MLB 2025 Off season

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madison bumgarner....what a precipitous fall.

I keep thinking of the playoff game when most pitcners would be taken out. But Bochy overextended him. It worked out. But maybe hurt him in the long run. 

Oh, hell no. Bum was a horse. Juan Marichal wasn’t hurt by throwing 227 pitches over 16 innings. Nolan Ryan wasn’t hurt by throwing 235.

Probably. Is he a HOF? 3 WS. That usually puts people over 

Not an HOF’er. Posey is a more likely candidate for me, but his career may be viewed as too short.

Again for Posey, 3 World Series rings helps plus a ROY and MVP. Especially if they're not going to vote in the surefire HOFs. It might be easier for him to get in

Posey is in.  Great catcher, great player in a tough position.

igotid88 said:

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tempo_n_groove said:

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Wobbie said:

madison bumgarner....what a precipitous fall.

I keep thinking of the playoff game when most pitcners would be taken out. But Bochy overextended him. It worked out. But maybe hurt him in the long run. 

Oh, hell no. Bum was a horse. Juan Marichal wasn’t hurt by throwing 227 pitches over 16 innings. Nolan Ryan wasn’t hurt by throwing 235.

Probably. Is he a HOF? 3 WS. That usually puts people over 

Not an HOF’er. Posey is a more likely candidate for me, but his career may be viewed as too short.

Again for Posey, 3 World Series rings helps plus a ROY and MVP. Especially if they're not going to vote in the surefire HOFs. It might be easier for him to get in

Posey is in.  Great catcher, great player in a tough position.

If he doesn't have the 3 World Series he doesn't get in though. 

tempo_n_groove said:

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Jearlpam0925 said:

Never really given those teams much thought, but just broadly thinking about it - for a team that won 3 titles in 5 seasons is there anyone on there that are no-dount hall of famers? I guess Posey, maybe, sorta? Outside of that, they're probably the most bizarre "dynasty" I can think of. Each roster seems completely unrelated to the other two that won. 

Other notables were Lincecum, Madbaum, Zito, Nady and Pablo Sandoval?  Fan favorite Hunter Pence too but nobody that is a sure fire HOFer.

tempo_n_groove said:

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Jearlpam0925 said:

Never really given those teams much thought, but just broadly thinking about it - for a team that won 3 titles in 5 seasons is there anyone on there that are no-dount hall of famers? I guess Posey, maybe, sorta? Outside of that, they're probably the most bizarre "dynasty" I can think of. Each roster seems completely unrelated to the other two that won. 

Other notables were Lincecum, Madbaum, Zito, Nady and Pablo Sandoval?  Fan favorite Hunter Pence too but nobody that is a sure fire HOFer.

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Jearlpam0925 said:

Xavier Nady stunk, a completely replaceable player; certainly barely a piece for the Giants that I wouldn't think of him when I thought 'GIants championship players'. He was a journeyman, borderline AAAA guy. Definitely not a comparable guy to Hunter Pence.

Nady didn't play in the WS. They're not that much different him and Pence. Nady was just injured a lot.

igotid88 said:

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Jearlpam0925 said:

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Jearlpam0925 said:

Xavier Nady stunk, a completely replaceable player; certainly barely a piece for the Giants that I wouldn't think of him when I thought 'GIants championship players'. He was a journeyman, borderline AAAA guy. Definitely not a comparable guy to Hunter Pence.

Nady didn't play in the WS. They're not that much different him and Pence. Nady was just injured a lot.

Wait what - you're saying they're similar? I'd like to know how.

Stats wise. They were both decent players. Only problem is Nady had injuries. Also Hunter had double the plate appearances. Pence might be better overall. But it not by a lot

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igotid88 said:

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Jearlpam0925 said:

Xavier Nady stunk, a completely replaceable player; certainly barely a piece for the Giants that I wouldn't think of him when I thought 'GIants championship players'. He was a journeyman, borderline AAAA guy. Definitely not a comparable guy to Hunter Pence.

Nady didn't play in the WS. They're not that much different him and Pence. Nady was just injured a lot.

Wait what - you're saying they're similar? I'd like to know how.

Stats wise. They were both decent players. Only problem is Nady had injuries. Also Hunter had double the plate appearances. Pence might be better overall. But it not by a lot

How does Don Mattingly fit into all this?

tempo_n_groove said:

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Jearlpam0925 said:

Never really given those teams much thought, but just broadly thinking about it - for a team that won 3 titles in 5 seasons is there anyone on there that are no-dount hall of famers? I guess Posey, maybe, sorta? Outside of that, they're probably the most bizarre "dynasty" I can think of. Each roster seems completely unrelated to the other two that won. 

Other notables were Lincecum, Madbaum, Zito, Nady and Pablo Sandoval?  Fan favorite Hunter Pence too but nobody that is a sure fire HOFer.

nady?

you know I love my giants but Posey is the only possible HOFer…different guys stepped up in each of the title years….3 different closers…journeymen like cody ross, marco scutaro, aubrey (asshat) huff, hunter pence, michael morse, andres torres, freddy sanchez, etc. came up big….GW pitchers changed from year to year (cain, lincecum, madbum, voglesong)….jeremy affeldt was huge….crawford, panda, belt and posey were together for most of it.

it flies in the face of the superteam mentality.

Xavier Nady was a highly touted Draft Pick that was good enough to be in the league for a while like Pence , but never great.