The Queen dies

Cropduster-80 said:

lastexitlondon said:

Its  a fascinating debate. I see both sides. Historically fascinating  but on a day to day level trying to survive, its a big waste of money 

I disagree on the money.

first if you dissolve the monarchy they still own what they own. They did turn over the crown estate to the government and take a salary from that. In that sense the government comes out way ahead as do the taxpayers.  Otherwise it’s no monarchy and they are just rich landowners (or someone else is if you seize it and privatise it). That’s been the status quo for a really long time 

I believe they (the crown estate)basically own all of regent street for example. That revenue is the governments among other things.  It appears the treasury has a flow of money they wouldn’t otherwise have 

im paraphrasing as I don’t know all the details but it’s not the economic drain it appears to be.or at least that’s my understanding 

then you have tourism and economic benefits to keeping close ties to the commonwealth.  Without the monarchy there is literally nothing to keep them connected to the UK.  Not even talking about the imperialist past, advanced democracies like Australia and Canada.  That is beneficial to the UK no doubt.  Maybe not as beneficial if you are Canadian or Australian but I have to think it’s good for the UK 

I tend to think ticket revenue at Windsor castle as one example would be a lot less if it was an empty building. Certainly 2 million people a year wouldn’t buy tickets. Having been to Windsor I can’t imagine another reason anyone would go there as there is plenty to do in London.  It’s a tourist hotspot. My American family, that’s where they wanted to go anytime someone visited. I probably had to go 10 times.  Tower of London was way more convenient but that was way down the list as no one lives there 

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

lastexitlondon said:

Its  a fascinating debate. I see both sides. Historically fascinating  but on a day to day level trying to survive, its a big waste of money 

I disagree on the money.

first if you dissolve the monarchy they still own what they own. They did turn over the crown estate to the government and take a salary from that. In that sense the government comes out way ahead as do the taxpayers.  Otherwise it’s no monarchy and they are just rich landowners (or someone else is if you seize it and privatise it). That’s been the status quo for a really long time 

I believe they (the crown estate)basically own all of regent street for example. That revenue is the governments among other things.  It appears the treasury has a flow of money they wouldn’t otherwise have 

im paraphrasing as I don’t know all the details but it’s not the economic drain it appears to be.or at least that’s my understanding 

then you have tourism and economic benefits to keeping close ties to the commonwealth.  Without the monarchy there is literally nothing to keep them connected to the UK.  Not even talking about the imperialist past, advanced democracies like Australia and Canada.  That is beneficial to the UK no doubt.  Maybe not as beneficial if you are Canadian or Australian but I have to think it’s good for the UK 

I tend to think ticket revenue at Windsor castle as one example would be a lot less if it was an empty building. Certainly 2 million people a year wouldn’t buy tickets. Having been to Windsor I can’t imagine another reason anyone would go there as there is plenty to do in London.  It’s a tourist hotspot. My American family, that’s where they wanted to go anytime someone visited. I probably had to go 10 times.  Tower of London was way more convenient but that was way down the list as no one lives there 

Thats a good way to think of it. I've always thought it was kind of pointless, and therefore a waste of money too. But if it was all originally part of their family's estate anyway, I guess it doesn't make much of a financial difference.
I learned from watching Dowton Abby that I really have little idea how this whole royal family thing works. I guess instead of being a rich private family who choses who to pass your fortune on to, the government has predetermined all of that for you.

The commonwealth pays the crown if I remember correctly?  So if Canada for example is in, then they pay a duty to the crown.

Yes, but according to Cropduster (and typing his name I just realized for the first time what it actually is, ha ha), the crown handed over their estate to the government to manage and pay for their way of life. SO in theory is supposed to be self-sustaining I guess, and not come from taxpayers. 

It’s great for businesses as they don’t have to pay a celebrity endorsement and they also have to be good to the environment.  Win win 

all of that adds money to the economy for free

Used to be only the queen, Philip, and Charles. I suppose now it will be Charles, Camilla, and William 

If they got paid for that, surely it would vastly exceed their royal allowance.  


I just opened my fridge and look what I have imported from the uk.  a product endorsed by the royal household 😂

Cropduster-80 said:

23scidoo said:

She could save him..she didn't..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evagoras_Pallikarides

isn’t it a bit ironic that he wasn’t just fighting for independence but for an end to british rule so Greece could annex Cyprus? Isn’t  that just trading one imperial power for another?

there has been a lot of imperialism historically on the part of Greece as well. Some factions even support reconstituting parts the Byzantine empire based on past territorial claims by Greece.  Those ideas seem to come up anytime there is an opportunity to expand. Cyprus being a somewhat recent example.

In 1974  Greece was still trying to overthrow the government of independent Cyprus 

golden dawn today supports the concept of “the Megali Idea”, which in practice is basically what Russia is actually doing with former Russian lands.  For example, if you speak Russian, and Russia use to control it then Russia is entitled to control it today.  It’s imperialist ideology no question 

the death of the queen undoubtedly will bring up the past history of the british empire however it’s also important to consider all the other kids imperialist  ideas floating around even today.

23scidoo said:

Cropduster-80 said:

23scidoo said:

She could save him..she didn't..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evagoras_Pallikarides

isn’t it a bit ironic that he wasn’t just fighting for independence but for an end to british rule so Greece could annex Cyprus? Isn’t  that just trading one imperial power for another?

there has been a lot of imperialism historically on the part of Greece as well. Some factions even support reconstituting parts the Byzantine empire based on past territorial claims by Greece.  Those ideas seem to come up anytime there is an opportunity to expand. Cyprus being a somewhat recent example.

In 1974  Greece was still trying to overthrow the government of independent Cyprus 

golden dawn today supports the concept of “the Megali Idea”, which in practice is basically what Russia is actually doing with former Russian lands.  For example, if you speak Russian, and Russia use to control it then Russia is entitled to control it today.  It’s imperialist ideology no question 

the death of the queen undoubtedly will bring up the past history of the british empire however it’s also important to consider all the other kids imperialist  ideas floating around even today.

And also, when the invasion in Cyprus happend, there was dictatorship in Greece..