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I think I posted a different link yesterday, but this was the first one.Halifax2TheMax said:Link, please?
I didn't think Stormy trying to sell her story was in debate? I thought it was common knowledge she took it to the National Enquirer, who then warned trump.
https://www.axios.com/2023/03/18/trump-stormy-daniels-payment-probe
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mace1229 said:It actually matters because I keep hearing it was only illegal because it was for political gain. And proof it was for political gain was because Trump waiting until a couple weeks before the election to buy her out.
Its just funny because there are some holes in this case. I've seen dozens of posts of people pointing to the timing or other issues and every time I point one out the response is so what?
The fact if it was illegal or not should matter. The whole argument that this is different that Edwards was the timing made it more political. So it does matter.illegal or not shouldnt matter? wtf are you talking about. he broke the law surrounding an otherwise legal payment BUT FOR he paid to keep it quiet a few weeks before the election. FALSIFIED RECORDS TO COVER UP THOSE THE REPAYMENT.He isnt charged for the payment. as always with shit like this , its the cover up. what is so hard to understand about that? and its not just her, it is mcdougal and a payment to a doorman that was hidden the same way.His agent in the matter went to prison for his part in this as well.
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You claimed “versions,” like there’s multiple sources of information all saying the same thing. You’ve linked to one article or source. Why don’t you cut and paste the direct source of your information that backs your claim? You didn’t post a link yesterday, unless I missed it, and your link here is just a timeline of events. It doesn’t help your speculation.mace1229 said:I think I posted a different link yesterday, but this was the first one.
I didn't think Stormy trying to sell her story was in debate? I thought it was common knowledge she took it to the National Enquirer, who then warned trump.
https://www.axios.com/2023/03/18/trump-stormy-daniels-payment-probe
Regardless, it’s the manner by which POOTWH knew and kept his business records in NYS. Not that he paid “hush money.” The absence of a retainer makes the claim of “legal fees” as a “business expense”, even “hush money” problematic. You want to bet POOTWH also claimed those “business expenses” as tax deductions? Of which he’s not currently being charged?Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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read it again, mick.mickeyrat said:illegal or not shouldnt matter? wtf are you talking about. he broke the law surrounding an otherwise legal payment BUT FOR he paid to keep it quiet a few weeks before the election. FALSIFIED RECORDS TO COVER UP THOSE THE REPAYMENT.He isnt charged for the payment. as always with shit like this , its the cover up. what is so hard to understand about that? and its not just her, it is mcdougal and a payment to a doorman that was hidden the same way.His agent in the matter went to prison for his part in this as well.
sso is your contention cohen is solely culpable in this? and further that Bragg is incompetent? being so expert on ny business law.....Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
This is another example of what H2H asked for, the timing is what keeps getting brought up. He had been threatening her for 5 years to keep quiet, so this just didn't come out of thin air 2 weeks before the election. But that is when the National Enquirer got a hold of it. it was going on for 5 years before the election, not 2 weeks that a lot of people keep repeating.mickeyrat said:illegal or not shouldnt matter? wtf are you talking about. he broke the law surrounding an otherwise legal payment BUT FOR he paid to keep it quiet a few weeks before the election. FALSIFIED RECORDS TO COVER UP THOSE THE REPAYMENT.He isnt charged for the payment. as always with shit like this , its the cover up. what is so hard to understand about that? and its not just her, it is mcdougal and a payment to a doorman that was hidden the same way.His agent in the matter went to prison for his part in this as well.
sso is your contention cohen is solely culpable in this? and further that Bragg is incompetent? being so expert on ny business law.....
And, again, it is important because how do you prove it was for political gain when he's been threatening her for 5 years before the election?
He falsified records, no doubt about that. The back story behind it is the difference between an $8,000 fine or 34 felonies though.
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Was Hillary charged in NYS court with violations of NYS law?mace1229 said:This is another example of what H2H asked for, the timing is what keeps getting brought up. He had been threatening her for 5 years to keep quiet, so this just didn't come out of thin air 2 weeks before the election. But that is when the National Enquirer got a hold of it. it was going on for 5 years before the election, not 2 weeks that a lot of people keep repeating.
And, again, it is important because how do you prove it was for political gain when he's been threatening her for 5 years before the election?
He falsified records, no doubt about that. The back story behind it is the difference between an $8,000 fine or 34 felonies though.
Was John Edwards charged in NYS court with violations of NYS law?
Those, I believe, were FEC violations and charged in federal courts. No bearing other than being similar. And to Micky’s point, was Cohen falsely accused and convicted for an illegal campaign contribution, then? To which he was “directed” to do so knowingly by “subject 1?” Directed by his client in the absence of a retainer?
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For Trump to be facing felony charges the prosecution has to prove 2 things. This was for political gain and was a political contribution. The mislabeling of funds is minor in comparison, usually just a fine. What he is being charged with is falsifying those records with intent to cover up another crime.Halifax2TheMax said:Was Hillary charged in NYS court with violations of NYS law?
Was John Edwards charged in NYS court with violations of NYS law?
Those, I believe, were FEC violations and charged in federal courts. No bearing other than being similar. And to Micky’s point, was Cohen falsely accused and convicted for an illegal campaign contribution, then? To which he was “directed” to do so knowingly by “subject 1?” Directed by his client in the absence of a retainer?
I look forward to reading the court transcripts and hearing the jury’s verdict. Think copping a plea is in the future?
I haven't seen a real response why I am wrong. Which is why it is difficult to think many here are taking it seriously, they just want to see him locked up. If I am incorrect, then please explain.
It matters where the money came from because if it came from trump, then there is no campaign donation violation, and therefore no coverup of an illegal donation.
If it was to protect him and his family, then it isn't a campaign matter either, just like In the case with Edwards.
So how does the state prove this was a donation when Trump reimbursed Cohen? How do you prove it was for political gain when they had been threatening her to keep silent for 5 years?
the burden of proof is on the state, not on trump to prove his innocence.
Without proving those things, its a record keeping infraction, similar to what Hilary was fined $8000 for when she disguised the dossier financing payments as legal fees. One they are probably all aware of and happy to pay a fine to keep the real spending hidden.0 -
I suggest you read this excellent summary from The Bulwark. It discusses the conspiracy between Pecker, Cohen and Trump that occurred a month before the election, mostly due to the Access Hollywood tape. The combination of that tape with the McDougal, door man and Daniels issue is what led to the crimes. FTR, the Bulwark is a conservative publication, although constructed of true "never Trump" conservatives.mace1229 said:This is another example of what H2H asked for, the timing is what keeps getting brought up. He had been threatening her for 5 years to keep quiet, so this just didn't come out of thin air 2 weeks before the election. But that is when the National Enquirer got a hold of it. it was going on for 5 years before the election, not 2 weeks that a lot of people keep repeating.
And, again, it is important because how do you prove it was for political gain when he's been threatening her for 5 years before the election?
He falsified records, no doubt about that. The back story behind it is the difference between an $8,000 fine or 34 felonies though.
https://www.thebulwark.com/sorry-doubters-but-bragg-was-right-to-indict-trump/
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2025I just don’t see why Bragg would of committed himself to bring charges without being sure a trial in the end would bring back a guilty verdict! He’s got too much to lose compared to Trumpolinni even with a guilty verdict won’t result in any jail time! The one putting his career on the line is Bragg not Trumpolinnijesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Thanks for sharing that. I agree with most of this article, except for really just 1 paragraph.mrussel1 said:I suggest you read this excellent summary from The Bulwark. It discusses the conspiracy between Pecker, Cohen and Trump that occurred a month before the election, mostly due to the Access Hollywood tape. The combination of that tape with the McDougal, door man and Daniels issue is what led to the crimes. FTR, the Bulwark is a conservative publication, although constructed of true "never Trump" conservatives.
https://www.thebulwark.com/sorry-doubters-but-bragg-was-right-to-indict-trump/
"The argument that a New York state prosecution can’t use a violation of federal campaign law to enhance a misdemeanor to a felony doesn’t make much sense. The applicable statute just talks about concealing or assisting in the commission of a “crime.” No court has ever ruled that the broad word “crime” should be construed narrowly to mean only “a violation of New York State law,” and there’s no reason it should. Bragg is not trying to charge Trump with violation of federal election laws, just to show that Trump’s falsification of business records was intended to cover one up. And even in the unlikely event that a court might rule that a federal crime can’t be used to elevate a misdemeanor to a felony, the phony tax returns are violations of state law and should on their own be sufficient to earn Trump a criminal conviction, if the prosecutor makes his case effectively."
Not that I don't agree with the federal and state crime part.
My whole point was what election laws were broken, and how do you prove that? My understanding were the election laws that were allegedly broken were from Cohen paying Stormy. His payments were considered donations because they helped the campaign and were larger than the legal limit.
But Trump paid him back more than double, so is that still a donation? If I were an impartial juror, I'd probably say no.
So what about the tax fraud then? I see a couple ways out of this one. One being Trump just claims he's not responsible for how Cohen files his taxes and claims they never discussed it. Going to be hard to take the word of someone who got a great plea deal to prove that case.
And if you think that's a strong enough case, what do you feel about Hilary? She did the same thing at the same time. She paid an attorney to do some dirty work and recorded it as legal expenses for the purposes of hiding it during the campaign. If her attorney claimed it as income like Cohen did, how do you charge Trump and not her?
I'm not trying to be a both sides right now. But if you want Trump prosecuted as a felon and not Hilary, and the tax fraud is your angle, how is this not biased? She got fined $8000 and trump got 34 felony charges for literally the exact same thing. She was even living in New York at the time too, right?
I'm not saying lock Hilary up. I'm just saying I don't think the tax fraud angle has much weight. If it does, she probably needs to be talking to her attorney.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
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Hillary?! lol
And regarding the timing issue that keeps coming up, the article explains that neatly as well:Not because Trump supposedly made the catch-and-kill hush money payments merely to avoid embarrassment and trouble at home, a line of defense floated last week by one of Trump’s attorneys, Joseph Tacopina. Tacopina argues that there was no violation of campaign finance laws because Trump would have made the payments regardless of the campaign in order to keep the information from getting to his wife and family.
But if Bragg can prove even a fraction of what he alleges in the statement of facts, the “it had nothing to do with the campaign” defense won’t get off the ground. The statement alleges, for instance, that the August 2015 meeting was specifically about helping Trump’s campaign; that Pecker agreed to not just catch and kill bad stories about Trump but also to publish hit pieces about his rivals for the nomination; that Trump instructed Pecker not to release anybody from the agreements until after the election; that Trump tried to delay the payment to Daniels until after the election in the hope that he might not have to pay her at all; and that AMI promptly released both the doorman and Karen McDougal from their agreements to remain silent shortly after the election. Taken together, this screams that the hush money payments were specifically designed to help Trump’s campaign.
It is probably true that if you or I had been caught committing Trump’s crimes, things would have played out differently. But the case wouldn’t have just gone away. Instead, we would probably have entered a plea agreement, perhaps pleading guilty to some but not all of the counts, perhaps admitting only the misdemeanor offenses but not the felonies, and likely accepting a fine and a reduced or suspended sentence.
There’s no plea deal here. But that’s on Trump, not Bragg. Trump never admits guilt for anything.
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Instead of just a lol, I would be interested on what you think the difference is.The Juggler said:^
Hillary?! lol
And regarding the timing issue that keeps coming up, the article explains that neatly as well:Not because Trump supposedly made the catch-and-kill hush money payments merely to avoid embarrassment and trouble at home, a line of defense floated last week by one of Trump’s attorneys, Joseph Tacopina. Tacopina argues that there was no violation of campaign finance laws because Trump would have made the payments regardless of the campaign in order to keep the information from getting to his wife and family.
But if Bragg can prove even a fraction of what he alleges in the statement of facts, the “it had nothing to do with the campaign” defense won’t get off the ground. The statement alleges, for instance, that the August 2015 meeting was specifically about helping Trump’s campaign; that Pecker agreed to not just catch and kill bad stories about Trump but also to publish hit pieces about his rivals for the nomination; that Trump instructed Pecker not to release anybody from the agreements until after the election; that Trump tried to delay the payment to Daniels until after the election in the hope that he might not have to pay her at all; and that AMI promptly released both the doorman and Karen McDougal from their agreements to remain silent shortly after the election. Taken together, this screams that the hush money payments were specifically designed to help Trump’s campaign.
It is probably true that if you or I had been caught committing Trump’s crimes, things would have played out differently. But the case wouldn’t have just gone away. Instead, we would probably have entered a plea agreement, perhaps pleading guilty to some but not all of the counts, perhaps admitting only the misdemeanor offenses but not the felonies, and likely accepting a fine and a reduced or suspended sentence.
There’s no plea deal here. But that’s on Trump, not Bragg. Trump never admits guilt for anything.
If Trump is facing 34 felony charges because he paid an attorney to do his dirty work, and that attorney then claimed it as income on his taxes which makes it tax fraud and therefore Trump involved in the cover up.
Hilary mislabeled multiple payments to her attorney, which were actually used to fund the research of the Dossier. She didn't want the public to know she was funding it, so they paid the attorney who then paid the Dossier people. This all happened at the exact same time Trump was paying off Stormy.
How is that different? How is one tax fraud and the other not?
Its not. If its not a felony when Hilary does it. Why is it a felony when trump does it?
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Are you just playing devils advocate with the Hillary whataboutism? Because it’s not the same thing.mace1229 said:Thanks for sharing that. I agree with most of this article, except for really just 1 paragraph.
"The argument that a New York state prosecution can’t use a violation of federal campaign law to enhance a misdemeanor to a felony doesn’t make much sense. The applicable statute just talks about concealing or assisting in the commission of a “crime.” No court has ever ruled that the broad word “crime” should be construed narrowly to mean only “a violation of New York State law,” and there’s no reason it should. Bragg is not trying to charge Trump with violation of federal election laws, just to show that Trump’s falsification of business records was intended to cover one up. And even in the unlikely event that a court might rule that a federal crime can’t be used to elevate a misdemeanor to a felony, the phony tax returns are violations of state law and should on their own be sufficient to earn Trump a criminal conviction, if the prosecutor makes his case effectively."
Not that I don't agree with the federal and state crime part.
My whole point was what election laws were broken, and how do you prove that? My understanding were the election laws that were allegedly broken were from Cohen paying Stormy. His payments were considered donations because they helped the campaign and were larger than the legal limit.
But Trump paid him back more than double, so is that still a donation? If I were an impartial juror, I'd probably say no.
So what about the tax fraud then? I see a couple ways out of this one. One being Trump just claims he's not responsible for how Cohen files his taxes and claims they never discussed it. Going to be hard to take the word of someone who got a great plea deal to prove that case.
And if you think that's a strong enough case, what do you feel about Hilary? She did the same thing at the same time. She paid an attorney to do some dirty work and recorded it as legal expenses for the purposes of hiding it during the campaign. If her attorney claimed it as income like Cohen did, how do you charge Trump and not her?
I'm not trying to be a both sides right now. But if you want Trump prosecuted as a felon and not Hilary, and the tax fraud is your angle, how is this not biased? She got fined $8000 and trump got 34 felony charges for literally the exact same thing. She was even living in New York at the time too, right?
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POOTWH still denies the affair. Why would POOTWH pay "hush money" to cover up an affair that he still doesn't, to this day, acknowledge? And how does his defense enter into testimony POOTWH's explanation of his motivation of why he wrote checks to Cohen, from the oval office and for twice the amount of what Cohen paid Stormy Weather, if he pleads the 5th or refuses to testify? It can't be both sides of the argument. It has to be a defense of one or the other. So, which is it?mace1229 said:For Trump to be facing felony charges the prosecution has to prove 2 things. This was for political gain and was a political contribution. The mislabeling of funds is minor in comparison, usually just a fine. What he is being charged with is falsifying those records with intent to cover up another crime.
I haven't seen a real response why I am wrong. Which is why it is difficult to think many here are taking it seriously, they just want to see him locked up. If I am incorrect, then please explain.
It matters where the money came from because if it came from trump, then there is no campaign donation violation, and therefore no coverup of an illegal donation.
If it was to protect him and his family, then it isn't a campaign matter either, just like In the case with Edwards.
So how does the state prove this was a donation when Trump reimbursed Cohen? How do you prove it was for political gain when they had been threatening her to keep silent for 5 years?
the burden of proof is on the state, not on trump to prove his innocence.
Without proving those things, its a record keeping infraction, similar to what Hilary was fined $8000 for when she disguised the dossier financing payments as legal fees. One they are probably all aware of and happy to pay a fine to keep the real spending hidden.
To the first bold: You honestly don't believe that Bragg about taking POOTWH down can't convince a jury that this was "for political gain?" What was it for? He still denies it. Cohen was convicted for it and "directed" by Subject #1 to pay her. Why would POOTWH reimburse his non-retained attorney twice the amount of said attorney's payment to Stormy Weather, if the affair "never happened" and if not for "political gain?" Goods and services, the value thereof, and money donations are considered "political contributions." What value would you put on Stormy Weather's silence in October 2016, in the heat of a presidential campaign? As a juror? Bragg about bringing POOTWH down has documents, witnesses and statutory law with precedent on his side, even if the federal campaign finance violation underpins the 34 misdemeanors and is a unique, untested legal strategy. POOTWH, the "victim" has some explaining to do before the jury. In the absence of that, what does its defense become?
From WaPo:Donald Trump has asked for a four-week delay of a civil trial involving an allegation of rape by author E. Jean Carroll, claiming a “cooling off” period is needed after the former president’s recent indictment and arraignment in Manhattan in a criminal case involving hush money payments to an adult-film star to silence her about an alleged affair.
In a letter late Tuesday to the judge presiding over the Carroll trial, scheduled to start April 25, lawyers for Trump argued the postponement is needed because of the “deluge” of publicity and “prejudicial media coverage concerning [Trump’s] unprecedented indictment and arraignment.”
“Holding the trial of this case a mere three weeks after these historic events will guarantee that many, if not most, prospective jurors will have the criminal allegations top of mind when judging” Trump’s defense against Carroll, says the letter from lawyers Joe Tacopina and Alina Habba to District Judge Lewis A. Kaplan.
Trump, who has denied the accusations in both cases, has frequently employed delay tactics in litigation, including earlier in the Carroll case.
In the letter, Trump’s lawyers conceded that he is “a persistent subject of media coverage” but argue the current situation is “unique.”
And my favorite part and of which has no bearing on the falsification of business records case:
Carroll is among more than a dozen women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct over the years.
In denying the allegations by Carroll, Trump said she was “not my type.” However, in a deposition at Mar-a-Lago last year, Trump mistook Carroll for his ex-wife Marla Maples when shown a photograph from the 1990s, potentially undermining one of the common defenses he has used to deny an attack.
“That’s Marla, yeah. That’s my wife,” Trump said under examination from Carroll’s lawyer Roberta Kaplan, in a selection of excerpts from the deposition that were unsealed in January.
You can pretend to know what motivated Stormy Weather but I'm betting she's going to take the stand. You can also pretend to know what motivated POOTWH to pay Cohen twice what Cohen paid Stormy Weather but I'm betting POOTWH refuses to take the stand. As a juror, and despite the judge's directions to the contrary, that's damning, particularly in light of the documentary evidence that will be presented and witness testimony to be heard, under oath.
Trump seeks ‘cooling off’ delay in case involving rape claim - The Washington Post
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Basically.Go Beavers said:Are you just playing devils advocate with the Hillary whataboutism? Because it’s not the same thing.
But I don't see how you can think one is a felony and the other is not. Both made payments to an attorney to hide what the payment was really for during the 2016 campaign.
Trump paid his attorney to pay off Stormy.
Hilary paid her attorney so he could fund the dossier research.
Both in and of itself are not illegal. They both purposefully misreported it to hide what the funds were for from the voters during the 2016 campaign. One got fined $8000, the other is facing 34 felony charges and potential tax fraud because the attorney he paid claimed it as income and deducted it as legal fees (as I'm sure Hilary's attorney did too, but that is just an assumption-i don't know that for fact).
I just don't see how you can think 34 felony charges is just for one, and a small fine fair for the other. Both hid a transaction by fraudulently reporting payments to an attorney and hid the details during a campaign.
I don't think Hilary deserved to be charged as much as I am beginning to think this is an overreach with Trump.
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POOTWH is not charged with tax fraud. Yet.mace1229 said:Instead of just a lol, I would be interested on what you think the difference is.
If Trump is facing 34 felony charges because he paid an attorney to do his dirty work, and that attorney then claimed it as income on his taxes which makes it tax fraud and therefore Trump involved in the cover up.
Hilary mislabeled multiple payments to her attorney, which were actually used to fund the research of the Dossier. She didn't want the public to know she was funding it, so they paid the attorney who then paid the Dossier people. This all happened at the exact same time Trump was paying off Stormy.
How is that different? How is one tax fraud and the other not?
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