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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,625
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
    Probably because he hasn't been healthy the last 2 years 
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
    No he wanted out.  He didn't even give the Mets a chance to counter.  He just signed.

    So, the F U to DeGrom is to give Verlander all that money.
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    Not surprised that JV moved on. Very thankful for the way he pitched for the Astros & wish him the best with the Mets. Houston has a strong rotation & that money will be used elsewhere.
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,520
    edited December 2022
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
    No he wanted out.  He didn't even give the Mets a chance to counter.  He just signed.

    So, the F U to DeGrom is to give Verlander all that money.
    He got more guaranteed years and money. I think it's pretty easy to figure out. Verlander is getting less money than DeGrom, even if his 3rd year vests.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,520
    Ha just realized DeGrom isn't done getting paid by the Mets, either. He'll collect $52M between the ages of 47 of 51.
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Ha just realized DeGrom isn't done getting paid by the Mets, either. He'll collect $52M between the ages of 47 of 51.
    Oh good, we can replace Bobby Bonilla day with Jacob Degrom day!
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    Seems like what will eventually be another bonehead Mets move. JV is a great pitcher, but he's 39 and 2 years removed from TJ surgery. Plus, I don't think history has fared well on this other tidbit Verlander shares with a select few:

    Verlander is the sixth reigning Cy Young winner to sign with a new team as a free agent. The others:


    Maddux obviously did fine long after and Catfish had 1 more stellar year, but they were all 10 years younger too. Good luck struggling for a wild card spot.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,520
    I think the Mets will Mets it specifically because they're the Mets.

    Beyond that I think one year of Verlander at 40 years old is reasonable for the return. It's everything after that. Looking at it - the guy is pretty legendary at this point. Not trying too hard here but I feel like the only comp is Nolan back in the day? And he was on another level between performance and longevity. 
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,625
    Trea Turner to the Phillies
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    igotid88 said:
    Trea Turner to the Phillies

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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    edited December 2022
    tbergs said:
    Seems like what will eventually be another bonehead Mets move. JV is a great pitcher, but he's 39 and 2 years removed from TJ surgery. Plus, I don't think history has fared well on this other tidbit Verlander shares with a select few:

    Verlander is the sixth reigning Cy Young winner to sign with a new team as a free agent. The others:


    Maddux obviously did fine long after and Catfish had 1 more stellar year, but they were all 10 years younger too. Good luck struggling for a wild card spot.
    Randy Johnson?

    NVMD.  Johnson and Clemens went to new teams and got Cy Youngs.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
    No he wanted out.  He didn't even give the Mets a chance to counter.  He just signed.

    So, the F U to DeGrom is to give Verlander all that money.
    He got more guaranteed years and money. I think it's pretty easy to figure out. Verlander is getting less money than DeGrom, even if his 3rd year vests.
    Again...  He NEVER, Degrom, gave the Meats a chance to counter.  He took the Rangers deal and ran out of town.  DeGrom did not want to be in NY anymore.  That is pretty easy to figure out.
  • tempo_n_groove
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    igotid88 said:
    Trea Turner to the Phillies
    Hell of a pick up for them wow!
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,520
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
    No he wanted out.  He didn't even give the Mets a chance to counter.  He just signed.

    So, the F U to DeGrom is to give Verlander all that money.
    He got more guaranteed years and money. I think it's pretty easy to figure out. Verlander is getting less money than DeGrom, even if his 3rd year vests.
    Again...  He NEVER, Degrom, gave the Meats a chance to counter.  He took the Rangers deal and ran out of town.  DeGrom did not want to be in NY anymore.  That is pretty easy to figure out.
    The Mets gave less money to Justin Verlander than Jacob deGrom received from the Texas Rangers.
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    Turner is a game changer for Philly. Congrats to all of the Philly fans!
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,625
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
    No he wanted out.  He didn't even give the Mets a chance to counter.  He just signed.

    So, the F U to DeGrom is to give Verlander all that money.
    He got more guaranteed years and money. I think it's pretty easy to figure out. Verlander is getting less money than DeGrom, even if his 3rd year vests.
    Again...  He NEVER, Degrom, gave the Meats a chance to counter.  He took the Rangers deal and ran out of town.  DeGrom did not want to be in NY anymore.  That is pretty easy to figure out.
    The Mets gave less money to Justin Verlander than Jacob deGrom received from the Texas Rangers.
    Only because of his age. JV getting more per year
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,520
    igotid88 said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
    No he wanted out.  He didn't even give the Mets a chance to counter.  He just signed.

    So, the F U to DeGrom is to give Verlander all that money.
    He got more guaranteed years and money. I think it's pretty easy to figure out. Verlander is getting less money than DeGrom, even if his 3rd year vests.
    Again...  He NEVER, Degrom, gave the Meats a chance to counter.  He took the Rangers deal and ran out of town.  DeGrom did not want to be in NY anymore.  That is pretty easy to figure out.
    The Mets gave less money to Justin Verlander than Jacob deGrom received from the Texas Rangers.
    Only because of his age. JV getting more per year
    Right - and vice versa JV would not get 5 years at that AAV. At the end of the day deGrom got more guaranteed money, which is dependent on years, which the Mets were obviously not going to do.
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,625
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
    No he wanted out.  He didn't even give the Mets a chance to counter.  He just signed.

    So, the F U to DeGrom is to give Verlander all that money.
    He got more guaranteed years and money. I think it's pretty easy to figure out. Verlander is getting less money than DeGrom, even if his 3rd year vests.
    Again...  He NEVER, Degrom, gave the Meats a chance to counter.  He took the Rangers deal and ran out of town.  DeGrom did not want to be in NY anymore.  That is pretty easy to figure out.
    The Mets gave less money to Justin Verlander than Jacob deGrom received from the Texas Rangers.
    Only because of his age. JV getting more per year
    Right - and vice versa JV would not get 5 years at that AAV. At the end of the day deGrom got more guaranteed money, which is dependent on years, which the Mets were obviously not going to do.
    If he was 34 he might. They gave Scherzer $43 million a year for 3 at 37 years old.
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,520
    igotid88 said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
    No he wanted out.  He didn't even give the Mets a chance to counter.  He just signed.

    So, the F U to DeGrom is to give Verlander all that money.
    He got more guaranteed years and money. I think it's pretty easy to figure out. Verlander is getting less money than DeGrom, even if his 3rd year vests.
    Again...  He NEVER, Degrom, gave the Meats a chance to counter.  He took the Rangers deal and ran out of town.  DeGrom did not want to be in NY anymore.  That is pretty easy to figure out.
    The Mets gave less money to Justin Verlander than Jacob deGrom received from the Texas Rangers.
    Only because of his age. JV getting more per year
    Right - and vice versa JV would not get 5 years at that AAV. At the end of the day deGrom got more guaranteed money, which is dependent on years, which the Mets were obviously not going to do.
    If he was 34 he might. They gave Scherzer $43 million a year for 3 at 37 years old.
    Most likely. I'm sure the Mets would have been fine giving deGrom the Scherzer deal. The Mets are fine paying guys higher AAVs for less years, especially those with a sketchy injury history. Scherzer's 3/129 isn't the 5/185 deGrom got. Point I'm making is the idea that deGrom high tailed it out of New York because he wanted out of New York is nonsensical. He high tailed it out of New York because evidently no one else was giving more guaranteed money to a guy that hasn't been able to stay healthy, other than the Rangers.
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
    No he wanted out.  He didn't even give the Mets a chance to counter.  He just signed.

    So, the F U to DeGrom is to give Verlander all that money.
    He got more guaranteed years and money. I think it's pretty easy to figure out. Verlander is getting less money than DeGrom, even if his 3rd year vests.
    Again...  He NEVER, Degrom, gave the Meats a chance to counter.  He took the Rangers deal and ran out of town.  DeGrom did not want to be in NY anymore.  That is pretty easy to figure out.
    The Mets gave less money to Justin Verlander than Jacob deGrom received from the Texas Rangers.
    Only because of his age. JV getting more per year
    Right - and vice versa JV would not get 5 years at that AAV. At the end of the day deGrom got more guaranteed money, which is dependent on years, which the Mets were obviously not going to do.
    Rangers are another organization I just scratch my head at.
    It's a hopeless situation...

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