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Big 5 Palestra doubleheader tonight. Should be cool!Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila, PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24; Pittsburgh 5/16/25; Pittsburgh 5/18/25
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/160 -
Johnny Abruzzo said:Big 5 Palestra doubleheader tonight. Should be cool!Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila, PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24; Pittsburgh 5/16/25; Pittsburgh 5/18/25
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/160 -
Johnny Abruzzo said:Johnny Abruzzo said:Big 5 Palestra doubleheader tonight. Should be cool!0
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pjhawks said:Johnny Abruzzo said:Johnny Abruzzo said:Big 5 Palestra doubleheader tonight. Should be cool!Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila, PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24; Pittsburgh 5/16/25; Pittsburgh 5/18/25
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/160 -
Johnny Abruzzo said:pjhawks said:Johnny Abruzzo said:Johnny Abruzzo said:Big 5 Palestra doubleheader tonight. Should be cool!0
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Holy mackerel. I am praying Whitmore isn’t a one and done. This kid is the real deal. What a beast. Absolutely flawless shot.Let’s go Nova.www.myspace.com0
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Big 5 schools seeking to reimagine series scheduling for college basketball institution: Source
By Dana O'NeilThe Big 5 is not going to die, that’s the critical message Philadelphia hoops coaches and administrators want to send following a meeting about the beloved City Series this week. On Nov. 30 a sparse announced crowd of 3,300 attended a doubleheader at the Palestra, setting off alarm bells in the city about the future of the traditional hoops rivalry games.
- Representatives from Villanova, Temple, Saint Joseph’s, Penn, La Salle and Drexel have been meeting to figure out what the future is for the Big 5, a source involved in the conversations but not authorized to speak publicly told The Athletic.
- The realities of current college basketball schedules have led to struggles in making the city institution vibrant and relevant in recent years.
- The hope is to turn the games into a true event, with multiple options on the table for how to accomplish that, the source said.
What’s gone wrong?
The meeting, the source said, was not merely reactionary to those games. The group, including Drexel, has been meeting for months, trying to find a way to resuscitate the Big 5. But certainly, the coaches and administrators feel the heat for a call to action even more following the disappointing doubleheader. “It’s conversations about how to breathe life into it,’’ the source said.
Most critical — everyone is on board. Years ago, Villanova turned into the city villain when it cited conference scheduling conflicts and, in the eyes of many, temporarily killed the Big 5. The bitter feelings persisted for years, so bad that Rollie Massimino held a longtime grudge against the city that once loved him.
Those same scheduling conflicts persist — and frankly are even more complicated at some level — but the coaches and administrators are not looking for a way to end the Big 5, but rather, to save it. “We are all committed,’’ the source says. That includes Drexel, which is not an original Big 5 member but has been welcomed in as part of the City 6 and will be included in any scheduling going forward.
What are the options moving forward?
Finding a workable solution will require some creativity, the source admits. The Big 5 has been hurt by both a lack of competition and an overcrowded basketball calendar. As Villanova soared to national prominence, the Wildcats began to run roughshod over its Brotherly Love competitors. At one point, they owned a 25-game win streak, a record for the 63-year-old institution. Mix in swollen conference membership and league commitments — the Wildcats, for example, play in both the Gavitt Games and the Big 12/Big East Challenge — and more often than not, Big 5 games were arbitrarily shoehorned in where they fit, with little to no juice. Sometimes they’re played on campus, sometimes at the Palestra. Saint Joseph’s and La Salle are both part of the Atlantic 10, which makes discerning league battles from Big 5 games difficult.
It all led to a watered-down treatment of what was once a proud Philadelphia tradition, the seeming nadir coming at that doubleheader, when the schools didn’t even bring their bands to the Palestra.
Coaches and administrators are kicking around all sorts of ideas — there is still a desire to crown a Big 5 champion — including a two-day round-robin tournament at the Palestra. They’ve looked at various calendar dates — maybe during the holidays, or perhaps centering it around the Army–Navy game weekend in early December. The goal is to make it feel more like an event, and more specifically like a Philadelphia event. They are considering sponsorship and various ways to improve the branding, and incorporate all of the Big 5 entities — including the website and the Big 5 Hall of Fame — under one umbrella.
The goal — or at least the hope — is to find a remedy by next season.
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Cool. I didn't even know about that doubleheader until the day before. It could've been something to take the kids too with just a little time to plan.Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila, PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24; Pittsburgh 5/16/25; Pittsburgh 5/18/25
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/160 -
Johnny Abruzzo said:Cool. I didn't even know about that doubleheader until the day before. It could've been something to take the kids too with just a little time to plan.www.myspace.com0
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The Juggler said:Johnny Abruzzo said:Cool. I didn't even know about that doubleheader until the day before. It could've been something to take the kids too with just a little time to plan.0
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2-day tourney - so something like a triple-header featuring the City 6 for two straight days?
If they are scheduling for Army-Navy weekend it'd be Friday night and Saturday after the game or something like that? Or maybe the Army-Navy thing was a separate idea.
Yeah the teams need to be better. I think the Owls are coming around - they are still very young (and we don't have one-and-done guys). Fran just started with LaSalle so let's give that time. By my eye test St. Joe's stinks. Don't know anything about Penn. I think to get back to the days of 3 Big 5 teams in the Dance we probably need the tourney to expand, which sounds awful.Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila, PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24; Pittsburgh 5/16/25; Pittsburgh 5/18/25
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/160 -
Johnny Abruzzo said:2-day tourney - so something like a triple-header featuring the City 6 for two straight days?
If they are scheduling for Army-Navy weekend it'd be Friday night and Saturday after the game or something like that? Or maybe the Army-Navy thing was a separate idea.
Yeah the teams need to be better. I think the Owls are coming around - they are still very young (and we don't have one-and-done guys). Fran just started with LaSalle so let's give that time. By my eye test St. Joe's stinks. Don't know anything about Penn. I think to get back to the days of 3 Big 5 teams in the Dance we probably need the tourney to expand, which sounds awful.
The Hawks are pretty young but yes right now we suck. Young guys have ability but aren't ready for the level of D1 yet. Top 3 guards are freshman and sophomores. Firing Phil was the right move but hiring Lange has been a disaster. Big decision will have to be made at the end of the year this year on Lange. Good and local recruiting class coming in next year but can you keep around a guy who has won so little games in 4 years? School is getting new President as well so who knows how that affects Lange. Personally I thought they should have fired him after last season. It's beyond sad how bad it's gotten on Hawk Hill.0 -
Obviously a weekend of triple headers wouldn't be the full Big 5 Slate - don't think anyone said that...Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila, PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24; Pittsburgh 5/16/25; Pittsburgh 5/18/25
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/160 -
Okay I didn’t read the whole thing. They are looking to sort of replace the round robin with some sort of tournament. I like traditions but we’ll see how it goes.Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila, PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24; Pittsburgh 5/16/25; Pittsburgh 5/18/25
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/160 -
Johnny Abruzzo said:Okay I didn’t read the whole thing. They are looking to sort of replace the round robin with some sort of tournament. I like traditions but we’ll see how it goes.
But...and don't take this the wrong way...it will be awkward if there's always one team contending for a final four going up against 5 other teams who'd just happy making the tournament in March. Temple seems like they are on the right track though. I hope McKee can continue to build that program back up.
Regarding Penn----Jordan Dingle is really good. I was impressed with him the other night. He scored like all of Penn's points for about a 10 minute stretch at one point.www.myspace.com0 -
Either way there is still no "Big 5" or "City 6" or whatever in any other city. Nothing in Kansas, with KU, KSU and WSU. Nothing in NY, nothing in DC, nothing in LA. And yeah, the tourney idea does sound like more fun. We're America, we don't award things by regular season standings!Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila, PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24; Pittsburgh 5/16/25; Pittsburgh 5/18/25
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/160 -
So just about every Big 5 team is around .500 now. I guess you can say Temple is the best Big 5 team this year.
8/28/98- Camden, NJ
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PATres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA0 -
Johnny you beat the number 1 team in the country on their home court - no gloating here? This Temple team has to be maddening to you though. Beat Houston but lose to UMES and Wagner. If they can go on a little winning streak that win should at least get them into the discussion of the bubble. Probably have to win about 10 in a row though to get serious consideration
My Hawks on a 3 game winning streak all in the A10. Showing signs of improvement.0 -
yeah nice win for Temple. That was their first win against a #1 team since '00. They are probably the only team around here that makes the big dance (excluding Penn St. which has a good shot)
8/28/98- Camden, NJ
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PATres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA0 -
eeriepadave said:yeah nice win for Temple. That was their first win against a #1 team since '00. They are probably the only team around here that makes the big dance (excluding Penn St. which has a good shot)0
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