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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    OnWis97 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    It wasn't too long ago that everyone on here thought he was the devil but now you guys like him?
    No, I don’t like him.
    I do.  Always have.  Doesn't mean I agree with everything he does, there is no one like that.  

    I often wonder where we would be today if he had been able to beat Obama...would he have had 8 years....and then would Obama have ever been president...would the republicans not have abandoned their principles...

    Nominating McCain and Romney and losing both times gave the crazies of the part a larger voice to try something different.  It did not end well.
    Sometimes I wish McCain had won. 2008 was a nice time. I even knew McCain voters and 3rd party votes able to appreciate and enjoy Obama's election. But it probably hastened (if not created) the place the GQP is in now.

    Of course, I've heard it argued that McCain choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate was a key step in the crazification of the party. And I get this. I don't specifically blame McCain or think that this was a turning point. But it was probably a sign, i.e., there were already Republicans that just could not deal with the kind of candidate that worked across the aisle and was complimentary at times of his Democratic opponent. And, yeah, back then, Palin seemed off the wall. Now? She's not even on the top-25 deranged list. 

    I generally appreciated McCain and I toyed with voting 3rd* before he announced his running mate. And I think choosing her was probably an misstep. But he chose her to appease a group of people that was just about to explode in terms of numbers and influence. And now, choosing someone like her would be met with unimpressed shrugs and accusations of choosing a RINO to appease the establishment.


    *I am sure I would have voted for Obama either way; I only ever followed through on 3rd once and it was not for president. But she ended my entertainment of that abruptly. 
    That's kind of where I was at. I was perfectly fine with McCain. But as soon as he selected Palin it was game over.

    In hind sight he didn't have much of a choice at the time. He trailed Obama by a large margin and needed a spark.

    If you haven't seen "Game Change" with Woody Harrelson you should watch it. It's a great look into all of those decisions and how much of a mistake the McCain campaign knew they had made.
    Tina Fey crushed Palin's hopes and dreams.. crushed them like a grape.  It was a huge cultural and political moment.  
    Julianne Moore played her in the movie...did a great job
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,853
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    OnWis97 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    It wasn't too long ago that everyone on here thought he was the devil but now you guys like him?
    No, I don’t like him.
    I do.  Always have.  Doesn't mean I agree with everything he does, there is no one like that.  

    I often wonder where we would be today if he had been able to beat Obama...would he have had 8 years....and then would Obama have ever been president...would the republicans not have abandoned their principles...

    Nominating McCain and Romney and losing both times gave the crazies of the part a larger voice to try something different.  It did not end well.
    Sometimes I wish McCain had won. 2008 was a nice time. I even knew McCain voters and 3rd party votes able to appreciate and enjoy Obama's election. But it probably hastened (if not created) the place the GQP is in now.

    Of course, I've heard it argued that McCain choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate was a key step in the crazification of the party. And I get this. I don't specifically blame McCain or think that this was a turning point. But it was probably a sign, i.e., there were already Republicans that just could not deal with the kind of candidate that worked across the aisle and was complimentary at times of his Democratic opponent. And, yeah, back then, Palin seemed off the wall. Now? She's not even on the top-25 deranged list. 

    I generally appreciated McCain and I toyed with voting 3rd* before he announced his running mate. And I think choosing her was probably an misstep. But he chose her to appease a group of people that was just about to explode in terms of numbers and influence. And now, choosing someone like her would be met with unimpressed shrugs and accusations of choosing a RINO to appease the establishment.


    *I am sure I would have voted for Obama either way; I only ever followed through on 3rd once and it was not for president. But she ended my entertainment of that abruptly. 
    That's kind of where I was at. I was perfectly fine with McCain. But as soon as he selected Palin it was game over.

    In hind sight he didn't have much of a choice at the time. He trailed Obama by a large margin and needed a spark.

    If you haven't seen "Game Change" with Woody Harrelson you should watch it. It's a great look into all of those decisions and how much of a mistake the McCain campaign knew they had made.
    Tina Fey crushed Palin's hopes and dreams.. crushed them like a grape.  It was a huge cultural and political moment.  


    But Palin galvanized the extremists, those willing to believe outrageous lies to further political power. It can be argued she had bigger influence than anyone else in that era,  including Obama, leading directly to trump and his Kenya lies, that started his powerful political movement. We’ll be dealing with the result of this movement for decades, as a direct result of how trump changed politicking with scotus in mind. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    OnWis97 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    It wasn't too long ago that everyone on here thought he was the devil but now you guys like him?
    No, I don’t like him.
    I do.  Always have.  Doesn't mean I agree with everything he does, there is no one like that.  

    I often wonder where we would be today if he had been able to beat Obama...would he have had 8 years....and then would Obama have ever been president...would the republicans not have abandoned their principles...

    Nominating McCain and Romney and losing both times gave the crazies of the part a larger voice to try something different.  It did not end well.
    Sometimes I wish McCain had won. 2008 was a nice time. I even knew McCain voters and 3rd party votes able to appreciate and enjoy Obama's election. But it probably hastened (if not created) the place the GQP is in now.

    Of course, I've heard it argued that McCain choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate was a key step in the crazification of the party. And I get this. I don't specifically blame McCain or think that this was a turning point. But it was probably a sign, i.e., there were already Republicans that just could not deal with the kind of candidate that worked across the aisle and was complimentary at times of his Democratic opponent. And, yeah, back then, Palin seemed off the wall. Now? She's not even on the top-25 deranged list. 

    I generally appreciated McCain and I toyed with voting 3rd* before he announced his running mate. And I think choosing her was probably an misstep. But he chose her to appease a group of people that was just about to explode in terms of numbers and influence. And now, choosing someone like her would be met with unimpressed shrugs and accusations of choosing a RINO to appease the establishment.


    *I am sure I would have voted for Obama either way; I only ever followed through on 3rd once and it was not for president. But she ended my entertainment of that abruptly. 
    That's kind of where I was at. I was perfectly fine with McCain. But as soon as he selected Palin it was game over.

    In hind sight he didn't have much of a choice at the time. He trailed Obama by a large margin and needed a spark.

    If you haven't seen "Game Change" with Woody Harrelson you should watch it. It's a great look into all of those decisions and how much of a mistake the McCain campaign knew they had made.
    Tina Fey crushed Palin's hopes and dreams.. crushed them like a grape.  It was a huge cultural and political moment.  


    But Palin galvanized the extremists, those willing to believe outrageous lies to further political power. It can be argued she had bigger influence than anyone else in that era,  including Obama, leading directly to trump and his Kenya lies, that started his powerful political movement. We’ll be dealing with the result of this movement for decades, as a direct result of how trump changed politicking with scotus in mind. 
    Everyone called her an idiot but now she was the mastermind of something?

    I don't recall her doing anything  to stir up conspiracy theories?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    OnWis97 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    It wasn't too long ago that everyone on here thought he was the devil but now you guys like him?
    No, I don’t like him.
    I do.  Always have.  Doesn't mean I agree with everything he does, there is no one like that.  

    I often wonder where we would be today if he had been able to beat Obama...would he have had 8 years....and then would Obama have ever been president...would the republicans not have abandoned their principles...

    Nominating McCain and Romney and losing both times gave the crazies of the part a larger voice to try something different.  It did not end well.
    Sometimes I wish McCain had won. 2008 was a nice time. I even knew McCain voters and 3rd party votes able to appreciate and enjoy Obama's election. But it probably hastened (if not created) the place the GQP is in now.

    Of course, I've heard it argued that McCain choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate was a key step in the crazification of the party. And I get this. I don't specifically blame McCain or think that this was a turning point. But it was probably a sign, i.e., there were already Republicans that just could not deal with the kind of candidate that worked across the aisle and was complimentary at times of his Democratic opponent. And, yeah, back then, Palin seemed off the wall. Now? She's not even on the top-25 deranged list. 

    I generally appreciated McCain and I toyed with voting 3rd* before he announced his running mate. And I think choosing her was probably an misstep. But he chose her to appease a group of people that was just about to explode in terms of numbers and influence. And now, choosing someone like her would be met with unimpressed shrugs and accusations of choosing a RINO to appease the establishment.


    *I am sure I would have voted for Obama either way; I only ever followed through on 3rd once and it was not for president. But she ended my entertainment of that abruptly. 
    That's kind of where I was at. I was perfectly fine with McCain. But as soon as he selected Palin it was game over.

    In hind sight he didn't have much of a choice at the time. He trailed Obama by a large margin and needed a spark.

    If you haven't seen "Game Change" with Woody Harrelson you should watch it. It's a great look into all of those decisions and how much of a mistake the McCain campaign knew they had made.
    Tina Fey crushed Palin's hopes and dreams.. crushed them like a grape.  It was a huge cultural and political moment.  


    But Palin galvanized the extremists, those willing to believe outrageous lies to further political power. It can be argued she had bigger influence than anyone else in that era,  including Obama, leading directly to trump and his Kenya lies, that started his powerful political movement. We’ll be dealing with the result of this movement for decades, as a direct result of how trump changed politicking with scotus in mind. 
    I disagree.  She was an idiot,  but not the great manipulator that Trump is

  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,371
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    OnWis97 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    It wasn't too long ago that everyone on here thought he was the devil but now you guys like him?
    No, I don’t like him.
    I do.  Always have.  Doesn't mean I agree with everything he does, there is no one like that.  

    I often wonder where we would be today if he had been able to beat Obama...would he have had 8 years....and then would Obama have ever been president...would the republicans not have abandoned their principles...

    Nominating McCain and Romney and losing both times gave the crazies of the part a larger voice to try something different.  It did not end well.
    Sometimes I wish McCain had won. 2008 was a nice time. I even knew McCain voters and 3rd party votes able to appreciate and enjoy Obama's election. But it probably hastened (if not created) the place the GQP is in now.

    Of course, I've heard it argued that McCain choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate was a key step in the crazification of the party. And I get this. I don't specifically blame McCain or think that this was a turning point. But it was probably a sign, i.e., there were already Republicans that just could not deal with the kind of candidate that worked across the aisle and was complimentary at times of his Democratic opponent. And, yeah, back then, Palin seemed off the wall. Now? She's not even on the top-25 deranged list. 

    I generally appreciated McCain and I toyed with voting 3rd* before he announced his running mate. And I think choosing her was probably an misstep. But he chose her to appease a group of people that was just about to explode in terms of numbers and influence. And now, choosing someone like her would be met with unimpressed shrugs and accusations of choosing a RINO to appease the establishment.


    *I am sure I would have voted for Obama either way; I only ever followed through on 3rd once and it was not for president. But she ended my entertainment of that abruptly. 
    That's kind of where I was at. I was perfectly fine with McCain. But as soon as he selected Palin it was game over.

    In hind sight he didn't have much of a choice at the time. He trailed Obama by a large margin and needed a spark.

    If you haven't seen "Game Change" with Woody Harrelson you should watch it. It's a great look into all of those decisions and how much of a mistake the McCain campaign knew they had made.
    Tina Fey crushed Palin's hopes and dreams.. crushed them like a grape.  It was a huge cultural and political moment.  


    But Palin galvanized the extremists, those willing to believe outrageous lies to further political power. It can be argued she had bigger influence than anyone else in that era,  including Obama, leading directly to trump and his Kenya lies, that started his powerful political movement. We’ll be dealing with the result of this movement for decades, as a direct result of how trump changed politicking with scotus in mind. 
    Everyone called her an idiot but now she was the mastermind of something?

    I don't recall her doing anything  to stir up conspiracy theories?

    death panels......
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    OnWis97 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    It wasn't too long ago that everyone on here thought he was the devil but now you guys like him?
    No, I don’t like him.
    I do.  Always have.  Doesn't mean I agree with everything he does, there is no one like that.  

    I often wonder where we would be today if he had been able to beat Obama...would he have had 8 years....and then would Obama have ever been president...would the republicans not have abandoned their principles...

    Nominating McCain and Romney and losing both times gave the crazies of the part a larger voice to try something different.  It did not end well.
    Sometimes I wish McCain had won. 2008 was a nice time. I even knew McCain voters and 3rd party votes able to appreciate and enjoy Obama's election. But it probably hastened (if not created) the place the GQP is in now.

    Of course, I've heard it argued that McCain choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate was a key step in the crazification of the party. And I get this. I don't specifically blame McCain or think that this was a turning point. But it was probably a sign, i.e., there were already Republicans that just could not deal with the kind of candidate that worked across the aisle and was complimentary at times of his Democratic opponent. And, yeah, back then, Palin seemed off the wall. Now? She's not even on the top-25 deranged list. 

    I generally appreciated McCain and I toyed with voting 3rd* before he announced his running mate. And I think choosing her was probably an misstep. But he chose her to appease a group of people that was just about to explode in terms of numbers and influence. And now, choosing someone like her would be met with unimpressed shrugs and accusations of choosing a RINO to appease the establishment.


    *I am sure I would have voted for Obama either way; I only ever followed through on 3rd once and it was not for president. But she ended my entertainment of that abruptly. 
    That's kind of where I was at. I was perfectly fine with McCain. But as soon as he selected Palin it was game over.

    In hind sight he didn't have much of a choice at the time. He trailed Obama by a large margin and needed a spark.

    If you haven't seen "Game Change" with Woody Harrelson you should watch it. It's a great look into all of those decisions and how much of a mistake the McCain campaign knew they had made.
    Tina Fey crushed Palin's hopes and dreams.. crushed them like a grape.  It was a huge cultural and political moment.  


    But Palin galvanized the extremists, those willing to believe outrageous lies to further political power. It can be argued she had bigger influence than anyone else in that era,  including Obama, leading directly to trump and his Kenya lies, that started his powerful political movement. We’ll be dealing with the result of this movement for decades, as a direct result of how trump changed politicking with scotus in mind. 
    Everyone called her an idiot but now she was the mastermind of something?

    I don't recall her doing anything  to stir up conspiracy theories?
    She was literally so stupid that she ushered in the practice of only putting her on friendly media so that she wouldn't be challenged. This led to an entire universe of bullshit that we are still dealing with. Anyone can "prove" any point they make because there is a story about it on some disingenuous news organization website. That is all the proof that magats require. A link or meme on the internet.
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,371

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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    OnWis97 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    It wasn't too long ago that everyone on here thought he was the devil but now you guys like him?
    No, I don’t like him.
    I do.  Always have.  Doesn't mean I agree with everything he does, there is no one like that.  

    I often wonder where we would be today if he had been able to beat Obama...would he have had 8 years....and then would Obama have ever been president...would the republicans not have abandoned their principles...

    Nominating McCain and Romney and losing both times gave the crazies of the part a larger voice to try something different.  It did not end well.
    Sometimes I wish McCain had won. 2008 was a nice time. I even knew McCain voters and 3rd party votes able to appreciate and enjoy Obama's election. But it probably hastened (if not created) the place the GQP is in now.

    Of course, I've heard it argued that McCain choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate was a key step in the crazification of the party. And I get this. I don't specifically blame McCain or think that this was a turning point. But it was probably a sign, i.e., there were already Republicans that just could not deal with the kind of candidate that worked across the aisle and was complimentary at times of his Democratic opponent. And, yeah, back then, Palin seemed off the wall. Now? She's not even on the top-25 deranged list. 

    I generally appreciated McCain and I toyed with voting 3rd* before he announced his running mate. And I think choosing her was probably an misstep. But he chose her to appease a group of people that was just about to explode in terms of numbers and influence. And now, choosing someone like her would be met with unimpressed shrugs and accusations of choosing a RINO to appease the establishment.


    *I am sure I would have voted for Obama either way; I only ever followed through on 3rd once and it was not for president. But she ended my entertainment of that abruptly. 
    That's kind of where I was at. I was perfectly fine with McCain. But as soon as he selected Palin it was game over.

    In hind sight he didn't have much of a choice at the time. He trailed Obama by a large margin and needed a spark.

    If you haven't seen "Game Change" with Woody Harrelson you should watch it. It's a great look into all of those decisions and how much of a mistake the McCain campaign knew they had made.
    Tina Fey crushed Palin's hopes and dreams.. crushed them like a grape.  It was a huge cultural and political moment.  


    But Palin galvanized the extremists, those willing to believe outrageous lies to further political power. It can be argued she had bigger influence than anyone else in that era,  including Obama, leading directly to trump and his Kenya lies, that started his powerful political movement. We’ll be dealing with the result of this movement for decades, as a direct result of how trump changed politicking with scotus in mind. 
    Everyone called her an idiot but now she was the mastermind of something?

    I don't recall her doing anything  to stir up conspiracy theories?

    death panels......
    She said death panels?  I thought that was Newt.  But that's the only one?
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    OnWis97 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    It wasn't too long ago that everyone on here thought he was the devil but now you guys like him?
    No, I don’t like him.
    I do.  Always have.  Doesn't mean I agree with everything he does, there is no one like that.  

    I often wonder where we would be today if he had been able to beat Obama...would he have had 8 years....and then would Obama have ever been president...would the republicans not have abandoned their principles...

    Nominating McCain and Romney and losing both times gave the crazies of the part a larger voice to try something different.  It did not end well.
    Sometimes I wish McCain had won. 2008 was a nice time. I even knew McCain voters and 3rd party votes able to appreciate and enjoy Obama's election. But it probably hastened (if not created) the place the GQP is in now.

    Of course, I've heard it argued that McCain choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate was a key step in the crazification of the party. And I get this. I don't specifically blame McCain or think that this was a turning point. But it was probably a sign, i.e., there were already Republicans that just could not deal with the kind of candidate that worked across the aisle and was complimentary at times of his Democratic opponent. And, yeah, back then, Palin seemed off the wall. Now? She's not even on the top-25 deranged list. 

    I generally appreciated McCain and I toyed with voting 3rd* before he announced his running mate. And I think choosing her was probably an misstep. But he chose her to appease a group of people that was just about to explode in terms of numbers and influence. And now, choosing someone like her would be met with unimpressed shrugs and accusations of choosing a RINO to appease the establishment.


    *I am sure I would have voted for Obama either way; I only ever followed through on 3rd once and it was not for president. But she ended my entertainment of that abruptly. 
    That's kind of where I was at. I was perfectly fine with McCain. But as soon as he selected Palin it was game over.

    In hind sight he didn't have much of a choice at the time. He trailed Obama by a large margin and needed a spark.

    If you haven't seen "Game Change" with Woody Harrelson you should watch it. It's a great look into all of those decisions and how much of a mistake the McCain campaign knew they had made.
    Tina Fey crushed Palin's hopes and dreams.. crushed them like a grape.  It was a huge cultural and political moment.  


    But Palin galvanized the extremists, those willing to believe outrageous lies to further political power. It can be argued she had bigger influence than anyone else in that era,  including Obama, leading directly to trump and his Kenya lies, that started his powerful political movement. We’ll be dealing with the result of this movement for decades, as a direct result of how trump changed politicking with scotus in mind. 
    Everyone called her an idiot but now she was the mastermind of something?

    I don't recall her doing anything  to stir up conspiracy theories?
    She was literally so stupid that she ushered in the practice of only putting her on friendly media so that she wouldn't be challenged. This led to an entire universe of bullshit that we are still dealing with. Anyone can "prove" any point they make because there is a story about it on some disingenuous news organization website. That is all the proof that magats require. A link or meme on the internet.
    She could debate.  I thought she did well on there and the one interview she had with Couric is what sunk her.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,853
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    OnWis97 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    It wasn't too long ago that everyone on here thought he was the devil but now you guys like him?
    No, I don’t like him.
    I do.  Always have.  Doesn't mean I agree with everything he does, there is no one like that.  

    I often wonder where we would be today if he had been able to beat Obama...would he have had 8 years....and then would Obama have ever been president...would the republicans not have abandoned their principles...

    Nominating McCain and Romney and losing both times gave the crazies of the part a larger voice to try something different.  It did not end well.
    Sometimes I wish McCain had won. 2008 was a nice time. I even knew McCain voters and 3rd party votes able to appreciate and enjoy Obama's election. But it probably hastened (if not created) the place the GQP is in now.

    Of course, I've heard it argued that McCain choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate was a key step in the crazification of the party. And I get this. I don't specifically blame McCain or think that this was a turning point. But it was probably a sign, i.e., there were already Republicans that just could not deal with the kind of candidate that worked across the aisle and was complimentary at times of his Democratic opponent. And, yeah, back then, Palin seemed off the wall. Now? She's not even on the top-25 deranged list. 

    I generally appreciated McCain and I toyed with voting 3rd* before he announced his running mate. And I think choosing her was probably an misstep. But he chose her to appease a group of people that was just about to explode in terms of numbers and influence. And now, choosing someone like her would be met with unimpressed shrugs and accusations of choosing a RINO to appease the establishment.


    *I am sure I would have voted for Obama either way; I only ever followed through on 3rd once and it was not for president. But she ended my entertainment of that abruptly. 
    That's kind of where I was at. I was perfectly fine with McCain. But as soon as he selected Palin it was game over.

    In hind sight he didn't have much of a choice at the time. He trailed Obama by a large margin and needed a spark.

    If you haven't seen "Game Change" with Woody Harrelson you should watch it. It's a great look into all of those decisions and how much of a mistake the McCain campaign knew they had made.
    Tina Fey crushed Palin's hopes and dreams.. crushed them like a grape.  It was a huge cultural and political moment.  


    But Palin galvanized the extremists, those willing to believe outrageous lies to further political power. It can be argued she had bigger influence than anyone else in that era,  including Obama, leading directly to trump and his Kenya lies, that started his powerful political movement. We’ll be dealing with the result of this movement for decades, as a direct result of how trump changed politicking with scotus in mind. 
    Everyone called her an idiot but now she was the mastermind of something?

    I don't recall her doing anything  to stir up conspiracy theories?
    mrussel1 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    OnWis97 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    It wasn't too long ago that everyone on here thought he was the devil but now you guys like him?
    No, I don’t like him.
    I do.  Always have.  Doesn't mean I agree with everything he does, there is no one like that.  

    I often wonder where we would be today if he had been able to beat Obama...would he have had 8 years....and then would Obama have ever been president...would the republicans not have abandoned their principles...

    Nominating McCain and Romney and losing both times gave the crazies of the part a larger voice to try something different.  It did not end well.
    Sometimes I wish McCain had won. 2008 was a nice time. I even knew McCain voters and 3rd party votes able to appreciate and enjoy Obama's election. But it probably hastened (if not created) the place the GQP is in now.

    Of course, I've heard it argued that McCain choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate was a key step in the crazification of the party. And I get this. I don't specifically blame McCain or think that this was a turning point. But it was probably a sign, i.e., there were already Republicans that just could not deal with the kind of candidate that worked across the aisle and was complimentary at times of his Democratic opponent. And, yeah, back then, Palin seemed off the wall. Now? She's not even on the top-25 deranged list. 

    I generally appreciated McCain and I toyed with voting 3rd* before he announced his running mate. And I think choosing her was probably an misstep. But he chose her to appease a group of people that was just about to explode in terms of numbers and influence. And now, choosing someone like her would be met with unimpressed shrugs and accusations of choosing a RINO to appease the establishment.


    *I am sure I would have voted for Obama either way; I only ever followed through on 3rd once and it was not for president. But she ended my entertainment of that abruptly. 
    That's kind of where I was at. I was perfectly fine with McCain. But as soon as he selected Palin it was game over.

    In hind sight he didn't have much of a choice at the time. He trailed Obama by a large margin and needed a spark.

    If you haven't seen "Game Change" with Woody Harrelson you should watch it. It's a great look into all of those decisions and how much of a mistake the McCain campaign knew they had made.
    Tina Fey crushed Palin's hopes and dreams.. crushed them like a grape.  It was a huge cultural and political moment.  


    But Palin galvanized the extremists, those willing to believe outrageous lies to further political power. It can be argued she had bigger influence than anyone else in that era,  including Obama, leading directly to trump and his Kenya lies, that started his powerful political movement. We’ll be dealing with the result of this movement for decades, as a direct result of how trump changed politicking with scotus in mind. 
    I disagree.  She was an idiot,  but not the great manipulator that Trump is


    Doesn’t matter that she was an idiot. She trumped before trump. She got them engaged just in time for the Kenya lies. She revolutionized the use of social media to spew lies and conspiracy theories.I’ll defer to Steve Schmidt,

    “She is the first of a generation of politicians who live in a post-truth environment. She was, and there’s no polite way to say it, but a serial liar,” Steve Schmidt, who helped lead John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign and pushed him to choose Palin as his running mate, tells FRONTLINEin the documentary America’s Great Divide: From Obama to Trump.

    “She would say things that are simply not true, or things that were picked up from the Internet,” the former GOP operative, who had also worked as a campaign adviser to President George W. Bush, continues. “And this obliteration of fact from fiction, of truth from lie, has become now endemic in American politics. But it started then.”

    Schmidt and Palin have clashed in the years after the campaign ended, each accusing the other of mischaracterizations.

    Palin’s role in exploiting America’s divisions (including on social media) and paving the way for the rise of President Donald Trump is explored as part of America’s Great Divide — a two-night, four-hour special premiering Jan. 13 and 14 on air and online that shows how the country’s increasingly divisive politics over the past decade have led to this moment.


  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,853

    I agree Russ that her political dreams were crushed and she was not able to turn her lying BS into political wins like trump can. Leaving her governorship before her term was over was the ultimate in stupidity. But she laid the groundwork of lying to lie to protect the lies, and using social media to enhance that. Who did it on this level before her? She was the true maverick.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    History is going to have a field day with Palin & tRump.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,853
    Gern Blansten said:
    History is going to have a field day with Palin & tRump.
    Dems lose next year and maga gets to write the story
  • The Juggler
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    Yeah I was leaning towards McCain until he chose Palin. That was basically the last straw for me and the republican party moving forward actually. 
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    The Juggler said:
    Yeah I was leaning towards McCain until he chose Palin. That was basically the last straw for me and the republican party moving forward actually. 
    same....I voted for Kerry because I was pissed off at Bush for cutting taxes and going to war at the same time. That didn't jive.

    I would have veered back for McCain but the party lost me with Palin. The GOP needs to die and re-emerge as a real party. Right now it's just a bunch of racist hilljacks/morons.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,853
    Gern Blansten said:
    The Juggler said:
    Yeah I was leaning towards McCain until he chose Palin. That was basically the last straw for me and the republican party moving forward actually. 
    same....I voted for Kerry because I was pissed off at Bush for cutting taxes and going to war at the same time. That didn't jive.

    I would have veered back for McCain but the party lost me with Palin. The GOP needs to die and re-emerge as a real party. Right now it's just a bunch of racist hilljacks/morons.

    Spoken like a true cpa..
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    The Juggler said:
    Yeah I was leaning towards McCain until he chose Palin. That was basically the last straw for me and the republican party moving forward actually. 
    same....I voted for Kerry because I was pissed off at Bush for cutting taxes and going to war at the same time. That didn't jive.

    I would have veered back for McCain but the party lost me with Palin. The GOP needs to die and re-emerge as a real party. Right now it's just a bunch of racist hilljacks/morons.

    Spoken like a true cpa..
    But it's amazing how many CPAs around me are rabid tRumpsters. And they all push the trickle down bullshit.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    edited July 2023
    Gern Blansten said:
    The Juggler said:
    Yeah I was leaning towards McCain until he chose Palin. That was basically the last straw for me and the republican party moving forward actually. 
    same....I voted for Kerry because I was pissed off at Bush for cutting taxes and going to war at the same time. That didn't jive.

    I would have veered back for McCain but the party lost me with Palin. The GOP needs to die and re-emerge as a real party. Right now it's just a bunch of racist hilljacks/morons.
    Yeah I was a republican up until 06/07 ish...but by then you could see weirdo crazy people like Michelle Bachman gaining way more power and influence than someone like her should. And the constant culture war drumbeat was getting off the ground and gaining steam....you could just tell that they were not serious people. And now look at 'em: the wackjobs are running the asylum. 
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  • cincybearcat
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    OnWis97 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    It wasn't too long ago that everyone on here thought he was the devil but now you guys like him?
    No, I don’t like him.
    I do.  Always have.  Doesn't mean I agree with everything he does, there is no one like that.  

    I often wonder where we would be today if he had been able to beat Obama...would he have had 8 years....and then would Obama have ever been president...would the republicans not have abandoned their principles...

    Nominating McCain and Romney and losing both times gave the crazies of the part a larger voice to try something different.  It did not end well.
    Sometimes I wish McCain had won. 2008 was a nice time. I even knew McCain voters and 3rd party votes able to appreciate and enjoy Obama's election. But it probably hastened (if not created) the place the GQP is in now.

    Of course, I've heard it argued that McCain choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate was a key step in the crazification of the party. And I get this. I don't specifically blame McCain or think that this was a turning point. But it was probably a sign, i.e., there were already Republicans that just could not deal with the kind of candidate that worked across the aisle and was complimentary at times of his Democratic opponent. And, yeah, back then, Palin seemed off the wall. Now? She's not even on the top-25 deranged list. 

    I generally appreciated McCain and I toyed with voting 3rd* before he announced his running mate. And I think choosing her was probably an misstep. But he chose her to appease a group of people that was just about to explode in terms of numbers and influence. And now, choosing someone like her would be met with unimpressed shrugs and accusations of choosing a RINO to appease the establishment.


    *I am sure I would have voted for Obama either way; I only ever followed through on 3rd once and it was not for president. But she ended my entertainment of that abruptly. 
    This makes sense.  I did vote for Obama over McCain mostly due to Palin and the crazies.  I think Mitt was the last push to keep the party from evolving into what it has become, but you are likely very right regarding the selection of Palin being the first visible sign of what was to come.  Or the first big, national sign.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177


    I had a client get rooked into this...actually my client's son talked her into putting all of her retirement money into a gold fund and ended up losing at least a third of it.


    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
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