---President Elect Musk and Convicted Felon Donald J Trump---

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,119
    2023
    Queue the second warrant. Hey, happens all the time. I look forward to its day in court. You know, to clear up the misunderstanding.

    The application for court approval for that search said agents were pursuing evidence of violations of statutes including 18 U.S.C. 1519, which makes it a crime to alter, destroy, mutilate or conceal a document or tangible object “with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency.”

    A key element in most obstruction cases is intent, because to bring such a charge, prosecutors have to be able to show that whatever actions were taken were performed to try to hinder or block an investigation. In the Trump case, prosecutors and federal agents are trying to gather any evidence pointing to the motivation for Trump’s actions.

    The Washington Post reported in October that Trump’s valet, Walt Nauta, had told investigators that he moved boxes at Mar-a-Lago at the former president’s instruction after the subpoena was issued. Smith’s team has video surveillance footage corroborating that account, The Post reported, and considers the evidence significant.

    In addition, the people familiar with the investigation said, authorities have another category of evidence that they consider particularly helpful as they reconstruct events from last spring: emails and texts of Molly Michael, an assistant to the former president who followed him from the White House to Florida before she eventually left that job last year. Michael’s written communications have provided investigators with a detailed understanding of the day-to-day activity at Mar-a-Lago at critical moments, these people said.




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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,769

    “It’s All About Trump’s Election Criminality

    The details of the various investigations are complicated, but the thread connecting them is easy to understand

    You don’t have to closely track the minutiae of the legal developments in each of the investigations to understand what it’s all about. It’s okay if they blur together in your mind. In fact, that might be helpful in seeing the big picture, the unprecedented nature of the threat Trump poses.

    See, at the broadest level, the Manhattan district attorney’s indictment of Trump regards the same subject as the ongoing investigation by the Fulton County district attorney in Georgia and one of the investigations now being led by the special counsel in the Department of Justice. In fact, the case even strikes the same theme as the Mueller investigation and both of Trump’s impeachments.

    What would that be? Election criminality. That’s the throughline of most of Trump’s corruption since 2016. He covered up hush money to his mistresses, made overtures to Russia “if you’re listening,” held up funding for Ukraine, put the squeeze on Georgia election officials to “find the votes,” and incited the January 6th insurrection all in pursuit of the same goal: to win presidential elections—and then, when he lost in 2020, to overturn the results…”

  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,853
    My guess: guilty with a suspended sentence. No judge is putting a former prez in pridon. 
    maybe not in this case.

    georgia and the documents case, though. just watch.
    Pence testifying in front of Grand Jury in the J6 probe too. Trump has to be scared shitless with all of this stuff going on
    Why would he be scared, seriously? The guy has never been held accountable for a thing in his life. I’m guessing he views this the same way. 
    Because he's never been arrested and criminally indicted before this week. He will likely be arrested and criminally indicted multiple times in the months ahead. You think it's a cake walk for his lawyers balancing multiple criminal indictments at the same time?

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/03/30/donald-trump-indictment-r-kelly-michael-avenatti-00088097

    I think he's scared. And should be. 
    I think POOTWH knows Weaselberg and others have flipped and that he’s toast. The NYC case is just a peek into its world of dots. Tick tock.
    This is why^^^

    People have literally been saying “he’s toast” or something similar for years. Out Of Our Minds is correct about that. 

    And he’s a narcissist with a god complex. No chance he thinks he’s going down for any of it. 
    He's criminally indicted for the first time in his life right now and will likely be criminally indicted multiple times in short order, Hugh. That's some new shit for him. 

    He's not president anymore. He's in quite a bit of trouble. lol
    I’m aware. But the suggestion was that he’s scared. In his mind, I don’t think he has any reason to be “at this point”. 

    He may face consequences , he may not. But this is FAR from a slam dunk. People need to stop thinking this is “finally it”. This could easily blow up in democrats’ face in an epic way. 


    Although you are right anything could backfire but what should the DA do, ignore a clear crime? Legally it appears there is an irrefutable crime here.

     If trumps argument prevails, that he did this for personal reasons, then he is screwed for lying to conspire to commit tax fraud, by calling the bribe “legal fees” to deduct on his business taxes. If not for personal reasons, then it’s an illegal contribution to his campaign because the campaign benefitted by stormy keeping quiet. Either way, it’s a crime, despite the confusion expressed by some posters here.

    This gets complicated for trump if the Fulton DA and special prosecutor smith have the same backbone as Bragg.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    2024
    Of course the DA should prosecute if they think they can get a conviction. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    2023

    “It’s All About Trump’s Election Criminality

    The details of the various investigations are complicated, but the thread connecting them is easy to understand

    You don’t have to closely track the minutiae of the legal developments in each of the investigations to understand what it’s all about. It’s okay if they blur together in your mind. In fact, that might be helpful in seeing the big picture, the unprecedented nature of the threat Trump poses.

    See, at the broadest level, the Manhattan district attorney’s indictment of Trump regards the same subject as the ongoing investigation by the Fulton County district attorney in Georgia and one of the investigations now being led by the special counsel in the Department of Justice. In fact, the case even strikes the same theme as the Mueller investigation and both of Trump’s impeachments.

    What would that be? Election criminality. That’s the throughline of most of Trump’s corruption since 2016. He covered up hush money to his mistresses, made overtures to Russia “if you’re listening,” held up funding for Ukraine, put the squeeze on Georgia election officials to “find the votes,” and incited the January 6th insurrection all in pursuit of the same goal: to win presidential elections—and then, when he lost in 2020, to overturn the results…”


    "Election criminality"- that makes good sense.  The courts won't see it that way, of course, but hopefully all of his various crimes will lead to his downfall once and for all.  Sadly, his minions will continue to blather on about what a great hero is to them.  That anyone could find that to be so is mighty perplexing.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,576
    2025
    brianlux said:

    “It’s All About Trump’s Election Criminality

    The details of the various investigations are complicated, but the thread connecting them is easy to understand

    You don’t have to closely track the minutiae of the legal developments in each of the investigations to understand what it’s all about. It’s okay if they blur together in your mind. In fact, that might be helpful in seeing the big picture, the unprecedented nature of the threat Trump poses.

    See, at the broadest level, the Manhattan district attorney’s indictment of Trump regards the same subject as the ongoing investigation by the Fulton County district attorney in Georgia and one of the investigations now being led by the special counsel in the Department of Justice. In fact, the case even strikes the same theme as the Mueller investigation and both of Trump’s impeachments.

    What would that be? Election criminality. That’s the throughline of most of Trump’s corruption since 2016. He covered up hush money to his mistresses, made overtures to Russia “if you’re listening,” held up funding for Ukraine, put the squeeze on Georgia election officials to “find the votes,” and incited the January 6th insurrection all in pursuit of the same goal: to win presidential elections—and then, when he lost in 2020, to overturn the results…”


    "Election criminality"- that makes good sense.  The courts won't see it that way, of course, but hopefully all of his various crimes will lead to his downfall once and for all.  Sadly, his minions will continue to blather on about what a great hero is to them.  That anyone could find that to be so is mighty perplexing.
    As one MAGA I saw on TV describing him as the strongest president of all time! 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    2023
    brianlux said:

    “It’s All About Trump’s Election Criminality

    The details of the various investigations are complicated, but the thread connecting them is easy to understand

    You don’t have to closely track the minutiae of the legal developments in each of the investigations to understand what it’s all about. It’s okay if they blur together in your mind. In fact, that might be helpful in seeing the big picture, the unprecedented nature of the threat Trump poses.

    See, at the broadest level, the Manhattan district attorney’s indictment of Trump regards the same subject as the ongoing investigation by the Fulton County district attorney in Georgia and one of the investigations now being led by the special counsel in the Department of Justice. In fact, the case even strikes the same theme as the Mueller investigation and both of Trump’s impeachments.

    What would that be? Election criminality. That’s the throughline of most of Trump’s corruption since 2016. He covered up hush money to his mistresses, made overtures to Russia “if you’re listening,” held up funding for Ukraine, put the squeeze on Georgia election officials to “find the votes,” and incited the January 6th insurrection all in pursuit of the same goal: to win presidential elections—and then, when he lost in 2020, to overturn the results…”


    "Election criminality"- that makes good sense.  The courts won't see it that way, of course, but hopefully all of his various crimes will lead to his downfall once and for all.  Sadly, his minions will continue to blather on about what a great hero is to them.  That anyone could find that to be so is mighty perplexing.
    As one MAGA I saw on TV describing him as the strongest president of all time! 

    Kind of like the way rotting fish has a strong odor, right?  :lol:
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    2023
    One recent poll shows "Among Republicans, 73% think the one-term, twice-impeached, criminally charged former president has had a positive impact on the Republican party."  How can so many people people that?


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    -Roberto Benigni

  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,576
    2025
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:

    “It’s All About Trump’s Election Criminality

    The details of the various investigations are complicated, but the thread connecting them is easy to understand

    You don’t have to closely track the minutiae of the legal developments in each of the investigations to understand what it’s all about. It’s okay if they blur together in your mind. In fact, that might be helpful in seeing the big picture, the unprecedented nature of the threat Trump poses.

    See, at the broadest level, the Manhattan district attorney’s indictment of Trump regards the same subject as the ongoing investigation by the Fulton County district attorney in Georgia and one of the investigations now being led by the special counsel in the Department of Justice. In fact, the case even strikes the same theme as the Mueller investigation and both of Trump’s impeachments.

    What would that be? Election criminality. That’s the throughline of most of Trump’s corruption since 2016. He covered up hush money to his mistresses, made overtures to Russia “if you’re listening,” held up funding for Ukraine, put the squeeze on Georgia election officials to “find the votes,” and incited the January 6th insurrection all in pursuit of the same goal: to win presidential elections—and then, when he lost in 2020, to overturn the results…”


    "Election criminality"- that makes good sense.  The courts won't see it that way, of course, but hopefully all of his various crimes will lead to his downfall once and for all.  Sadly, his minions will continue to blather on about what a great hero is to them.  That anyone could find that to be so is mighty perplexing.
    As one MAGA I saw on TV describing him as the strongest president of all time! 

    Kind of like the way rotting fish has a strong odor, right?  :lol:
    I bet he smells a bit worse 😂😂
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,769
    brianlux said:
    One recent poll shows "Among Republicans, 73% think the one-term, twice-impeached, criminally charged former president has had a positive impact on the Republican party."  How can so many people people that?


    He hates all the right people. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    2024
    Orange Man was at UFC last night. It was in Miami. When the crowd saw him, chants of “USA USA USA” broke out. 😂 frickin floridians. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    2023
    Orange Man was at UFC last night. It was in Miami. When the crowd saw him, chants of “USA USA USA” broke out. 😂 frickin floridians. 

    Ugly Stupid Ass!
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,576
    2025
    Orange Man was at UFC last night. It was in Miami. When the crowd saw him, chants of “USA USA USA” broke out. 😂 frickin floridians. 
    Fk Florida 
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  • Chanting Let's go Brandon!

    LOL! This nation hates this POS president everyday
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,576
    2025
    Chanting Let's go Brandon!

    LOL! This nation hates this POS president everyday
    Yeah sure tell that to the 81 million of us who voted for the old man over a complete idiot! An arena full of deplorable’s does not make a majority only in your mind it does 😂😂
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    2024
    Chanting Let's go Brandon!

    LOL! This nation hates this POS president everyday
    Read the room. The majority of the planet thinks Trump is a buffoon and the single worst president in history. 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,576
    2025
    Who’s under indictment and who’s under multiple investigations? Is it the senile old man or the idiot who claims he’s the smartest guy in the room?
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,372
    Chanting Let's go Brandon!

    LOL! This nation hates this POS president everyday
    Read the room. The majority of the planet thinks Trump is a buffoon and the single worst president in history. 
    latest hit and run resident troll. best to ignore.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    2023
    Chanting Let's go Brandon!

    LOL! This nation hates this POS president everyday

    Yeah, sure, uuuuuuuuuuh hu. 
    Made any converts for your criminal whackadoo hero lately?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    2024
    mickeyrat said:
    Chanting Let's go Brandon!

    LOL! This nation hates this POS president everyday
    Read the room. The majority of the planet thinks Trump is a buffoon and the single worst president in history. 
    latest hit and run resident troll. best to ignore.

    I know who he is. Just hoping to drag some actual discussion out of him. 
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