America's Gun Violence #2

mace1229 · January 2023

HughFreakingDillon said:

compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita.

I’ve always thought it was funny, one of the biggest factors is the elephant in the room we’re not allowed to discuss.
it’s the minority/poverty communities that have a ridiculous rate of gun homicides. Blacks make up about 2/3 of gun deaths, while only being about 15% of the population. They are 10 times more likely to die from a gun than a white person. We ignore this, even lash out when people bring up race, then scratch or head why we aren’t improving.
But we aren’t doing our minority kids any favors. Inner city schools are terrible, kids are failing out and gravitate towards crime. We make more excuses and the cycle gets worse.

That’s the main reason we moved over the summer, I couldn’t be a part of it anymore. Working in an all minority school in the inner city, they refused to discipline. Fights would break out in class and they’d just send the kids back because it was racist to discipline a minority student. Literally what I was told by admin.
So we fail them there, they don’t get an education, get stuck in a community of poverty and have 10 times the rate of gun violence. And we act surprised.

brianlux · January 2023

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita.

I’ve always thought it was funny, one of the biggest factors is the elephant in the room we’re not allowed to discuss.
it’s the minority/poverty communities that have a ridiculous rate of gun homicides. Blacks make up about 2/3 of gun deaths, while only being about 15% of the population. They are 10 times more likely to die from a gun than a white person. We ignore this, even lash out when people bring up race, then scratch or head why we aren’t improving.
But we aren’t doing our minority kids any favors. Inner city schools are terrible, kids are failing out and gravitate towards crime. We make more excuses and the cycle gets worse.
That’s the main reason we moved over the summer, I couldn’t be a part of it anymore. Working in an all minority school in the inner city, they refused to discipline. Fights would break out in class and they’d just send the kids back because it was racist to discipline a minority student. Literally what I was told by admin.
So we fail them there, they don’t get an education, get stuck in a community of poverty and have 10 times the rate of gun violence. And we act surprised.

Actually, this has been discussed on AMT a number of time and I do not recall anyone ever saying "You can't do that."

In fact, here is an article published in the Guardian (not what I would call a conservative publication) on that very subject written by a black man.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/02/black-communities-gun-violence-assumed-we-are-to-blame

As a nation, we witness the tragedy of gun violence on a regular basis. On the surface, it could be easy to look away – many Americans are desensitized to the devastation following the lives lost and the communities affected by someone with a gun. But if you take a closer look at the public portrayal of gun violence it correlates with the villainization of Black and brown Americans.

When people of color are involved in acts of gun violence, the assumption is we are to blame. We are living in the wrong neighborhood, or the violence was result of criminal activity. However, it is our communities that are most affected and harmed by these tragedies. This past year we have seen a significant rise in shootings nationwide – an increase that disproportionately affects majority-minority communities like mine. While Black men and boys make up only 2% of the population, we are most likely to be victims of gun violence. Failure to recognize the humanity in victims, regardless of the color of their skin, inherently diminishes the personal and societal value of that individual. This negligence is consistently applied to Black people. If we are the criminals, we are at fault. If we are the victims, we are at fault. If we are bystanders, we are at fault because we live in a country that does not afford us the presumption of innocence.

For decades, we’ve seen the negative responses to Black and brown Americans taking to the streets to protest against systemic barriers in work, education and daily life. We’ve seen peaceful protesters from Missouri to Minnesota bombarded with teargas and militarized police forces, but at the United States Capitol on 6 January 2021, what we saw was far from peaceful. The insurrection was an attack on our democracy with an underwhelming response from law enforcement. Initially, the terrorists did not fear the police and the police did not fear the terrorists – some even posed for pictures during the attack. Insurrection participants committed a treasonous act and one year later are still seen as non-threatening citizens who “made a mistake”. As a Black man, I cannot leave home without knowing that someone may perceive my presence as a threat. To think about what the response would have been if the crowd was chanting “No justice, no peace” instead of “Make America Great Again.”

In 2021, 18-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse, an illegally armed white male who murdered two people, was acquitted on all charges, and viewed by some as a hero. Five years earlier in 2016, 32-year-old Philando Castile, a legally armed Black male, was pulled over for a routine traffic stop. His compliance led to a police officer murdering him in front of his family. Rittenhouse crossed state lines with malicious intent and was applauded. His celebrity was encouraged by law enforcement and many banded together to raise money for his release. Castile, however, a legal gun owner, has been described using racial epithets and his death has been viewed by many as justified. A jury decided that the officer who killed Castile, like Rittenhouse, was scared for his life and declared him not guilty. Our gun ownership makes us a threat worthy of execution while white male gun ownership is admirable or heroic.

Black and brown communities remain angry, frustrated and heavily affected by these injustices. America perpetuates the trauma of Black and brown people by failing to address how the justice system encourages violence. The solutions offered only criminalize fallen loved ones and fuel distrust among survivors. In 2013, I was shot and while I was fighting for my life in the emergency room, I was interrogated and questioned as if I was a guilty party in my own shooting. When my story was covered in the media, the comment sections were filled with accusations that I was dealing drugs, that this was gang violence and some of the worst stereotypes imaginable. None of these people thought about the pain that I was in or my proximity to death. All they saw was a Black man with a gunshot wound who was in the wrong neighborhood. Since then, I have dedicated my life to sustained advocacy for Black and brown communities. Our fight aims to reshape racially motivated policies and tactics that are regularly demonstrated in American history.

My dedication to ending the public health crisis that is gun violence is shared by everyone at the Community Justice Action Fund. This year we worked closely with the Biden administration to advocate for changes to 26 individual grants across five agencies to allow $12bn in federal funding to be used for community-led efforts to reduce violence in states and municipalities. We also advocated for, and successfully secured, an additional $2bn in grant funding for this same goal. Over the past six years we have been consistently committed to ending gun violence in all forms with sustained advocacy and community investments that will make a lasting impact.

Prejudices within our systems make gun violence in Black and brown communities worse. We need our leaders to fund peace and invest in our communities, so that we can build a society free from gun violence: one where Americans, regardless of the color of their skin, are treated equally under the law. The Community Justice Action Fund will continue working each day to tell our stories, promote peace and end the unequal treatment of Black and brown people.

Gregory Jackson Jr is the executive director of the Community Justice Action Fund

Merkin Baller · January 2023

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita.

I’m curious to see a complete list of those 32 countries ahead of the US. (Not asking you to provide it, I can google).

It’s a valid point, I’m legit interested in it; but when I read that firearms were the leading cause of death among 1-19 year olds in America in 2020 and study after study showing the presence of a firearm in the home increases your odds of being shot… yeah, I’m going to look at the presence of and obsession with guns in our country as being the root of the problem.

yep, you stated it right there. presence of "and obsession with". that's culture. the number of guns is absolutely high on the list. I'm just saying it's not the sole reason, that's all.

IMO it's the single biggest reason. Are there other factors? Sure, but many of those factors are present in other countries as well that don't have these absurd rates of gun violence. That can't be overstated.

I get your point that 32 countries have higher gun deaths per capita, but OTOH, that's out of 195 countries... < 17%.

We have a higher rate of gun death per capita than 83% of the rest of the world.

nicknyr15 · January 2023

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita.

I’m curious to see a complete list of those 32 countries ahead of the US. (Not asking you to provide it, I can google).

It’s a valid point, I’m legit interested in it; but when I read that firearms were the leading cause of death among 1-19 year olds in America in 2020 and study after study showing the presence of a firearm in the home increases your odds of being shot… yeah, I’m going to look at the presence of and obsession with guns in our country as being the root of the problem.

yep, you stated it right there. presence of "and obsession with". that's culture. the number of guns is absolutely high on the list. I'm just saying it's not the sole reason, that's all.

IMO it's the single biggest reason. Are there other factors? Sure, but many of those factors are present in other countries as well that don't have these absurd rates of gun violence. That can't be overstated.

I get your point that 32 countries have higher gun deaths per capita, but OTOH, that's out of 195 countries... < 17%.

We have a higher rate of gun death per capita than 83% of the rest of the world.

24 days into the year
69 mass shooting deaths

mickeyrat · January 2023

Out of My Mind and Time said:

LOL! The ugly mouse is wrong again.

I nevet believed Kat or Sea when they say its an all ages forum. Well heres proof pre-teens are here.

Gern Blansten · January 2023

Please don't feed the trolls.

mace1229 · January 2023

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita.

I’ve always thought it was funny, one of the biggest factors is the elephant in the room we’re not allowed to discuss.
it’s the minority/poverty communities that have a ridiculous rate of gun homicides. Blacks make up about 2/3 of gun deaths, while only being about 15% of the population. They are 10 times more likely to die from a gun than a white person. We ignore this, even lash out when people bring up race, then scratch or head why we aren’t improving.
But we aren’t doing our minority kids any favors. Inner city schools are terrible, kids are failing out and gravitate towards crime. We make more excuses and the cycle gets worse.
That’s the main reason we moved over the summer, I couldn’t be a part of it anymore. Working in an all minority school in the inner city, they refused to discipline. Fights would break out in class and they’d just send the kids back because it was racist to discipline a minority student. Literally what I was told by admin.
So we fail them there, they don’t get an education, get stuck in a community of poverty and have 10 times the rate of gun violence. And we act surprised.

Actually, this has been discussed on AMT a number of time and I do not recall anyone ever saying "You can't do that."

In fact, here is an article published in the Guardian (not what I would call a conservative publication) on that very subject written by a black man.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/02/black-communities-gun-violence-assumed-we-are-to-blame

I wasn't specifically referring to here. But as a teacher, I wouldn't feel comfortable making those statements at a staff meeting. It is geared so much in the other direction. We had a staff meeting a couple years ago that I consider anti-white, a black teacher stood up and announced he was going home today hating every white person (his exact words, "I am leaving today hating every white person."), and he was applauded for his bravery and honesty. So I'd never dare make those comments at a school. I wouldn't post that on Facebook for everyone to see. Kind of on the same topic, didn't an anchor at CNN get fired a few years ago for blaming violence in black communities on the large number of single parent households and the lack of parent involvement? So thats what I meant when I said its the elephant we don't want to talk about, not the AMT specifically. But even then, I havent seen anyone bring it up in the last couple pages. I saw a debate about what are the major causes and not once in this current discussion did I see black crime brought up. So I do think it is something people don't want to readily admit to or bring up. Being as obvious of a problem as it is, it should be the first factor mentioned, not one of the last.
A black man commenting on the violence in black communities isn't the same as a white person bringing it up too.

dudeman · January 2023

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita.

I’ve always thought it was funny, one of the biggest factors is the elephant in the room we’re not allowed to discuss.
it’s the minority/poverty communities that have a ridiculous rate of gun homicides. Blacks make up about 2/3 of gun deaths, while only being about 15% of the population. They are 10 times more likely to die from a gun than a white person. We ignore this, even lash out when people bring up race, then scratch or head why we aren’t improving.
But we aren’t doing our minority kids any favors. Inner city schools are terrible, kids are failing out and gravitate towards crime. We make more excuses and the cycle gets worse.
That’s the main reason we moved over the summer, I couldn’t be a part of it anymore. Working in an all minority school in the inner city, they refused to discipline. Fights would break out in class and they’d just send the kids back because it was racist to discipline a minority student. Literally what I was told by admin.
So we fail them there, they don’t get an education, get stuck in a community of poverty and have 10 times the rate of gun violence. And we act surprised.

Actually, this has been discussed on AMT a number of time and I do not recall anyone ever saying "You can't do that."

In fact, here is an article published in the Guardian (not what I would call a conservative publication) on that very subject written by a black man.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/02/black-communities-gun-violence-assumed-we-are-to-blame

I wasn't specifically referring to here. But as a teacher, I wouldn't feel comfortable making those statements at a staff meeting. It is geared so much in the other direction. We had a staff meeting a couple years ago that I consider anti-white, a black teacher stood up and announced he was going home today hating every white person (his exact words, "I am leaving today hating every white person."), and he was applauded for his bravery and honesty. So I'd never dare make those comments at a school. I wouldn't post that on Facebook for everyone to see. Kind of on the same topic, didn't an anchor at CNN get fired a few years ago for blaming violence in black communities on the large number of single parent households and the lack of parent involvement? So thats what I meant when I said its the elephant we don't want to talk about, not the AMT specifically. But even then, I havent seen anyone bring it up in the last couple pages. I saw a debate about what are the major causes and not once in this current discussion did I see black crime brought up. So I do think it is something people don't want to readily admit to or bring up. Being as obvious of a problem as it is, it should be the first factor mentioned, not one of the last.
A black man commenting on the violence in black communities isn't the same as a white person bringing it up too.

Agreed. This is a serious problem and one that needs greater attention from people in positions to make a difference. From my perspective, that happens at the individual, family and community level. Each of these cities that have been dealing with this issue is likely to be unique in terms of resources, demographics and community involvement. State or Federal legislation is not likely to solve those problems, even if new laws make white people feel like something has been accomplished.

Halifax2TheMax · January 2023

Gee, I wonder what the white community’s responsibility is as it relates to gun violence in ‘Murica? Anyone?

Halifax2TheMax · January 2023

Because we wouldn’t want to hold firearm sellers or individuals selling firearms at flea markets to be held accountable or have any way to track ownership of firearms, right? It’s all on the black community, right? To get their house in order and solve the scrounge of gun violence? Did I get that right?

mace1229 · January 2023

Halifax2TheMax said:

Gee, I wonder what the white community’s responsibility is as it relates to gun violence in ‘Murica? Anyone?

Why is a white community's responsibility any different when it comes to violence and guns?

Halifax2TheMax · January 2023

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Gee, I wonder what the white community’s responsibility is as it relates to gun violence in ‘Murica? Anyone?

Why is a white community's responsibility any different when it comes to violence and guns?

Different? I’m asking what it is. Can you tell me?

mace1229 · January 2023

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Gee, I wonder what the white community’s responsibility is as it relates to gun violence in ‘Murica? Anyone?

Why is a white community's responsibility any different when it comes to violence and guns?

Different? I’m asking what it is. Can you tell me?

You singled out the white community when it comes to responsibility, implying that it is different than the rest. Typically a response of "gee I wonder..." isn't really a question, but a statement or rhetorical question. I didn't know you wanted an answer.

josevolution · January 2023

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Gee, I wonder what the white community’s responsibility is as it relates to gun violence in ‘Murica? Anyone?

Why is a white community's responsibility any different when it comes to violence and guns?

I wonder Uhmm

Halifax2TheMax · January 2023

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Gee, I wonder what the white community’s responsibility is as it relates to gun violence in ‘Murica? Anyone?

Why is a white community's responsibility any different when it comes to violence and guns?

Different? I’m asking what it is. Can you tell me?

You singled out the white community when it comes to responsibility, implying that it is different than the rest. Typically a response of "gee I wonder..." isn't really a question, but a statement or rhetorical question. I didn't know you wanted an answer.

Does the white community bear any responsibility for lessening the frequency of gun violence in ‘Murica or does it, or 2/3 of it anyway, reside solely with the black community?

tempo_n_groove · January 2023

brianlux said:

And another one. Half Moon Bay. Ever been to Half Moon Bay, California? If you have, you'd know why I can't understand how anyone could lose their shit on go on a shooting rampage. Much as I hat that it happens anywhere, I think the shootings in overcrowded, over-polluted hard-core urban centers can at least partially be attributed to an environment not well suited for sentient beings. But Half Moon Bay? Well, then I guess it can happen anywhere. How sad, how pathetic.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/23/at-least-seven-dead-in-northern-california-shootings
At least seven dead in northern California shootings
Two attacks in agricultural area near Half Moon Bay come within days of shootings in Monterey Park and Central Valley
Seven people have been killed in an agricultural region of northern California, authorities said on Monday, the latest shootings to rattle the state in recent days.
Two fatal shootings took place at a mushroom farm and a trucking firm on the outskirts of Half Moon Bay, a coastal community about 30 miles south of San Francisco, officials said.
Dave Pine, the president of the San Mateo county board of supervisors, said that four people died at the farm and three at the trucking business, although it was not immediately clear if the incidents were connected.
Authorities have said that a suspect is in custody. Television footage from the area showed officers taking a man into custody without incident.
“There is no ongoing threat to the community at this time,” the San Mateo county sheriff’s office said.
David Canepa, a San Mateo county supervisor, tweeted that one of the shootings had happened at a mushroom farm. Aerial television images showed police officers collecting evidence from a farm with dozens of greenhouses.
The shooting followed the killing of 11 people over the weekend at a ballroom dance hall in the southern California city of Monterey Park, near Los Angeles. It also comes on the heels of a shooting in California’s Central Valley last week, where six people, including an infant, were killed in the small town of Goshen.
“We are sickened by today’s tragedy in Half Moon Bay,” Pine said in a statement. “We have not even had time to grieve for those lost in the terrible shooting in Monterey Park. Gun violence must stop.”
More details soon …

Half Moon Bay:

These two in Cali were an Asian against Asians, I don't recall ever hearing that. Both during their New Year too...

mace1229 · January 2023

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Gee, I wonder what the white community’s responsibility is as it relates to gun violence in ‘Murica? Anyone?

Why is a white community's responsibility any different when it comes to violence and guns?

I wonder Uhmm

I seriously do wonder. What is different about the responsibility of a white community that a minority community doesn't share when it comes to gun violence? I'm for background checks, strict gun laws and punishment. Providing equal opportunity and education to all so they can get out of a life of poverty. How is that different?

Gern Blansten · January 2023

https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1618269896709931008

Billy the Kid vs Wyatt Earp

tempo_n_groove · January 2023

gimmesometruth27 said:

nicknyr15 said:

Crazy to see more outrage about stoves, M&Ms and Oscar nominations.

would it be better if i just warned you about incoming thoughts and prayers?

I missed the bitching about the Oscars this year?

mace1229 · January 2023

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Gee, I wonder what the white community’s responsibility is as it relates to gun violence in ‘Murica? Anyone?

Why is a white community's responsibility any different when it comes to violence and guns?

Different? I’m asking what it is. Can you tell me?

You singled out the white community when it comes to responsibility, implying that it is different than the rest. Typically a response of "gee I wonder..." isn't really a question, but a statement or rhetorical question. I didn't know you wanted an answer.

Does the white community bear any responsibility for lessening the frequency of gun violence in ‘Murica or does it, or 2/3 of it anyway, reside solely with the black community?

Yes, they bear the same responsibility as anyone else. Why do. you keep singling out white communities if they aren't held to a different standard? I'm not getting your point. I never said white communities were exempt from gun responsibility. It all falls on us equally.

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