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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    edited April 2023
    JojoRice said:
    Today marks the 30th anniversary of the Siege at Waco. 
    The Netflix doc was heavy. 

    The FBI f'ed that up something fierce. 
  • JojoRice
    JojoRice Kennesaw, GA Posts: 4,554
    Merkin Baller said:
    JojoRice said:
    Today marks the 30th anniversary of the Siege at Waco. 
    The Netflix doc was heavy. 

    The FBI f'ed that up something fierce. 
    Definitely. It never should have went down the way that it did. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,715
    Some people are just looking for an excuse.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Merkin Baller said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    OnWis97 said:
    The Missouri guy is getting off. It’s a stand your ground state.  The New York guy might actually pay for what he did.
    If you’re referencing the woman in the wrong driveway, that was Washington State I believe. 

    These stand your ground laws are f’ing crazy & only going to result in more senseless deaths. 
    https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kaylin-gillis-new-york-killed-wrong-address-kevin-monahan/

    So both shooters were old white guys. Many such people have been told for decades that there’s danger at every turn.  We’re being conditioned for this. I’m certainly going to do what I can to not turn around in driveways or knock on doors of people I don’t know.
    Avoiding driveways & doorbells is probably the best course of action. 
    Also movie theaters 
    & schools
    & super markets
    & synagogues
    & churches
    & night clubs
    & nail salons 
    & shopping malls
    & music festivals 
    & birthday parties 
    & 4th of July parades
    &… 
    Add mistaking someone else’s car for your own to the list: 

    https://abc13.com/woodlands-elite-cheerleaders-shot-shooting-at-heb-in-elgin-texas-payton-washington-pedro-tello-rodriguez-jr-arrested/13150502/


    Yay Tejas, where everyone is a perceived threat and you need to be armed.
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  • The Juggler
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    Apologies if this has been posted already. Shocking news---these stand your ground laws do not work. 

    Rest of the world continues to laugh at us. 

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/18/stand-your-ground-laws-us-deaths-racist-violence

    ‘Stand your ground’: the US laws linked to rising deaths and racist violence


    An analysis last year found “stand your ground” laws were linked to an 8% to 11% increase in homicide rates, or roughly 700 additional deaths each year. Florida’s “stand your ground” law has increased both justifiable and unlawful killings, with one study finding a 32% increase in firearm homicide rates; and another analysis showed that in 79% of cases, the assailant could have retreated to avoid confrontation. And research on “stand your ground” laws has found huge racial disparities, with white Americans much more likely to find success with self-defense claims, particularly when they kill Black people.


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  • OnWis97
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    https://www.qcnews.com/news/u-s/north-carolina/gaston-county/police-search-for-suspect-after-gastonia-double-shooting/

    The recent trend of getting shot for benign contact with property continues. This time a six-year-old girl shot because her ball rolled into the neighbor's yard.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    OnWis97 said:
    https://www.qcnews.com/news/u-s/north-carolina/gaston-county/police-search-for-suspect-after-gastonia-double-shooting/

    The recent trend of getting shot for benign contact with property continues. This time a six-year-old girl shot because her ball rolled into the neighbor's yard.
    She should have been armed and had her playmate armed and backing her up as they deployed a defensive maneuver utilizing cover to retrieve the ball, duh. Where’s the NRA when you need them?
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,995
    so you can use deadly force because a ball is in your yard.

    who knew?

    good thing i had cool neighbors when i was a kid. i hit countless balls and hockey pucks over that fence. didn't realize i risked my life 5000 times by hopping over the fence to retrieve my stuff.
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  • Merkin Baller
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    The Juggler said:
    Apologies if this has been posted already. Shocking news---these stand your ground laws do not work. 

    Rest of the world continues to laugh at us. 

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/18/stand-your-ground-laws-us-deaths-racist-violence

    ‘Stand your ground’: the US laws linked to rising deaths and racist violence


    An analysis last year found “stand your ground” laws were linked to an 8% to 11% increase in homicide rates, or roughly 700 additional deaths each year. Florida’s “stand your ground” law has increased both justifiable and unlawful killings, with one study finding a 32% increase in firearm homicide rates; and another analysis showed that in 79% of cases, the assailant could have retreated to avoid confrontation. And research on “stand your ground” laws has found huge racial disparities, with white Americans much more likely to find success with self-defense claims, particularly when they kill Black people.


    I think they work exactly as intended. They give “law abiding” gun owners cover to kill people. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,314
    30 fucking years ago. 30 fucking years and nothing has changed except the dead and injured count and the frequency with which it happens. Every “responsible” gun owner should be ashamed. 30 fucking years. Gift article.

    https://wapo.st/41pE6tq

    Spoiler alert, the kid who hosted the exchange student victim committed suicide at age 46.
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  • josevolution
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    mickeyrat said:

    🤣😂😂 Oklahoma checked to my growing list of places I’ll never set foot in! 
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  • The Juggler
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    edited April 2023
    ^
    Jesus. Would not this be the very definition of "grooming?" A Junior 15 rifle. Holy fucking shit. 



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  • josevolution
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    The Juggler said:
    ^
    Jesus. Would not this be the very definition of "grooming?" A Junior 15 rifle. Holy fucking shit. 



    Yep and when the kid looses a school yard game or neighborhood game he’ll just go home grab junior and show the other kids his little friend! This country is doomed 
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  • mickeyrat
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    josevolution said:
    The Juggler said:
    ^
    Jesus. Would not this be the very definition of "grooming?" A Junior 15 rifle. Holy fucking shit. 



    Yep and when the kid looses a school yard game or neighborhood game he’ll just go home grab junior and show the other kids his little friend! This country is doomed 

    cue the "stand your playground" laws.....
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  • Merkin Baller
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    The Juggler said:
    ^
    Jesus. Would not this be the very definition of "grooming?" A Junior 15 rifle. Holy fucking shit. 



    Exactly as the founding fathers intended. 
  • JimFletcherPearlJam
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    Where's Dexter when you need him? 
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