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Manchester 4-6-2000, can you answer me a question or two?

reaching handsreaching hands Posts: 370
edited March 2007 in Given To Fly (live)
just got hold of bootleg of this show thinking, 'can't wait!', i was dissapointed

what was the actual atmosphere like? because it sounds dead and the band sounds really sloppy not to mention ed and stone having a little 'tension', sounds like a night where rarely things DON'T go together

plus did i hear something wrong?, did daughter not have a tag on it?

leeds 26/08/06....electric
paris 11/09/06.....crushed...but estatic
wembley 18/06/07.....oh yes

'listen...you can hear the sustain...you just hold that note and you can go get a bite whilst its still going'

the legend , nigel tufnell
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    DercheefDercheef Germany Posts: 732
    I wasn't there but this is what twofeetthick.com says:

    06/04/00 - Manchester Evening News Arena: Manchester, England [132m]
    attendance: 21,000
    support act: The Vandals
    soundcheck: Light Years, Timeless Melody x 2, Fuckin' Up, Spin The Black Circle, Blood, God's Dice, Breakerfall
    set: Of The Girl, Breakerfall, Grievance, Corduroy, Light Years, Go, Given To Fly, Evacuation, Even Flow, Daughter, Animal, Wishlist, Nothingman, Better Man, Insignificance, Rearviewmirror
    enc 1: Last Exit, Once, Black, Timeless Melody, State of Love And Trust, Fuckin' Up
    enc 2: Leatherman, Footsteps, Do The Evolution, Garden, Yellow Ledbetter
    notes: EVERYONE is on tonight. Ed flubs the lyrics to the second verse of 'Even Flow' AGAIN. Prior to 'Given to Fly,' Ed says they are going to play it "under protest." 'Thin Air' is on the setlist but as Stone gets ready to play it, he breaks a string, and we get 'Wishlist' instead, after which Ed refers to Stone as his "archnemesis." Later, when they come out for the first encore, Ed asks for lights and then he and Stone hug, after which someone throws a half full beer at Stone, prompting Ed to say "if anyone fucks with him I'll kick your fuckin ass!" When they came out for the second encore, Ed said something to the fact that they would only be playing rarities and said about 'Leatherman' that they had trouble learning it because they "couldn't even find it." 'Footsteps' featured the bluesy solo on harmonica, Ed sings the entire second half with his eyes intently closed. During 'Garden' Ed drops the second "I don't show/ I don't share" lines, and holds the last "stone" for what seems to be forever. Apparently only 'Fuckin' Up' and 'Ledbetter' are on the encore setlist; the rest of the songs were audience requests, chosen on the spot by the band!
    2006:Arnhem,Bern,Berlin
    2007:München,Düsseldorf,Nijmegen
    2008:NY1,NY2,Mansfield1,Mansfield2
    2009:London,Rotterdam,Berlin,Manchester,London
    2010:NY1,NY2,Dublin,Belfast,Berlin
    2011:PJ20,Montreal,TorontoI+II,Hamilton
    2012:Amsterdam I+II, Prague, Berlin I+II, Stockholm, Oslo, Copenhagen
    2013: Phoenix, San Diego, LA I+II, Oakland
    2014: Amsterdam I+II, Vienna, Berlin
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    wow. seems a bizzarre gig

    leeds 26/08/06....electric
    paris 11/09/06.....crushed...but estatic
    wembley 18/06/07.....oh yes

    'listen...you can hear the sustain...you just hold that note and you can go get a bite whilst its still going'

    the legend , nigel tufnell
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    i don't think the boot did the show any justice at all. i love the boot because it was the night i saw the band for the first time live. but i don't remember it being so quiet, but still happy times.
    MANCHESTER 2000
    LEEDS 2006
    WEMBLEY 2007
    MANCHESTER 2009
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    i don't think the boot did the show any justice at all. i love the boot because it was the night i saw the band for the first time live. but i don't remember it being so quiet, but still happy times.

    i liked the 'fucking mancestarians' quote

    leeds 26/08/06....electric
    paris 11/09/06.....crushed...but estatic
    wembley 18/06/07.....oh yes

    'listen...you can hear the sustain...you just hold that note and you can go get a bite whilst its still going'

    the legend , nigel tufnell
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    louichicklouichick Posts: 13
    Was there that nite and it was 1 of my favorite shows!
    The stone vs ed thing seemed in good faith,just banter!
    The beer (stella) was unopened that was thrown at stone,ed went and fetched it opened it and took a large swig,kind of did a errr expression grabbed his bottle of wine and lofted it above his head to the crowd.
    They seemed to play for ages.Was superb.
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    Wembley 1996
    Wembley 2000
    Manchester MEN 2000
    London Astoria 2006
    Prague 2006
    Met them 2006(no joke!)
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    Peter CPeter C Posts: 238
    just got hold of bootleg of this show thinking, 'can't wait!', i was dissapointed

    what was the actual atmosphere like? because it sounds dead and the band sounds really sloppy not to mention ed and stone having a little 'tension', sounds like a night where rarely things DON'T go together

    plus did i hear something wrong?, did daughter not have a tag on it?

    I guess this is a silly question but what's a Tag???
    London 1996 Cardiff 2000 Paris 2006 and London 2007.
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    Housing JimHousing Jim Posts: 644
    Due to being away when the tickets went on sale, I was at right at the back of the arena in the seats and where I was the majority of the crowd were quite unresponsive but if as anyone who has been to the Manchester ENA will know, if you're at the back of the hall, the stage is almost in a different postal code and the band looked like ants.

    That said, it was a good show if a little unspectacular from so far away. I remember that most folk in the seats down each side of the hall were on their feet. The setlist was great, and like someone else said, they seemed to be on for ages, I think in reality they actually played for about 2 hours, 20 minutes.

    I remember Even Flow being very good and Nothingman being a really nice moment in the show and Fuckin Up being the most rock moment of the night :)

    My ex-wife was not impressed and actually managed to fall asleep during the encores. That's not why we broke up by the way.
    A democracy on paper, apparently well ordered, regularly subverted by irrational chaos.

    Manchester - 4/6/2000
    London - 20/4/2006
    Dublin - 23/8/2006
    London - 18/6/2007
    New York City - 24/6/2008
    New York City - 25/6/2008 - we will be "what is up" New York
    Manchester - 18/8/2009
    Manchester - 20/6/2012
    Leeds - 6/7/2014
    London - 18/6/2018
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    mole1985mole1985 Posts: 1,119
    Best Yellow ledbetter i have heard on a bootleg. Timeless melody was great as well, turns out my friend's cousin was in the LA's.
    Dublin 2006
    Katowice 2007
    London 2007
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    Peter C wrote:
    I guess this is a silly question but what's a Tag???

    as in extra song sample/bit/chorus...like when they 'tag' 'its ok' or 'brick in the wall' on the end of daughter

    leeds 26/08/06....electric
    paris 11/09/06.....crushed...but estatic
    wembley 18/06/07.....oh yes

    'listen...you can hear the sustain...you just hold that note and you can go get a bite whilst its still going'

    the legend , nigel tufnell
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    Irish AlIrish Al Posts: 6,236
    I thought this was an amazing gig :D
    I need a coffee!
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    TwigsterTwigster Posts: 39
    I was there - it rocked.

    Not one to name-drop, but, I saw them in Toronto later in the year, and met Jeff the following day in a shop down town - I mentioned that I'd seen them in M'cr, and he said that it was a good show. (OK, he probably says that to everyone he meets!!).
    Brixton Academy, London: 14/07/93
    Wembley Arena, London: 29/10/96
    MEN Arena, Manchester: 04/06/00
    Air Canada Centre, Toronto: 05/10/00
    ISS Dome, Dusseldorf: 21/06/07

    Brad: Phoenix Theatre, Toronto: 31/10/02
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    EraserheadEraserhead Stoke-on-Trent Posts: 2,851
    Due to being away when the tickets went on sale, I was at right at the back of the arena in the seats and where I was the majority of the crowd were quite unresponsive but if as anyone who has been to the Manchester ENA will know, if you're at the back of the hall, the stage is almost in a different postal code and the band looked like ants.

    God, yeah! I got my ticket via a local independent record shop. It was a ticket/coach package. The shop went into liquidation about a week before the show! Fortunetly I had my ticket already, but the coach travel didn't go ahead (I still don't know why...). Anyho, I found out a guy I worked with was also going and he very kindly gave me a lift.

    It was the greatest gig I've ever been too. Until Leeds last year, of course.

    Love the boot, so many great moments.

    "At least I know the words to Stone's..." - Eddie (fuckin' up) Wishlist :D
    Manchester 04.06.00, Leeds 25.08.06, Wembley 18.06.07, Dusseldorf 21.06.07, Shepherds Bush 11.08.09, Manchester 17.08.09, Adelaide 17.11.09, Melbourne 20.11.09, Sydney 22.11.09, Brisbane 25.11.09, MSG1 20.05.10, MSG2 21.05.10, Dublin 22.06.10, Belfast 23.06.10, London 25.06.10, Long Beach 06.07.11 (EV), Los Angeles 08.07.11 (EV), Toronto 11.09.11, Toronto 12.09.11, Ottawa 14.09.11, Hamilton 14.09.11, Manchester 20.06.12, Manchester 21.06.12, Amsterdam 26.06.2012, Amsterdam 27.06.2012, Berlin 04.07.12, Berlin 05.07.12, Stockholm 07.07.12, Oslo 09.07.12, Copenhagen 10.07.12, Manchester 28.07.12 (EV), Brooklyn 18.10.13, Brooklyn 19.10.13, Philly 21.10.13, Philly 22.10.13, San Diego 21.11.13, LA 23.11.13, LA 24.11.13, Oakland 26.11.13, Portland 29.11.13, Spokane 30.11.13, Calgary 02.12.13, Vancouver 04.12.13, Seattle 06.12.13, Trieste 22.06.14, Vienna 25.06.14, Berlin 26.06.14, Stockholm 28.06.14, Leeds 08.07.14, Philly 28.04.16, Philly 28.04.16, MSG1 01.05.16, MSG2 02.05.16
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    so02seeso02see Posts: 236
    just got hold of bootleg of this show thinking, 'can't wait!', i was dissapointed

    what was the actual atmosphere like? because it sounds dead and the band sounds really sloppy not to mention ed and stone having a little 'tension', sounds like a night where rarely things DON'T go together

    plus did i hear something wrong?, did daughter not have a tag on it?


    Don't let your ears deceive you it was awesome. OK so it was the first time I had seen them and I had been waiting for a very long time but I don't think my experience was distorted by it being a dream come true. It has taken me a while to find this out which is a review my hubby wrote for all our unfortunate freinds who couldnt get tickets. We were in the seats right beside the stage too so we got the full force of enthusiasm from the band. I should say he was a Motorhead fan, so don't be too hard on his initial perceptions. He has wised up now. I hope it answers your question.

    Manchester Arena 4/6/2000 20:30

    Pearl Jam have always confounded me in that I was not sure I believed their anti rock star stance. I had my suspicions that their image may have been composed of faux humility and conscience. A politically correct but contrived attitude to corner a particular demographic in the quest for album sales and self justification. No more so than in the person of Eddie Vedder, who in the brooding and tortured artist persona always seemed too much like a cliché. No one gets into the music industry without a healthy ego! Or do they?

    I understand now, after last night. After one song I had no alternative but to set down my preconceived critical baggage and recognise I was completely wrong. I have never been to a show like this concert before in my life. I have seen some amazing bands and legendary performances over the years, but what I saw last night was completely different from anything I've ever seen before.

    I saw a band so in touch with each other that there appeared to be a harmonic communion between them. They produced music that while it was precisely defined and artistically accomplished, was a fluid almost organic force that ran between each of them. And Edward V, brilliant as he is, was not only the singer but also the fan. All too often you will see a front man killing time when they're not singing during an instrumental only part of a song, because they're not centre stage. When Pearl Jam were at such moments in various songs Mr Vedder would be entranced by the performance of his band mates, hanging on the resonance of each note. Looking like one of the fans on the front row, transported to that place of emotional inspiration that only music can bring you to. There was no ego, no 'I'm the talent' attitude, this was a band greater than the sum of its parts and each one of them not only recognised it, but revelled in it.
    Perhaps this is what accounts for the tangible truth of the performance. Unfettered by narcissistic compulsions, on stage Pearl Jam are completely their music, one with their art. Their audiences understand the band and what they are about, and I think I do now. No ones there for a light show, or the hit single, they’re there for the unity that makes this band what they are, that flows from the stage washing over the audience making everyone part of something special. Pearl Jam.
    Manchester 2000. Leeds 2006. Wembley 2007
    SBE/O2 London/Manchester UK/Seattle 2/LA 2/Philadelphia 2/3/4 2009
    MSG 1 & 2 2010. Dublin / Belfast / Hyde Park 2010
    Eddie solo NY 1 & 2 2011
    PJ20 weekend & My Birthday party 4th Sept
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    gig topgig top Posts: 2
    was at manchester and it was so much better than the cd, i think the sound on cd is a bit 'thin'
    2 highlights were garden which remains the best song i heard live, the softer chorus sent shivers down my spine! also playing ledbetter with all the arena lights on at the end, and just mike left on the stage, was awesome!
    the banter with ed and stone was all in good fun, like he said they were just like brothers.
    before i went to that gig i hadnt 'got' binaural, didnt understand it, but listening to it again after the gig, it made so much more sense!
    up here so high the sky i scrape.....

    manc 00
    london 06
    leeds 06
    london 07.....

    cant get much higher!
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    The European 2000 bootlegs have no balls. That might have affected your judgement.
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    EraserheadEraserhead Stoke-on-Trent Posts: 2,851
    gig top wrote:
    before i went to that gig i hadnt 'got' binaural, didnt understand it, but listening to it again after the gig, it made so much more sense!

    Makes much more sense, in the present tense...
    Manchester 04.06.00, Leeds 25.08.06, Wembley 18.06.07, Dusseldorf 21.06.07, Shepherds Bush 11.08.09, Manchester 17.08.09, Adelaide 17.11.09, Melbourne 20.11.09, Sydney 22.11.09, Brisbane 25.11.09, MSG1 20.05.10, MSG2 21.05.10, Dublin 22.06.10, Belfast 23.06.10, London 25.06.10, Long Beach 06.07.11 (EV), Los Angeles 08.07.11 (EV), Toronto 11.09.11, Toronto 12.09.11, Ottawa 14.09.11, Hamilton 14.09.11, Manchester 20.06.12, Manchester 21.06.12, Amsterdam 26.06.2012, Amsterdam 27.06.2012, Berlin 04.07.12, Berlin 05.07.12, Stockholm 07.07.12, Oslo 09.07.12, Copenhagen 10.07.12, Manchester 28.07.12 (EV), Brooklyn 18.10.13, Brooklyn 19.10.13, Philly 21.10.13, Philly 22.10.13, San Diego 21.11.13, LA 23.11.13, LA 24.11.13, Oakland 26.11.13, Portland 29.11.13, Spokane 30.11.13, Calgary 02.12.13, Vancouver 04.12.13, Seattle 06.12.13, Trieste 22.06.14, Vienna 25.06.14, Berlin 26.06.14, Stockholm 28.06.14, Leeds 08.07.14, Philly 28.04.16, Philly 28.04.16, MSG1 01.05.16, MSG2 02.05.16
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