2025/2026 NBA Season October 22nd Opening Tip off! Pg 185

Draymond gonna Draymond 

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Rodman scored like 4 points a game and was a defensive genius and helped win games.

Wallace scored like 6 and helped win games.  I know there are more players but if n you don’t think defense helps win games or is just dismissed for a 6th man then we are just wat off on what and how we see the game.

Comparing what Rodman and Ben Wallace brought to Caruso is laughable. Defense definitely is important (though a bit less so in this era than previous eras), but not what Caruso brings.

Rodman led the league in rebounding 7 straight seasons (and averaged 7.3PPG for his career, not 4, more than Caruso)
Wallace had 7 straight years of double digit rebounding including leading he league twice in his prime, and average d over 3 blocks in 3 straight of those seasons.

Caruso's career avg is 6.0 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 2.7 APG.
The only category he performs above average in (most are waaaaay below average) is steals with 1.2 SPG. His stellar defense looked great Friday, fouling out.

He should be no higher than the 8th option on a playoff team, yet he's starting for the Bulls who (checks notes) are hitting the golf course today.

I knew I'd get this from you even though he will be all NBA defense 1st team?  Got it.

He will not be first team. Got it?
He will be 2nd or 3rd.

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Rodman scored like 4 points a game and was a defensive genius and helped win games.

Wallace scored like 6 and helped win games.  I know there are more players but if n you don’t think defense helps win games or is just dismissed for a 6th man then we are just wat off on what and how we see the game.

Comparing what Rodman and Ben Wallace brought to Caruso is laughable. Defense definitely is important (though a bit less so in this era than previous eras), but not what Caruso brings.

Rodman led the league in rebounding 7 straight seasons (and averaged 7.3PPG for his career, not 4, more than Caruso)
Wallace had 7 straight years of double digit rebounding including leading he league twice in his prime, and average d over 3 blocks in 3 straight of those seasons.

Caruso's career avg is 6.0 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 2.7 APG.
The only category he performs above average in (most are waaaaay below average) is steals with 1.2 SPG. His stellar defense looked great Friday, fouling out.

He should be no higher than the 8th option on a playoff team, yet he's starting for the Bulls who (checks notes) are hitting the golf course today.

I knew I'd get this from you even though he will be all NBA defense 1st team?  Got it.

He will not be first team. Got it?
He will be 2nd or 3rd.

OK so 2nd then.  That's still not bad, got it?

Never said he was a bad defender.
He's just not as vital a piece as you make him out to be. He's a guy who should be the 7th or 8th rotational player on a playoff team.

Lakers are suddenly doing just fine...why? Because they finally rectified the glaring mistake that GM LeBron James made 2 years ago, thinking Westbrook was the answer. The Lakers weren't missing Caruso last year, they were suffering from the most ridiculous roster construction imaginable. Everyone could see it (except for LeBron who vetoed the trade for Hield and Haliburton and forced Pelinka to trade for Westbrook). They were a team needing shooters around AD and James and passed on a great shooter like Hield for the league's worst outside shooting guard. Now they have Russell and are playing to their potential (2nd round elimination).

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Rodman scored like 4 points a game and was a defensive genius and helped win games.

Wallace scored like 6 and helped win games.  I know there are more players but if n you don’t think defense helps win games or is just dismissed for a 6th man then we are just wat off on what and how we see the game.

Comparing what Rodman and Ben Wallace brought to Caruso is laughable. Defense definitely is important (though a bit less so in this era than previous eras), but not what Caruso brings.

Rodman led the league in rebounding 7 straight seasons (and averaged 7.3PPG for his career, not 4, more than Caruso)
Wallace had 7 straight years of double digit rebounding including leading he league twice in his prime, and average d over 3 blocks in 3 straight of those seasons.

Caruso's career avg is 6.0 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 2.7 APG.
The only category he performs above average in (most are waaaaay below average) is steals with 1.2 SPG. His stellar defense looked great Friday, fouling out.

He should be no higher than the 8th option on a playoff team, yet he's starting for the Bulls who (checks notes) are hitting the golf course today.

I knew I'd get this from you even though he will be all NBA defense 1st team?  Got it.

He will not be first team. Got it?
He will be 2nd or 3rd.

OK so 2nd then.  That's still not bad, got it?

Never said he was a bad defender.
He's just not as vital a piece as you make him out to be. He's a guy who should be the 7th or 8th rotational player on a playoff team.

Lakers are suddenly doing just fine...why? Because they finally rectified the glaring mistake that GM LeBron James made 2 years ago, thinking Westbrook was the answer. The Lakers weren't missing Caruso last year, they were suffering from the most ridiculous roster construction imaginable. Everyone could see it (except for LeBron who vetoed the trade for Hield and Haliburton and forced Pelinka to trade for Westbrook). They were a team needing shooters around AD and James and passed on a great shooter like Hield for the league's worst outside shooting guard. Now they have Russell and are playing to their potential (2nd round elimination).

We both know LBJ is his own worst enemy when it comes to recruiting players.  I don't know what he sees sometimes?

I don't know either. It's mind boggling that a guy with that high a basketball IQ can't envision what pieces make the most sense.

eeriepadave said:

I hope Sacramento beat the Warriors.

Light the beam! Had anyone heard of this "tradition" before the playoffs even started though? 

Those of us who watch more than just the sixers had.

I hope the warriors can add to the draymond “legacy” by losing game 3.

Poncier said:

Jumb0 said:

Draymond gonna Draymond 

He's an idiot, but Sabonis set it off by grabbing his leg and then plays all innocent.
Both should be suspended for game 3.

Agree he's an idiot. Agree Sabonis set it off. 
I would've been ok without Draymond being suspended but no way Sabonis should have been.