America's Gun Violence #2

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,078
    Get_Right said:
    WTF is all I have to say.  And half moon is one of the nicest places I have ever visited. Guns be gone. The strict laws work in Japan where the crazies walk off in the woods and never come back. 
    I do agree with 2Aers, however, that it's not JUST the guns. it's many things. culture, mental health, etc. 
    but the gun is the one, single, common denominator.
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  • Yea, can’t possibly be burned out on it nor discouraged at this point. Nothing, absolutely nothing, has changed since Sandy Hook and if the cold blooded massacre of 20 1st and 2nd graders won’t change anything, then the majority of ‘Muricans are just fine with the status quo.

    There have been nearly 40 mass shootings so far this year


    On Jan. 21, a shooter opened fire on the eve of Lunar New Year at a dance studio in Monterey Park, a majority-Asian Los Angeles suburb, killing 11 people. Two days later, related shootings at two locations around Half Moon Bay, near San Francisco, killed seven people.

    There have already been 39 mass shootings in 2023 in the United States, according to the Gun Violence Archive. There have been more shootings than any other January on the database’s records, which go back to 2014.

    Mass shootings — where four or more people, not including the shooter, are injured or killed — have averaged more than one per day in 2023. Every week has had at least six mass shootings.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/01/24/mass-shootings-us/

    And it’s not even February yet. What a country.

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  • The staggering scope of U.S. gun deaths goes far beyond mass shootings

    The spate of shooting attacks in communities such as Highland Park, Ill.Uvalde, Tex.; and Buffalohas riveted attention on America’s staggering number of public mass killings. But the rising number of gun deaths in the United States extends beyond such high-profile episodes, emerging nearly every day inside homes, outside bars and on the streets of many cities, according to federal data.

    [There have been over 300 mass shootings so far in 2022]

    The surge in gun violence comes as firearm purchases rose to record levels in 2020 and 2021, with more than 43 million guns estimated to have been purchased during that period, according to a Washington Post analysis of federal data on gun background checks. At the same time, the rate of gun deaths in those years hit the highest level since 1995, with more than 45,000 fatalities each year.

    Guns are used in most suicides and are almost entirely responsible for an overall rise in homicides across the country from 2018 to 2021, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    Over the long Fourth of July weekend, when seven people were killed and dozens wounded at a parade in Highland Park, numerous other fatal shootings played out across the country. In nearby Chicago, 10 people were killed and more than 60 wounded in a string of shootings over the weekend. One person was killed and four were wounded in a shooting outside a Sacramento nightclub. Two people were shot to death at a home in Haltom City, Tex., and a neighbor and three police officers were injured. A man was fatally shot in Clinton, N.C.; hours later, six people, including two children, were injured in a separate shooting there.

    There is not one clear answer as to what is driving the rise inbloodshed, experts said, but possible factors include the stress of the coronavirus pandemic, fraying ties between the police and the public, mounting anger, worsening mental strain and the sheer number of guns in America.

    “You put all that into a pressure cooker,” said Alex Piquero, a criminologist at the University of Miami, “and you let the pressure cooker blow up.”

    [Mass violence takes toll on Americans’ psyches]

    Local leaders, law enforcement officials and anti-violence workers say they have seen a worrisome trend recently, in which disputes that would have previously led to fistfights instead escalated rapidly to gunfire.

    “What we’re seeing is a different type of violence here in Pittsburgh,” said the Rev. Eileen Smith, executive director of the South Pittsburgh Coalition for Peace, a nonprofit that includes violence interrupters. “They’re not fighting, at least not outside of school. They’re killing.”

    The ample access to guns plays a significant role, experts said. Americans are arming themselves in the face of deepening fears and divisions, frightening public incidents involving gunfire or violence, or simply because they know others may also have guns.

    Data shows that gun sales increase in the wake of violence, political events and uncertainty. Large spikes occurred after the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting; amid coronavirus shutdowns, racial justice protests and the presidential election in 2020; and after the Jan. 6, 2021, siege of the U.S. Capitol.

    With an estimated 400 million guns in the country, a figure that eclipses the U.S. population, “there is a self-fulfilling prophecy of, ‘I need a gun because everyone else around me has a gun,’” said Sasha Cotton, director of the Minneapolis Office of Violence Prevention.

    The agonizing frequency of nonfatal shootings and firearm deaths, experts said, has become a uniquely American phenomenon.

    Many other countries have disadvantaged folks who are angry and alienated,” said Richard Berk, a professor emeritus of criminology and statistics at the University of Pennsylvania. “But guns aren’t there.”

    Continues with a gift article, probably previously posted.

    https://wapo.st/3R0A9qV


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  • Get_Right
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    Get_Right said:
    WTF is all I have to say.  And half moon is one of the nicest places I have ever visited. Guns be gone. The strict laws work in Japan where the crazies walk off in the woods and never come back. 
    I do agree with 2Aers, however, that it's not JUST the guns. it's many things. culture, mental health, etc. 

    Not wrong, but let's start with the guns.
  • HughFreakingDillon
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  • brianlux
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    nicknyr15 said:
    Kind of sad the reactions mass shootings get in todays world. Outrage simply depends on race of the shooter and type of gun used it seems. Back to back mass shootings and zero discussion here. The troll posts seemed to get people more upset nowadays. Sad. 

    I'm a bit confused by what you're saying here, Nick.  Maybe I just haven't read the same pages, but my general sense is that what I read (and how I feel as well), is that anyone who isn't a die-hard NRA type supporter of fire arms is sick and tired of hearing about mass shootings. 

    Also, what other type of discussion are you looking for here?  Mass shootings are in the news so much, it's hard to see this thread and think of other related topics.  When I see the thread topic, I immediately think about the latest mass shooting.  Then I might think (yet again), how pathetic it is that we do not have better background checks, have not invested more time and resources in mental health, and not not have adequate restrictions on guns that are manufactured with the sole purpose of killing as many people as quickly as possible. 

    As for the trolls- the responses here are that either people being upset (I get it- people are dying, it's not a joke) or (my go-to, if anything) to say something to point out what a joke trolling is and what a joke trolls are.  Of course, the best thing is to ignore them.
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  • mickeyrat
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    sad and tragic fact about america and its liberty,  she's a bloodthirsty bitch who demands to be fed..... often.
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  • Merkin Baller
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    edited January 2023
    Get_Right said:
    WTF is all I have to say.  And half moon is one of the nicest places I have ever visited. Guns be gone. The strict laws work in Japan where the crazies walk off in the woods and never come back. 
    I do agree with 2Aers, however, that it's not JUST the guns. it's many things. culture, mental health, etc. 
    I’m not anti-2A Hugh, but America is the only country that has this problem (at least on this scale). Other countries have mental illness, etc. 

    It’s the guns. 

    I agree with your earlier post about fatigue. There’s f-all that is going to be done about it. The NRA owns our government and guns are too ingrained in the culture. I’ve accepted it as a reality of living in America. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Get_Right said:
    WTF is all I have to say.  And half moon is one of the nicest places I have ever visited. Guns be gone. The strict laws work in Japan where the crazies walk off in the woods and never come back. 
    I do agree with 2Aers, however, that it's not JUST the guns. it's many things. culture, mental health, etc. 
    I’m not anti-2A Hugh, but America is the only country that has this problem (at least on this scale). Other countries have mental illness, etc. 

    It’s the guns. 

    I agree with your earlier post about fatigue. There’s f-all that is going to be done about it. The NRA owns our government and guns are too ingrained in the culture. I’ve accepted it as a reality of living in America. 
    but you'd think if it was the guns, and mainly just the guns, we'd have proportionate instances. we simply do not. like, a country that has half the number of guns per citizen, should, by extension, have half the amount of shootings. that just doesn't happen. it's not even close to the same ratio. so yes, it's the guns. but it's also many other factors. 
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  • Merkin Baller
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    Get_Right said:
    WTF is all I have to say.  And half moon is one of the nicest places I have ever visited. Guns be gone. The strict laws work in Japan where the crazies walk off in the woods and never come back. 
    I do agree with 2Aers, however, that it's not JUST the guns. it's many things. culture, mental health, etc. 
    I’m not anti-2A Hugh, but America is the only country that has this problem (at least on this scale). Other countries have mental illness, etc. 

    It’s the guns. 

    I agree with your earlier post about fatigue. There’s f-all that is going to be done about it. The NRA owns our government and guns are too ingrained in the culture. I’ve accepted it as a reality of living in America. 
    but you'd think if it was the guns, and mainly just the guns, we'd have proportionate instances. we simply do not. like, a country that has half the number of guns per citizen, should, by extension, have half the amount of shootings. that just doesn't happen. it's not even close to the same ratio. so yes, it's the guns. but it's also many other factors. 
    Any resources on that topic to share? I’m not being flippant, I’m legit interested to read up on that. 
  • Get_Right said:
    WTF is all I have to say.  And half moon is one of the nicest places I have ever visited. Guns be gone. The strict laws work in Japan where the crazies walk off in the woods and never come back. 
    I do agree with 2Aers, however, that it's not JUST the guns. it's many things. culture, mental health, etc. 
    I’m not anti-2A Hugh, but America is the only country that has this problem (at least on this scale). Other countries have mental illness, etc. 

    It’s the guns. 

    I agree with your earlier post about fatigue. There’s f-all that is going to be done about it. The NRA owns our government and guns are too ingrained in the culture. I’ve accepted it as a reality of living in America. 
    but you'd think if it was the guns, and mainly just the guns, we'd have proportionate instances. we simply do not. like, a country that has half the number of guns per citizen, should, by extension, have half the amount of shootings. that just doesn't happen. it's not even close to the same ratio. so yes, it's the guns. but it's also many other factors. 
    Any resources on that topic to share? I’m not being flippant, I’m legit interested to read up on that. 

    The staggering scope of U.S. gun deaths goes far beyond mass shootings

    The spate of shooting attacks in communities such as Highland Park, Ill.Uvalde, Tex.; and Buffalohas riveted attention on America’s staggering number of public mass killings. But the rising number of gun deaths in the United States extends beyond such high-profile episodes, emerging nearly every day inside homes, outside bars and on the streets of many cities, according to federal data.

    [There have been over 300 mass shootings so far in 2022]

    The surge in gun violence comes as firearm purchases rose to record levels in 2020 and 2021, with more than 43 million guns estimated to have been purchased during that period, according to a Washington Post analysis of federal data on gun background checks. At the same time, the rate of gun deaths in those years hit the highest level since 1995, with more than 45,000 fatalities each year.

    Guns are used in most suicides and are almost entirely responsible for an overall rise in homicides across the country from 2018 to 2021, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    Over the long Fourth of July weekend, when seven people were killed and dozens wounded at a parade in Highland Park, numerous other fatal shootings played out across the country. In nearby Chicago, 10 people were killed and more than 60 wounded in a string of shootings over the weekend. One person was killed and four were wounded in a shooting outside a Sacramento nightclub. Two people were shot to death at a home in Haltom City, Tex., and a neighbor and three police officers were injured. A man was fatally shot in Clinton, N.C.; hours later, six people, including two children, were injured in a separate shooting there.

    There is not one clear answer as to what is driving the rise inbloodshed, experts said, but possible factors include the stress of the coronavirus pandemic, fraying ties between the police and the public, mounting anger, worsening mental strain and the sheer number of guns in America.

    “You put all that into a pressure cooker,” said Alex Piquero, a criminologist at the University of Miami, “and you let the pressure cooker blow up.”

    [Mass violence takes toll on Americans’ psyches]

    Local leaders, law enforcement officials and anti-violence workers say they have seen a worrisome trend recently, in which disputes that would have previously led to fistfights instead escalated rapidly to gunfire.

    “What we’re seeing is a different type of violence here in Pittsburgh,” said the Rev. Eileen Smith, executive director of the South Pittsburgh Coalition for Peace, a nonprofit that includes violence interrupters. “They’re not fighting, at least not outside of school. They’re killing.”

    The ample access to guns plays a significant role, experts said. Americans are arming themselves in the face of deepening fears and divisions, frightening public incidents involving gunfire or violence, or simply because they know others may also have guns.

    Data shows that gun sales increase in the wake of violence, political events and uncertainty. Large spikes occurred after the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting; amid coronavirus shutdowns, racial justice protests and the presidential election in 2020; and after the Jan. 6, 2021, siege of the U.S. Capitol.

    With an estimated 400 million guns in the country, a figure that eclipses the U.S. population, “there is a self-fulfilling prophecy of, ‘I need a gun because everyone else around me has a gun,’” said Sasha Cotton, director of the Minneapolis Office of Violence Prevention.

    The agonizing frequency of nonfatal shootings and firearm deaths, experts said, has become a uniquely American phenomenon.

    “Many other countries have disadvantaged folks who are angry and alienated,” said Richard Berk, a professor emeritus of criminology and statistics at the University of Pennsylvania. “But guns aren’t there.”

    Continues with a gift article, probably previously posted.

    https://wapo.st/3R0A9qV

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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

    to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

    the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita. 
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  • brianlux
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    compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

    to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

    the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita. 

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  • Merkin Baller
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    compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

    to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

    the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita. 
    I’m curious to see a complete list of those 32 countries ahead of the US. (Not asking you to provide it, I can google). 

    It’s a valid point, I’m legit interested in it; but when I read that firearms were the leading cause of death among 1-19 year olds in America in 2020 and study after study showing the presence of a firearm in the home increases your odds of being shot… yeah, I’m going to look at the presence of and obsession with guns in our country as being the root of the problem. 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,185
    compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

    to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

    the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita. 
    I’m curious to see a complete list of those 32 countries ahead of the US. (Not asking you to provide it, I can google). 

    It’s a valid point, I’m legit interested in it; but when I read that firearms were the leading cause of death among 1-19 year olds in America in 2020 and study after study showing the presence of a firearm in the home increases your odds of being shot… yeah, I’m going to look at the presence of and obsession with guns in our country as being the root of the problem. 
    Our gun laws are leading us to situations that many of us predicted. Any confrontation can quickly involve a gun. Any road rage incident, youth soccer game argument, someone parked in front of your house that you don't feel should be there, an incorrect fast food order, someone bumping into you on the sidewalk or in a bar, etc.

    It will just get worse and worse until we pass laws to keep guns out of a lot of peoples hands.
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  • The only thing that can stop a bad dog with a gun is a good dog with a gun. Arm your dogs people.

    A man died in Kansas on Saturday after officials believe he was struck by a rifle that discharged after a dog stepped on it.

    The shooting unfolded around 9:40 a.m. in a truck on the 1600 block of East 80th Street, a country road about 46 miles south of Wichita, Wellington Fire and EMS Chief Tim Hay told NBC News. The dog stepped on the rifle in the back of the truck, causing it to fire and hit the back of the man, who was found in the front passenger seat, he said.

    Emergency medical personnel administered CPR before the 30-year-old victim, whose name has not yet been released, was pronounced dead at the scene, according to Hay.

    Another person who was in the driver's seat was physically unharmed, he said.

    It was not immediately clear who owned the truck and the dog or who called 911.

    The investigation is ongoing, but officials say it appears to be a hunting-related accident, according to the Sumner County Sheriff’s Office, which added that hunting gear was also found in the back of the car.

    Man dies after dog steps on rifle, causing it to discharge, Kansas officials say (nbcnews.com)

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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

    to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

    the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita. 
    I’m curious to see a complete list of those 32 countries ahead of the US. (Not asking you to provide it, I can google). 

    It’s a valid point, I’m legit interested in it; but when I read that firearms were the leading cause of death among 1-19 year olds in America in 2020 and study after study showing the presence of a firearm in the home increases your odds of being shot… yeah, I’m going to look at the presence of and obsession with guns in our country as being the root of the problem. 
    Our gun laws are leading us to situations that many of us predicted. Any confrontation can quickly involve a gun. Any road rage incident, youth soccer game argument, someone parked in front of your house that you don't feel should be there, an incorrect fast food order, someone bumping into you on the sidewalk or in a bar, etc.

    It will just get worse and worse until we pass laws to keep guns out of a lot of peoples hands.
    And, at least in some places, it'll be very hard to convict the shooter of anything. Good luck proving they were not feeling threatened.

    I'm cynical but I cannot imagine this is the world anyone actually wants. I guess it's just something they'll accept to lick NRA boot and get viewership by scaring people into thinking there's a threat around every corner.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,078
    The only thing that can stop a bad dog with a gun is a good dog with a gun. Arm your dogs people.

    A man died in Kansas on Saturday after officials believe he was struck by a rifle that discharged after a dog stepped on it.

    The shooting unfolded around 9:40 a.m. in a truck on the 1600 block of East 80th Street, a country road about 46 miles south of Wichita, Wellington Fire and EMS Chief Tim Hay told NBC News. The dog stepped on the rifle in the back of the truck, causing it to fire and hit the back of the man, who was found in the front passenger seat, he said.

    Emergency medical personnel administered CPR before the 30-year-old victim, whose name has not yet been released, was pronounced dead at the scene, according to Hay.

    Another person who was in the driver's seat was physically unharmed, he said.

    It was not immediately clear who owned the truck and the dog or who called 911.

    The investigation is ongoing, but officials say it appears to be a hunting-related accident, according to the Sumner County Sheriff’s Office, which added that hunting gear was also found in the back of the car.

    Man dies after dog steps on rifle, causing it to discharge, Kansas officials say (nbcnews.com)

    that's a helluva way to go. getting capped by your supposed best friend.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,185
    OnWis97 said:
    compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

    to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

    the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita. 
    I’m curious to see a complete list of those 32 countries ahead of the US. (Not asking you to provide it, I can google). 

    It’s a valid point, I’m legit interested in it; but when I read that firearms were the leading cause of death among 1-19 year olds in America in 2020 and study after study showing the presence of a firearm in the home increases your odds of being shot… yeah, I’m going to look at the presence of and obsession with guns in our country as being the root of the problem. 
    Our gun laws are leading us to situations that many of us predicted. Any confrontation can quickly involve a gun. Any road rage incident, youth soccer game argument, someone parked in front of your house that you don't feel should be there, an incorrect fast food order, someone bumping into you on the sidewalk or in a bar, etc.

    It will just get worse and worse until we pass laws to keep guns out of a lot of peoples hands.
    And, at least in some places, it'll be very hard to convict the shooter of anything. Good luck proving they were not feeling threatened.

    I'm cynical but I cannot imagine this is the world anyone actually wants. I guess it's just something they'll accept to lick NRA boot and get viewership by scaring people into thinking there's a threat around every corner.
    At some point the bodies will pile up high enough that the GOP won't be able to resist. Their arguments just won't hold water anymore. I really don't understand how we got here but I know it's related to money mostly.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

    to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

    the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita. 
    I’m curious to see a complete list of those 32 countries ahead of the US. (Not asking you to provide it, I can google). 

    It’s a valid point, I’m legit interested in it; but when I read that firearms were the leading cause of death among 1-19 year olds in America in 2020 and study after study showing the presence of a firearm in the home increases your odds of being shot… yeah, I’m going to look at the presence of and obsession with guns in our country as being the root of the problem. 
    yep, you stated it right there. presence of "and obsession with". that's culture. the number of guns is absolutely high on the list. I'm just saying it's not the sole reason, that's all. 
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