14 years and counting...

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

mace1229 said:

cblock4life said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

My immigration thoughts are definitely tainted.  

I processed free and reduced meal applications for a school district with over 4500 students and something like 17 different languages being spoken.  If I had questions about the application a family member (usually one of the kids) would translate the answers or I would have them come in for a meeting with an ESL teacher/counselor so they could assist them.  I remember about 90% of them telling me “god bless you”.  American citizens were rude, ignorant, and entitled.  So whether a new citizen child or an American child that’s all I could see.  The children.  If taking shit from an American citizen parent meant their child could eat that day well so be it. 

 

Start looking at individuals in front of you as a single human rather than as someone from a group.  

NYC doesn't like to close the schools down for any reason.  Do you know why?  Most inner city kids are fed through the schools.  Feeding the kids doesn't bother me in the slightest, we've been doing this for years.

It's the strain on the teachers in the schools where it becomes a problem.  Kids need structure to learn.  Take that from them and you'll get chaos just like the ones the people in charge are doing thinking it's for the best.

This is well said.

Illegal (and probably legal too) immigration disproportionally effects certain communities more and does create a big strain on the services, including education. 

Two different schools can have the same budget. One uses a large portion of it for co-teachers and ESL support which leads to over crowded conditions, high teacher turnover, fewer elective options for students, slower pacing for classes, etc. The other can reduce class sizes and keep the building up to date with it, offer more advance classes, keep up with technology, etc. Its a big strain that is rarely acknowledged. And if that other school is in a different district, chances are it will have better pay and retain better teachers as well. Ignoring the stress it creates doesn't help anyone. 

And acknowledging it isn't bad. I can see them as individuals and have empathy for what them and understand the strain on resources at the same time. 

Oh yes you can just like I can believe in allowing immigrants in while enforcing laws and having structure. 

Why isn’t your district or district A above not receiving extra money for ESL students?  We had so many grants approved that not one penny of residents money was used for immigrants food or ESL teachers.  Now this was ten years ago but I’m fairly certain it’s still budgeted that way.  

My understanding is a lot of that money is for teacher training, certifications and PD, or after school programs and tutoring, things like that. Not staffing and salaries. 
I could be wrong, but that's how I always thought it worked with that. Food is paid for by a different budget, you are correct about that.

Either way, my point was there is a lot more money that goes into poorer communities than people realize. Those communities with a higher migrant population are often in the lower-income areas.

Schools with low-income families often don't charge for busses, will pay for fees associated with class, will provide students with electronic devices and computers and so many more things other schools don't need to even consider. Schools in upper middle class areas will charge for bussing, don't provide electronics because they can rely on families supplying them. Don't need to provide basic school supplies or personal sporting equipment. Leaves more money for building maintenance and updates. Money for sports and fields and club sponsorship. More money for more elective classes. Money for custodians and providing a cleaner school. And teacher salaries.
Those schools are often all around much better places to attend and work. When money from the budget is being used to provide bussing, class fees, student supplies, student devices, personal sporting equipment, there is no money left for custodians and teacher salaries. The school is outdated, not cleaned, offers fewer electives and honors classes.

That's exactly how 2 schools a few miles from each other can look completely different. Both get the same state and federal funding. One has to use more resources on the students, the other has more to use on the school as a whole. 

Looks like Title I funds are utilized differently state by state.  Would have thought federal $$ would have consistent rules around the country like abortion, oh never mind. 

https://www.nysed.gov/essa/title-i-part-allowable-and-unallowable-expenditures 

This is NY’s allowable Title I expenses. 

Mayor Adams has said that the state or city rather has received a fraction of the money promised for letting in the asylum seekers.

We should have a sponsoring system like they do in other countries.

I also think the government should start developing new cities.  I always wanted to do that.  Plan a brand new city/development.

I know its been done many times before. But I always wonder how do you convince 100,000 people, or however many it would take, to just up and move to an unestablished location?

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

mace1229 said:

cblock4life said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

My immigration thoughts are definitely tainted.  

I processed free and reduced meal applications for a school district with over 4500 students and something like 17 different languages being spoken.  If I had questions about the application a family member (usually one of the kids) would translate the answers or I would have them come in for a meeting with an ESL teacher/counselor so they could assist them.  I remember about 90% of them telling me “god bless you”.  American citizens were rude, ignorant, and entitled.  So whether a new citizen child or an American child that’s all I could see.  The children.  If taking shit from an American citizen parent meant their child could eat that day well so be it. 

 

Start looking at individuals in front of you as a single human rather than as someone from a group.  

NYC doesn't like to close the schools down for any reason.  Do you know why?  Most inner city kids are fed through the schools.  Feeding the kids doesn't bother me in the slightest, we've been doing this for years.

It's the strain on the teachers in the schools where it becomes a problem.  Kids need structure to learn.  Take that from them and you'll get chaos just like the ones the people in charge are doing thinking it's for the best.

This is well said.

Illegal (and probably legal too) immigration disproportionally effects certain communities more and does create a big strain on the services, including education. 

Two different schools can have the same budget. One uses a large portion of it for co-teachers and ESL support which leads to over crowded conditions, high teacher turnover, fewer elective options for students, slower pacing for classes, etc. The other can reduce class sizes and keep the building up to date with it, offer more advance classes, keep up with technology, etc. Its a big strain that is rarely acknowledged. And if that other school is in a different district, chances are it will have better pay and retain better teachers as well. Ignoring the stress it creates doesn't help anyone. 

And acknowledging it isn't bad. I can see them as individuals and have empathy for what them and understand the strain on resources at the same time. 

Oh yes you can just like I can believe in allowing immigrants in while enforcing laws and having structure. 

Why isn’t your district or district A above not receiving extra money for ESL students?  We had so many grants approved that not one penny of residents money was used for immigrants food or ESL teachers.  Now this was ten years ago but I’m fairly certain it’s still budgeted that way.  

My understanding is a lot of that money is for teacher training, certifications and PD, or after school programs and tutoring, things like that. Not staffing and salaries. 
I could be wrong, but that's how I always thought it worked with that. Food is paid for by a different budget, you are correct about that.

Either way, my point was there is a lot more money that goes into poorer communities than people realize. Those communities with a higher migrant population are often in the lower-income areas.

Schools with low-income families often don't charge for busses, will pay for fees associated with class, will provide students with electronic devices and computers and so many more things other schools don't need to even consider. Schools in upper middle class areas will charge for bussing, don't provide electronics because they can rely on families supplying them. Don't need to provide basic school supplies or personal sporting equipment. Leaves more money for building maintenance and updates. Money for sports and fields and club sponsorship. More money for more elective classes. Money for custodians and providing a cleaner school. And teacher salaries.
Those schools are often all around much better places to attend and work. When money from the budget is being used to provide bussing, class fees, student supplies, student devices, personal sporting equipment, there is no money left for custodians and teacher salaries. The school is outdated, not cleaned, offers fewer electives and honors classes.

That's exactly how 2 schools a few miles from each other can look completely different. Both get the same state and federal funding. One has to use more resources on the students, the other has more to use on the school as a whole. 

Looks like Title I funds are utilized differently state by state.  Would have thought federal $$ would have consistent rules around the country like abortion, oh never mind. 

https://www.nysed.gov/essa/title-i-part-allowable-and-unallowable-expenditures 

This is NY’s allowable Title I expenses. 

Mayor Adams has said that the state or city rather has received a fraction of the money promised for letting in the asylum seekers.

We should have a sponsoring system like they do in other countries.

I also think the government should start developing new cities.  I always wanted to do that.  Plan a brand new city/development.

I know its been done many times before. But I always wonder how do you convince 100,000 people, or however many it would take, to just up and move to an unestablished location?

They came here with literally nothing.  With no idea where they would end up.  I don't think they would care too much to be moved around as long as they were allowed to live their lives?

This is my thinking and I could be totally wrong.

So, reserve some land for immigrants where they can all go and live together. What should we call this reserved area? Reservation sounds like a good name. Nothing can go wrong with that.

All kidding aside, developing new cities requires more than a bunch of immigrants. The whole infrastructure, schools, public services and utilities all have to be set up. You can't expect a bunch of immigrants to just show up and do all that. Schools with a large immigrant population struggle enough, I can't imagine one that was designed solely for that.

mickeyrat said:

Ralphie May rest in peace buddy this was hilarious

  https://youtu.be/ye77HfHPCKs

Halifax2TheMax said:

Bentleyspop said:

Texas gonna texas...

https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/status/1681809171136626688?t=dVu_ldeuvIog_AJu4al2kQ&s=19

Sounds quite authoritarian. So much for liberty, eh? And how’s about that “independence?” Tejas, please Mexico, take it back, please?

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I was just in Manhattan for work at 46th and 5th ave.

This is where the most expensive commercial real-estate exists.

Upon looking around I had passed a block that was lined with scooters.  Something you normally see in less affluent areas. An unusual amount of Hispanic people.  NY is a melting pot and you have pockets of different ethnicities but not in the heart of Midtown.  

I asked the grounds operator about the seemingly large amount of Hispanics and he pointed to the hotel across the street.  It has become an asylum seeker house.

The state had obtained the rooms to help out the asylum seekers.

They have made a local hangout for themselves at one of the spots and the scooters I learned were delivery vehicles for some of them.

I don't see how that any of them upon being given asylum can maintain living out there.  Sometimes where we place people is absurd.

temporary by design, semi-permanent in practice.

but lets for a moment remove the who and replace with a generic marker of these human beings, aspiring americans. The degree of work and effort to make it here they will by and large put in is laudable, no? Dont we WANT those types of go-getters here to fuel the "American Dream" of freedom , to keep things moving right along?

I sometimes think most of the objections of those born here is centered on these hard working people making them look bad in their laziness by comparison.....

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Bentleyspop said:

Texas gonna texas...

https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/status/1681809171136626688?t=dVu_ldeuvIog_AJu4al2kQ&s=19

Sounds quite authoritarian. So much for liberty, eh? And how’s about that “independence?” Tejas, please Mexico, take it back, please?

It's like eminent domain which I am not a fan of either.

Eminent domain is a necessary evil though. So many freeways and other needed  infrastructure that benefits everyone wouldn’t exist without it.