bill like that? Or do they contain a lot more fillers that they try to pass too? 

Are you actually trying to insinuate it is the democrats standing in the way of a universal background check bill?

That was actually a real question. Has anyone proposed a simple bill on universal background checks? I actually don't know for sure, but I do know it is common to tack on a bunch of other unnecessary items that make the bill less desirable.  Because if not, how do you blame just the Republicans when the Dems haven't tried? Polls show that the overwhelming number of Americans, including gun owners and those on the right, want universal checks. 

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I guess the “vast majority of repub and con voters” are represented by just 8 repub house members and certainly not at all by Moscow Mitchy baby. Ignorance is bliss.

https://www.vox.com/2021/3/11/22319705/universal-background-checks-house-thompson-murphy

I don't remember this bill. I don't have an answer as to why only 8 Rs support it. It doesn't reflect what the majority of the people they represent want. 

mace1229 said:

The Juggler said:

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Hmace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Dude bought a gun...the right should be overjoyed

I have never seen 1 person in this forum or anywhere else that supports the illegal purchase of firearms, unless you’re talking about something like the Branch Davidians. Most are even okay with stricter laws.
Now I don’t think he deserves the 25 years max. But why have gun les if we openly don’t enforce them? Why fight for more les when we don’t enforce the ones we already have? Seems like common sense to hold him accountable to some extent, especially given the gun problem in America. 

he is the first person to have these charges filed against him. it is only because his last name is biden.

Where are you getting that? First Google search result gave me several examples.
https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/federal-prosecutors-aggressively-pursuing-those-who-lie-connection-firearm-transactions

But your last statement may be right. That’s also had nothing to do with my comment. My comment is you won’t find gun supporters, or at least not a significant portion of them, who crlebreate the purchase of illegal guns that others were claiming.

It probably is true this is rarely charged. But it’s not never. But it’s also probably a little more difficult to prove. How many smokers do you know that quit every month and claim they aren’t addicted? I would imagine it’s hard to prove someone was addicted and lied at the moment they signed that form. But being in the public eye and writing a book about your addictions does make that a lot easier to prove.
I’ve asked this several times and no one has answered. How do we have this gun problem that we have, and yet intentionally not follow through on the gun laws that we have? Also seems like the crowd that calls for more gun control are the same ones that want to look the other way for Hunter.  There is zero question that he is guilty. The only argument is we shouldn’t be enforcing this law for Hunter. What’s the point of having gun laws if we openly don’t enforce them?
Im not saying lock him up for years. Those examples I posted got 3 months. Because of security issues, give him something equivalent, like 6 months probation, 200 hours of community service and 100k fine.

Oh please...there is a significant number or voters and GOP lawmakers who don't even want to expand background checks. 

I'm all for gun laws...even laws that don't exist yet

Don’t most polls say even the majority of gun owners are for basic gun restrictions like universal background checks? 

since when did the gop give a flying fuck what the average citizen much less the vast majority of gun owning nra members?

My comment was in response to "the dude bought a gun, the right should be overjoyed."
I know that was a joke, trying to make fun of the hypocrisy of the right prosecuting someone for buying a gun.

But what is "the right"? I take that to mean anyone who identifies as a conservative or repub, does it not? And not just the politicians in office. And the truth is the overwhelming majority, something like 80% of the right, support basic gun laws. Ones like universal background checks.
Have the dems tried passing just a simple bill like that? Or do they contain a lot more fillers that they try to pass too? 

Are you actually trying to insinuate it is the democrats standing in the way of a universal background check bill?

That was actually a real question. Has anyone proposed a simple bill on universal background checks? I actually don't know for sure, but I do know it is common to tack on a bunch of other unnecessary items that make the bill less desirable.  Because if not, how do you blame just the Republicans when the Dems haven't tried? Polls show that the overwhelming number of Americans, including gun owners and those on the right, want universal checks. 

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Here’s a suggestion, if you live in a repub district, contact your representative and senator and ask them why they haven’t supported the bill. Please post your answer. I know from experience that out of district and state inquiries go unanswered. It’s as simple as writing an email to their congressional and senate offices.

"Mr. Fleischmann,

I am a registered voter, gun owner and teacher. Like many, I have had growing concerns with gun violence. I have small children who attend elementary school and have asked why they have shooter drills. I have participated in shooter drills myself as an educator. 

As a gun owner, I do not oppose universal background checks for firearm purchases. It is my understanding that you did not support the Background Checks Expansion Act.

I was hoping to hear from you what your concerns are with the bill, why you believe this would not be the right step towards reducing gun violence in our country and why you did not support it.

Thank you for your time,"

I'll let you know when I get a response. 

mace1229 said:

Clearly a canned response based on the subject I selected from the drop down menu. I’ll see if I can get a more precise answer later.

“Thank you for contacting me with your thoughts on the Second Amendment. It is an honor to serve you as your Representative in Congress.

The words of the Second Amendment are clear and direct: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Gun control restricts the rights of law-abiding, responsible Americans to practice their Second Amendment rights and never stops criminals from breaking the law.

I will always welcome a thoughtful discussion on how to make our country safer. However, I will not be supporting an assault weapons ban, a universal gun registry, a ban on certain types of magazines, red flag laws, or any other gun control that violates our Second Amendment rights. Statistics have proven that banning certain weapons and having stricter anti-gun policies have no effect on curbing violence. Congress should be more focused on examining strategies to ensure that those with mental-health conditions are identified and provided with appropriate care and attention within their communities. The best approach to addressing gun violence is to promote a respect for human dignity and life within our families, schools, and neighborhoods, and to enforce the statutes that we already have on the books.

The simple fact is that a clear majority of Americans support gun rights. For this reason, you can be assured that I will stand strong in order to protect your Second Amendment Rights. Thank you again for your concern about this important issue, and I hope you will let me know if I may be of further assistance in the future.”

Clearly a canned response based on the subject I selected from the drop down menu. I’ll see if I can get a more precise answer later.

“Thank you for contacting me with your thoughts on the Second Amendment. It is an honor to serve you as your Representative in Congress.

The words of the Second Amendment are clear and direct: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Gun control restricts the rights of law-abiding, responsible Americans to practice their Second Amendment rights and never stops criminals from breaking the law.

I will always welcome a thoughtful discussion on how to make our country safer. However, I will not be supporting an assault weapons ban, a universal gun registry, a ban on certain types of magazines, red flag laws, or any other gun control that violates our Second Amendment rights. Statistics have proven that banning certain weapons and having stricter anti-gun policies have no effect on curbing violence. Congress should be more focused on examining strategies to ensure that those with mental-health conditions are identified and provided with appropriate care and attention within their communities. The best approach to addressing gun violence is to promote a respect for human dignity and life within our families, schools, and neighborhoods, and to enforce the statutes that we already have on the books.

The simple fact is that a clear majority of Americans support gun rights. For this reason, you can be assured that I will stand strong in order to protect your Second Amendment Rights. Thank you again for your concern about this important issue, and I hope you will let me know if I may be of further assistance in the future.”