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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,960
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 18,031
    Yeah, the 2 rings (plus an ALCS MVP) for Kirby trump Donnie Backache's 1 league MVP.

    Their career stats otherwise are pretty similar, but being a winner is important.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,864
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Wobbie said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    @wobbie what do you think?
    the mattingly is the better statue but randall is more HOF worthy. I kinda hated him since he played for the iggles but he’s probably UNLV’s most famous FB alum….too bad they had to forfeit all the wins in his senior season!
    Yeah, as a fan I loved Cunningham.  Now, living in the Philly area, the jerseys I like to see at the games are the Kelly Green Cunninghams.
    Dude was a badass.
    The day before Thanksgiving NFL network had an only Thanksgiving day game between the Cowboys and Vikings going.  Randy Moss rookie year.  You know what that meant...some RC moon shots to RM.
    He wasn't a super runner any longer but dude had arm, all day long.  All day.

    Who was better:
    Don Mattingly
    Or
    Kirby Puckett

    ???

    That's a good one.

    I am still shocked that Puckett is in.

    It's a push.  Neither one is better than the other.  If you had to do a tiebreaker Mattingly has the MVP.
    I'm shocked that you're shocked by this. I'd be more inclined to argue for Mattingly being in the HOF than I would to argue that Puckett shouldn't be. Though I personally wouldn't make either of those arguments. 
    When he first was up for it I couldn't believe he got in.  His numbers do not support it.

    He was beloved by everyone though.
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,776
    The World Series is a team accomplishment. So it shouldn't hinder someone's chances. MVPs are not determined by what a player does in the post season
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,776
    edited December 2022
    You could make a case for Albert Belle. Whether he was juicing or not. I don't know. 
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 18,031
    And the all-time greats have the ability to carry their team to some level of post season success, not one losing series over an entire career for the winningest franchise in history.
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,776
    Poncier said:
    And the all-time greats have the ability to carry their team to some level of post season success, not one losing series over an entire career for the winningest franchise in history.
    So Ernie Banks doesn't belong in the Hall then?
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,014
    Poncier said:
    And the all-time greats have the ability to carry their team to some level of post season success, not one losing series over an entire career for the winningest franchise in history.
    There's only so much a guy can do in baseball though. Look at Ken Griffey Jr. If he can't carry his teams to post-season success, there's no chance someone like Mattingly could.

    For Hall of Fames, I'm big on crediting guys for their post-season success (Curt Schilling for example), but I don't take away from someone that doesn't have any. So in the Mattingly/Puckett comparison, I wouldn't move Mattingly down any notches for having little post-season success, but I'd bump Puckett up for having it...if that makes sense. 
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 18,031
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Poncier said:
    And the all-time greats have the ability to carry their team to some level of post season success, not one losing series over an entire career for the winningest franchise in history.
    . So in the Mattingly/Puckett comparison, I wouldn't move Mattingly down any notches for having little post-season success, but I'd bump Puckett up for having it...if that makes sense. 
    Makes perfect sense and pretty much encapsulates my viewpoint here.

    2 borderline at best candidates. One has postseason success, bumps up enough to get in. The other has none, stays on the outside where he belongs.
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 18,031
    igotid88 said:
    Poncier said:
    And the all-time greats have the ability to carry their team to some level of post season success, not one losing series over an entire career for the winningest franchise in history.
    So Ernie Banks doesn't belong in the Hall then?
    If Donnie Backbreak had hit over 500 HRs he'd be in. Ridiculous comparison
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,776
    Poncier said:
    igotid88 said:
    Poncier said:
    And the all-time greats have the ability to carry their team to some level of post season success, not one losing series over an entire career for the winningest franchise in history.
    So Ernie Banks doesn't belong in the Hall then?
    If Donnie Backbreak had hit over 500 HRs he'd be in. Ridiculous comparison
    Well if he had played 19 seasons he might have.
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,776
    Poncier said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Poncier said:
    And the all-time greats have the ability to carry their team to some level of post season success, not one losing series over an entire career for the winningest franchise in history.
    . So in the Mattingly/Puckett comparison, I wouldn't move Mattingly down any notches for having little post-season success, but I'd bump Puckett up for having it...if that makes sense. 
    Makes perfect sense and pretty much encapsulates my viewpoint here.

    2 borderline at best candidates. One has postseason success, bumps up enough to get in. The other has none, stays on the outside where he belongs.
    Then why isn't David Cone in then?
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 18,031
    igotid88 said:
    Poncier said:
    igotid88 said:
    Poncier said:
    And the all-time greats have the ability to carry their team to some level of post season success, not one losing series over an entire career for the winningest franchise in history.
    So Ernie Banks doesn't belong in the Hall then?
    If Donnie Backbreak had hit over 500 HRs he'd be in. Ridiculous comparison
    Well if he had played 19 seasons he might have.
    He played 14 seasons and hit 222, so you think he was gonna hit almost 300 HR's in 5 seasons in his late 30's?
    Wow.
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 18,031
    igotid88 said:
    Poncier said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Poncier said:
    And the all-time greats have the ability to carry their team to some level of post season success, not one losing series over an entire career for the winningest franchise in history.
    . So in the Mattingly/Puckett comparison, I wouldn't move Mattingly down any notches for having little post-season success, but I'd bump Puckett up for having it...if that makes sense. 
    Makes perfect sense and pretty much encapsulates my viewpoint here.

    2 borderline at best candidates. One has postseason success, bumps up enough to get in. The other has none, stays on the outside where he belongs.
    Then why isn't David Cone in then?
    David Cone? OK now you're just fucking with me, right?
    Or the pinstripe colored glasses are so thick you can't see clearly.
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,776
    Poncier said:
    igotid88 said:
    Poncier said:
    igotid88 said:
    Poncier said:
    And the all-time greats have the ability to carry their team to some level of post season success, not one losing series over an entire career for the winningest franchise in history.
    So Ernie Banks doesn't belong in the Hall then?
    If Donnie Backbreak had hit over 500 HRs he'd be in. Ridiculous comparison
    Well if he had played 19 seasons he might have.
    He played 14 seasons and hit 222, so you think he was gonna hit almost 300 HR's in 5 seasons in his late 30's?
    Wow.
    Again. You're not taking into account the injury. And maybe he would have taken hgh or steroids by then to further his career. And even if not the hrs he would have had 3000 hits or close to it. Over 500 doubles. A .300 average. His MVP. Had 9 Gold Gloves. So possibly 3-5 more. A possible 4 World Series championships if everything else played out the same. 
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 18,031
    igotid88 said:
    Poncier said:
    igotid88 said:
    Poncier said:
    igotid88 said:
    Poncier said:
    And the all-time greats have the ability to carry their team to some level of post season success, not one losing series over an entire career for the winningest franchise in history.
    So Ernie Banks doesn't belong in the Hall then?
    If Donnie Backbreak had hit over 500 HRs he'd be in. Ridiculous comparison
    Well if he had played 19 seasons he might have.
    He played 14 seasons and hit 222, so you think he was gonna hit almost 300 HR's in 5 seasons in his late 30's?
    Wow.
    Again. You're not taking into account the injury. And maybe he would have taken hgh or steroids by then to further his career. And even if not the hrs he would have had 3000 hits or close to it. Over 500 doubles. A .300 average. His MVP. Had 9 Gold Gloves. So possibly 3-5 more. A possible 4 World Series championships if everything else played out the same. 
    Once again, if the queen had balls, she'd be king.
    You get entry into the Hall based on what you did, not what maybe you could have done.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,864
    I'd put JR Richard, Mo Vaugh, Prince Fielder, Don Mattingly, Jose Fernandez, Thurman Munson, Bo Jackson all go on the "What If list".

    Am I forgetting anybody?
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 18,031
    tempo_n_groove said:
    I'd put JR Richard, Mo Vaugh, Prince Fielder, Don Mattingly, Jose Fernandez, Thurman Munson, Bo Jackson all go on the "What If list".

    Am I forgetting anybody?
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,776
    Poncier said:
    igotid88 said:
    Poncier said:
    igotid88 said:
    Poncier said:
    igotid88 said:
    Poncier said:
    And the all-time greats have the ability to carry their team to some level of post season success, not one losing series over an entire career for the winningest franchise in history.
    So Ernie Banks doesn't belong in the Hall then?
    If Donnie Backbreak had hit over 500 HRs he'd be in. Ridiculous comparison
    Well if he had played 19 seasons he might have.
    He played 14 seasons and hit 222, so you think he was gonna hit almost 300 HR's in 5 seasons in his late 30's?
    Wow.
    Again. You're not taking into account the injury. And maybe he would have taken hgh or steroids by then to further his career. And even if not the hrs he would have had 3000 hits or close to it. Over 500 doubles. A .300 average. His MVP. Had 9 Gold Gloves. So possibly 3-5 more. A possible 4 World Series championships if everything else played out the same. 
    Once again, if the queen had balls, she'd be king.
    You get entry into the Hall based on what you did, not what maybe you could have done.
    Again. What he did was still pretty good.? Enough to get brought up time and again for a vote. Koufax is in for what he could have done. Kirby is in for what he could have done. I understood why he isn't in. But if players whom I believe he is better than are getting in. Then why not him? He was a dominant player who was still a good player by the time he retired prematurely. 
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,776
    tempo_n_groove said:
    I'd put JR Richard, Mo Vaugh, Prince Fielder, Don Mattingly, Jose Fernandez, Thurman Munson, Bo Jackson all go on the "What If list".

    Am I forgetting anybody?
    I don't know about Bo. He was more of a hr guy. But he wasn't a good hitter. 
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